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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 16, 2017 8:21:27 GMT
I would say it has to earn at least $1.2B to be considered a success, and it has to achieve that in 4 weeks before STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI arrives.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 16, 2017 11:56:13 GMT
It also has to earn critical respect. With people not really liking the previous movies it has a hill to climb. Especially with the trailer looking unfinished (they could have at least finished those shots for the trailer). Hopefully Wonder Woman softens the blow.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 16:18:32 GMT
It also has to earn critical respect. With people not really liking the previous movies it has a hill to climb. Especially with the trailer looking unfinished (they could have at least finished those shots for the trailer). Hopefully Wonder Woman softens the blow. I think this is a really key point and a valuable contribution. It can't just make money. BvS, all fanboy meltdowns aside, made some money for Warner. But as was astutely pointed out it was panned to an embarrassing degree in the process. I'm not saying it needs to garner over-the-moon, first- Avengers-level, like, UNIVERSAL PRAISE. But it cannot be, you know, a notorious turd according to critics/RT/whoever The Kids are listening to these days when it comes to movie picks or else the future of the DCEU could be in actual, serious jeopardy.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 16, 2017 18:24:31 GMT
It's not going to make $1.2 billion. At this point, making more than BvS would be considered a win.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 18:33:05 GMT
I don't see it making a billion (so maybe it will, pfft, what do I know?) but it's likely it will do fine. The real test is whether it's good or not. It cannot be OK either. I really think people get angrier when something is just alright because instead of outright good or bad.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 16, 2017 21:29:11 GMT
I don't see it making a billion (so maybe it will, pfft, what do I know?) but it's likely it will do fine. The real test is whether it's good or not. It cannot be OK either. I really think people get angrier when something is just alright because instead of outright good or bad. Would you agree, mon ami, that JL is the "do or die" of the DCEU?
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 21:43:08 GMT
Yes, should Wonder Woman prove a crushing disappointment.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 16, 2017 21:58:29 GMT
Yes, should Wonder Woman prove a crushing disappointment. I don't see Wonder Woman crushed tho. Look GoTG Vol 2 opens on May 5th, WW on June 2nd, and SM:HC on July 7th. These three CBMs open a month apart from each other and unless the movie really sucks it is poised to make some bank.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 23:11:08 GMT
Yes, should Wonder Woman prove a crushing disappointment. I don't see Wonder Woman crushed tho. Look GoTG Vol 2 opens on May 5th, WW on June 2nd, and SM:HC on July 7th. These three CBMs open a month apart from each other and unless the movie really sucks it is poised to make some bank. Oh I don't mean financially, I mean critically.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 16, 2017 23:18:02 GMT
I don't see Wonder Woman crushed tho. Look GoTG Vol 2 opens on May 5th, WW on June 2nd, and SM:HC on July 7th. These three CBMs open a month apart from each other and unless the movie really sucks it is poised to make some bank. Oh I don't mean financially, I mean critically. Fair enough. However, Suicide Squad was lambasted by the critics and it has become arguably the DCEU's best property as it will spawn two spin offs and a sequel.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 23:20:42 GMT
Oh I don't mean financially, I mean critically. Fair enough. However, Suicide Squad was lambasted by the critics and it has become arguably the DCEU's best property as it will spawn two spin offs and a sequel. That's true but it'd honestly be the final straw for me if Wonder Woman ends up same as SS or BVS.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 16, 2017 23:22:26 GMT
Fair enough. However, Suicide Squad was lambasted by the critics and it has become arguably the DCEU's best property as it will spawn two spin offs and a sequel. That's true but it'd honestly be the final straw for me if Wonder Woman ends up same as SS or BVS. I think it comes down to how "Snyder-ish" is Wonder Woman.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 23:27:14 GMT
That's true but it'd honestly be the final straw for me if Wonder Woman ends up same as SS or BVS. I think it comes down to how "Snyder-ish" is Wonder Woman. Wasn't Suicide Squad David Ayer's gig though?
