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Post by chatterer on Apr 17, 2017 12:19:10 GMT
It's not going to make $1.2 billion. At this point, making more than BvS would be considered a win. True. The way I see it as long as WW and JL make a joint 1.5-1.6b. The DCEU will keep marching on. I don't see JL as the do or die if it doesn't hit 1b.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 17, 2017 15:52:28 GMT
Oh I don't mean financially, I mean critically. Fair enough. However, Suicide Squad was lambasted by the critics and it has become arguably the DCEU's best property as it will spawn two spin offs and a sequel. I think that mostly comes from the character (Harley Quinn) and the star (Will Smith). If that was Poison Ivy in place of Harley they wouldn't be trying to push a Poison Ivy led movie. I mean, you can say the same thing about BvS. It's spawning 3 spin-offs with The Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 17, 2017 15:57:48 GMT
It also has to earn critical respect. With people not really liking the previous movies it has a hill to climb. Especially with the trailer looking unfinished (they could have at least finished those shots for the trailer). Hopefully Wonder Woman softens the blow. I think this is a really key point and a valuable contribution. It can't just make money. BvS, all fanboy meltdowns aside, made some money for Warner. But as was astutely pointed out it was panned to an embarrassing degree in the process. I'm not saying it needs to garner over-the-moon, first- Avengers-level, like, UNIVERSAL PRAISE. But it cannot be, you know, a notorious turd according to critics/RT/whoever The Kids are listening to these days when it comes to movie picks or else the future of the DCEU could be in actual, serious jeopardy. I think it might be in jeopardy as it is now. I can see them continuing with where they are going, but with a new team. Hopefully they don't try to do some kind of Crisis-type event to reboot the movies. That will come off a little too X-men-ish.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 19, 2017 19:41:11 GMT
Fair enough. However, Suicide Squad was lambasted by the critics and it has become arguably the DCEU's best property as it will spawn two spin offs and a sequel. I think that mostly comes from the character (Harley Quinn) and the star (Will Smith). If that was Poison Ivy in place of Harley they wouldn't be trying to push a Poison Ivy led movie. I mean, you can say the same thing about BvS. It's spawning 3 spin-offs with The Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Agreed, but the BvS sequels and spin-offs were already planned before it opened in theaters. Shit, some were even filming at the time. Suicide Squad 2, Gotham City Sirens, Deadshot (stupidest idea since Cyborg) are the last attempt of dying company. It feels lie Monthy Python's black knight still fighting after three of limbs have been removed. If Wonder Woman and Justice league fail, tho? Bye-bye to the DCEU... for a few years.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 19, 2017 23:47:14 GMT
I think that mostly comes from the character (Harley Quinn) and the star (Will Smith). If that was Poison Ivy in place of Harley they wouldn't be trying to push a Poison Ivy led movie. I mean, you can say the same thing about BvS. It's spawning 3 spin-offs with The Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Agreed, but the BvS sequels and spin-offs were already planned before it opened in theaters. Shit, some were even filming at the time. Suicide Squad 2, Gotham City Sirens, Deadshot (stupidest idea since Cyborg) are the last attempt of dying company. It feels lie Monthy Python's black knight still fighting after three of limbs have been removed. If Wonder Woman and Justice league fail, tho? Bye-bye to the DCEU... for a few years. Yeah, I think they'd just scrap the shared universe. Stuff like Green Lantern and Jonah Hex. That is until they figure out why Marvel is doing so well and they can't get a foothold. Or maybe make single character shared universes. A bunch of movies about the Batfamily. Another set of movies about Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, etc. Sounds like they are already doing that with the Batfamily.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 20, 2017 0:59:25 GMT
Agreed, but the BvS sequels and spin-offs were already planned before it opened in theaters. Shit, some were even filming at the time. Suicide Squad 2, Gotham City Sirens, Deadshot (stupidest idea since Cyborg) are the last attempt of dying company. It feels lie Monthy Python's black knight still fighting after three of limbs have been removed. If Wonder Woman and Justice league fail, tho? Bye-bye to the DCEU... for a few years. Yeah, I think they'd just scrap the shared universe. Stuff like Green Lantern and Jonah Hex. That is until they figure out why Marvel is doing so well and they can't get a foothold. Or maybe make single character shared universes. A bunch of movies about the Batfamily. Another set of movies about Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, etc. Sounds like they are already doing that with the Batfamily. Batman is their cash-cow, and it's maybe that's the ONLY property they know how to make work. The problem with the DCEU is they take themselves too seriously, while they make a gritty Superman and fail amazingly Marvel makes a movie with a walking tree and a gun wielding raccoon a success. How can they not get it? Specially when you consider that the CW shows like The Flash, Supergirl, Arrow do not take themselves too serious and they are huge successes.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 20, 2017 1:37:29 GMT
Yeah, I think they'd just scrap the shared universe. Stuff like Green Lantern and Jonah Hex. That is until they figure out why Marvel is doing so well and they can't get a foothold. Or maybe make single character shared universes. A bunch of movies about the Batfamily. Another set of movies about Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, etc. Sounds like they are already doing that with the Batfamily. Batman is their cash-cow, and it's maybe that's the ONLY property they know how to make work. The problem with the DCEU is they take themselves too seriously, while they make a gritty Superman and fail amazingly Marvel makes a movie with a walking tree and a gun wielding raccoon a success. How can they not get it? Specially when you consider that the CW shows like The Flash, Supergirl, Arrow do not take themselves too serious and they are huge successes. It's because DC is actively trying to make movies different from the MCU while at the same time trying to copy them. They aren't making movies for their characters, rather making an atmosphere that is different from the competition and a disservice to their characters. Marvel found this happy medium where all their characters can live. While DC went dark and hoped that Nolan's feel would translate over.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 20, 2017 1:44:32 GMT
Batman is their cash-cow, and it's maybe that's the ONLY property they know how to make work. The problem with the DCEU is they take themselves too seriously, while they make a gritty Superman and fail amazingly Marvel makes a movie with a walking tree and a gun wielding raccoon a success. How can they not get it? Specially when you consider that the CW shows like The Flash, Supergirl, Arrow do not take themselves too serious and they are huge successes. It's because DC is actively trying to make movies different from the MCU while at the same time trying to copy them. They aren't making movies for their characters, rather making an atmosphere that is different from the competition and a disservice to their characters. Marvel found this happy medium where all their characters can live. While DC went dark and hoped that Nolan's feel would translate over. And they are getting praises from the audience with the CW shows. But Snyder is one depressed fuck up. DC is going dark JUST to go dark and while this works for Batman you can't make Superman dark. Superman should fly under blue skies, not gray ones
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Post by primeone on Apr 20, 2017 2:25:33 GMT
A billion?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 2:58:59 GMT
It's because DC is actively trying to make movies different from the MCU while at the same time trying to copy them. They aren't making movies for their characters, rather making an atmosphere that is different from the competition and a disservice to their characters. Marvel found this happy medium where all their characters can live. While DC went dark and hoped that Nolan's feel would translate over. And they are getting praises from the audience with the CW shows. But Snyder is one depressed fuck up. DC is going dark JUST to go dark and while this works for Batman you can't make Superman dark. Superman should fly under blue skies, not gray ones THANK YOU!!