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 16, 2017 23:38:49 GMT
I think it comes down to how "Snyder-ish" is Wonder Woman. Wasn't Suicide Squad David Ayer's gig though? It was, but you can tell Snyder had some input and after BvS failed so astoundingly some re-writes, cuts and re-shoots were made. The final product is not Ayer's baby.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 0:38:08 GMT
Well, first off, it needs to get the respect of its viewers and the DCEU needs to stop severely dividing the fandom. It doesn't need to be universally loved, but it does need to achieve "generally well-liked." If the majority of viewers enjoy the film, well, it's a Justice League film, the money and dollar signs will naturally follow.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 17, 2017 0:52:15 GMT
Well, first off, it needs to get the respect of its viewers and the DCEU needs to stop severely dividing the fandom. It doesn't need to be universally loved, but it does need to achieve "generally well-liked." If the majority of viewers enjoy the film, well, it's a Justice League film, the money and dollar signs will naturally follow. Agreed.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 17, 2017 3:11:02 GMT
Well, first off, it needs to get the respect of its viewers and the DCEU needs to stop severely dividing the fandom. It doesn't need to be universally loved, but it does need to achieve "generally well-liked." If the majority of viewers enjoy the film, well, it's a Justice League film, the money and dollar signs will naturally follow. You took the words right out of my mouth. No one respects DC yet, because they seem to be shamelessly going through the motions with making cash-grab setup movies. I liked BvS to an extent, but even I can admit that it was overstuffed and needed to make itself good, not setup future movies. DC needs to buckle down and make a movie worthy of the fan's respect, then financial and critical success is sure to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 4:01:26 GMT
Well, first off, it needs to get the respect of its viewers and the DCEU needs to stop severely dividing the fandom. It doesn't need to be universally loved, but it does need to achieve "generally well-liked." If the majority of viewers enjoy the film, well, it's a Justice League film, the money and dollar signs will naturally follow. You took the words right out of my mouth. No one respects DC yet, because they seem to be shamelessly going through the motions with making cash-grab setup movies. I liked BvS to an extent, but even I can admit that it was overstuffed and needed to make itself good, not setup future movies. DC needs to buckle down and make a movie worthy of the fan's respect, then financial and critical success is sure to follow. The most infuriating thing is that they seem to want to copy Marvel, but they didn't learn from the MCU's earliest successes and speed-bumps.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 17, 2017 4:12:47 GMT
You took the words right out of my mouth. No one respects DC yet, because they seem to be shamelessly going through the motions with making cash-grab setup movies. I liked BvS to an extent, but even I can admit that it was overstuffed and needed to make itself good, not setup future movies. DC needs to buckle down and make a movie worthy of the fan's respect, then financial and critical success is sure to follow. The most infuriating thing is that they seem to want to copy Marvel, but they didn't learn from the MCU's earliest successes and speed-bumps. I agree. They had several years to look at Marvel and see what worked and what didn't. All they had to do was use the template set by Marvel, then put their own creative twist on it. Somehow they couldn't do that. I am still a supporter of DC and I liked both MoS and BvS, but if Suicide Squad is any indication of the road the franchise is taking, then it's rough days ahead. SS was such a shameless rip-off of Guardians of the Galaxy. Not even a good one either. I would've preferred a dark movie with a focus on character. Instead we got a Marvel movie flipped on its side, put in a blender, then digested by studio executives and crapped into the theater. At least BvS had an independent spirit and a sense of self-respect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 4:52:25 GMT
The most infuriating thing is that they seem to want to copy Marvel, but they didn't learn from the MCU's earliest successes and speed-bumps. I agree. They had several years to look at Marvel and see what worked and what didn't. All they had to do was use the template set by Marvel, then put their own creative twist on it. Somehow they couldn't do that. I am still a supporter of DC and I liked both MoS and BvS, but if Suicide Squad is any indication of the road the franchise is taking, then it's rough days ahead. SS was such a shameless rip-off of Guardians of the Galaxy. Not even a good one either. I would've preferred a dark movie with a focus on character. Instead we got a Marvel movie flipped on its side, put in a blender, then digested by studio executives and crapped into the theater. At least BvS had an independent spirit and a sense of self-respect. Hilariously, the mistakes Marvel made aren't hard to understand. Any prospective cinematic universe needn't look any further than the way Ironman 1 was made as opposed to how Ironman 2 was made. Ironman 1: 99.9% its own thing with the .1% being a Samuel L. Jackson cameo. Considered a modern classic in the genre. Ironman 2: all kinds of Avengers advertising and foreshadowing shoved into it and actively competing for screentime with the main plot. Considered one of the weakest entries in the series. While it's not a generally hated movie, they actually listened to the feedback, and with the exception of Thor: The Dark World, have avoided the mistakes they made with Ironman 2 ever since.
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