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 20, 2017 3:18:15 GMT
And they are getting praises from the audience with the CW shows. But Snyder is one depressed fuck up. DC is going dark JUST to go dark and while this works for Batman you can't make Superman dark. Superman should fly under blue skies, not gray ones THANK YOU!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 4:04:32 GMT
Someone needed to say it. Superman should be flying under blue skies, indeed.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 20, 2017 4:33:12 GMT
Someone needed to say it. Superman should be flying under blue skies, indeed. It's such a shame that a TV show has a better version of Superman than the multi million dollar movies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 5:18:33 GMT
Someone needed to say it. Superman should be flying under blue skies, indeed. It's such a shame that a TV show has a better version of Superman than the multi million dollar movies. Yep. Why anyone likes the DCEU eludes me. The colorless color schemes, characters being crude mockeries of themsleves, heroes not acting like heroes or even being remotely interested in helping people, oh, and mentor figures who would rather see entire bus fulls of children drown in the name of protecting a secret.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 20, 2017 6:00:06 GMT
It's such a shame that a TV show has a better version of Superman than the multi million dollar movies. Yep. Why anyone likes the DCEU eludes me. The colorless color schemes, characters being crude mockeries of themsleves, heroes not acting like heroes or even being remotely interested in helping people, oh, and mentor figures who would rather see entire bus fulls of children drown in the name of protecting a secret. They're focusing too much on copying Marvel and their success, without realizing they're fucking up their own characters. See, Marvel heroes are incredibly easy to relate to because most of them are not real heroes. Most of them are very flawed, emotional unstable, despicable even individuals who just so happen to come thru in humanity's darkest hour which turns them into heroes, THAT is why Marvel's characters are more popular, they are humans trying to be something else. DC's characters are the opposite, they are gods trying to be human, superheroes trying to find the humanity in them, and CW's Supergirl has that formula down to a fucking tee. But the DCEU? They basically turned Batman into the fucking Punisher in BvS, and that is NOT Batman in the slightest. One of the reasons why Nolan's Batman was so popular is because his "no killing rule" was developed beautifully in those films.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 7:06:34 GMT
Yep. Why anyone likes the DCEU eludes me. The colorless color schemes, characters being crude mockeries of themsleves, heroes not acting like heroes or even being remotely interested in helping people, oh, and mentor figures who would rather see entire bus fulls of children drown in the name of protecting a secret. They're focusing too much on copying Marvel and their success, without realizing they're fucking up their own characters. See, Marvel heroes are incredibly easy to relate to because most of them are not real heroes. Most of them are very flawed, emotional unstable, despicable even individuals who just so happen to come thru in humanity's darkest hour which turns them into heroes, THAT is why Marvel's characters are more popular, they are humans trying to be something else. DC's characters are the opposite, they are gods trying to be human, superheroes trying to find the humanity in them, and CW's Supergirl has that formula down to a fucking tee. But the DCEU? They basically turned Batman into the fucking Punisher in BvS, and that is NOT Batman in the slightest. One of the reasons why Nolan's Batman was so popular is because his "no killing rule" was developed beautifully in those films. Hear hear! What's hilarious is that the DC has every reason to succeed and no excuse to fail.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 20, 2017 7:30:41 GMT
They're focusing too much on copying Marvel and their success, without realizing they're fucking up their own characters. See, Marvel heroes are incredibly easy to relate to because most of them are not real heroes. Most of them are very flawed, emotional unstable, despicable even individuals who just so happen to come thru in humanity's darkest hour which turns them into heroes, THAT is why Marvel's characters are more popular, they are humans trying to be something else. DC's characters are the opposite, they are gods trying to be human, superheroes trying to find the humanity in them, and CW's Supergirl has that formula down to a fucking tee. But the DCEU? They basically turned Batman into the fucking Punisher in BvS, and that is NOT Batman in the slightest. One of the reasons why Nolan's Batman was so popular is because his "no killing rule" was developed beautifully in those films. Hear hear! What's hilarious is that the DC has every reason to succeed and no excuse to fail. They have almost 80 years of reasons why Superman is still popular and they're too stupid to understand him. They will end up doing what neither Luthor nor Brainiac ever could, they will permanently KILL Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 18:09:42 GMT
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 20, 2017 19:49:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 20:13:51 GMT
And everything is such an easy fix. Have the Wonder Woman and Aquaman movies out in 2014 and 2015, getting rid of the need to force intros for two of the heroes into BvS. No redo of the Waynes being killed again. Replace that with scenes Bruce going over the carnage wrought by the God-level stuff going on in MoS, WW, and Aquaman. That way he has a better excuse for being cynical of these Metahman by noticing a pattern emerging in incidents where they've involved and we're spared lame Cheneyisms. No Lex Luthor manipulating the scenario. No "vs.". Call it Batman and Superman, and while they got off on the wrong foot, they don't fight, and eventually come to an understanding, AND NOT BECAUSE OF MARTHA! Bats and Supes come together, overcome their issues with each other, and beat the bad guy together, but uncover that there's something even more sinister at work in the process, ending the film with Superman turning Batman, and saying, "We need help." Oh, NO DOOMSDAY. NO PREMATURE DEATH OF SUPERMAN.
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