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Post by spiderwort on Oct 13, 2019 2:24:49 GMT
Screwball comedies were one of the staples of the 1930s/1940s in Hollywood, a great genre, and a wonderful antidote to the woes of the Great Depression and World War II. (The style, of course, carried over into the 1950s and 60s, especially in Billy Wilder films, but they flooded the screen in the two earlier decades.) There are so many that are great and that I love, but I even love so many of the silly ones (and there are many of those). A few of my favorites for starters, all from the earlier era: Frank Capra's, IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934), Haward Hawks' HIS GIRL FRIDAY (1940), and Preston Sturges SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS (1941).
Lots of fun, all of these.
Btw, I may not be able to respond right away, but I will as soon as I can.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 13, 2019 2:35:19 GMT
MY MAN GODFREY"A scatterbrained socialite hires a vagrant as a family butler - but there's more to Godfrey than meets the eye."
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Post by petrolino on Oct 13, 2019 2:40:01 GMT
I love screwball comedies. Like the western and the musical, this distinct comedy subgenre is one of America's many great cinematic gifts to the world.
But I really just wanted to say I believe all three of those films in your title post to be absolutely brilliant, by any critical standard, or by measure anybody cares to mention ... I feel they are that good.
My favourite current mainstream performer, Anna Kendrick, is slightly obsessed with 'His Girl Friday', as was Jennifer Jason Leigh before her. I totally understand the sentiment.
'It Happened One Night'
'His Girl Friday'
'Sullivan's Travels'
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 13, 2019 2:41:27 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 13, 2019 3:05:20 GMT
A MUST SEE film ! YOU CAN'T TEKE IT WITH YOU (1938)"A man from a family of rich snobs becomes engaged to a woman from a good-natured but decidedly eccentric family." Dub Taylor and Ann Miller - Dub's debut film.. he was hired because he could play the xylophone ! Ann Miller was only 15 years old
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Post by petrolino on Oct 13, 2019 3:10:15 GMT
A MUST SEE film ! YOU CAN'T TEKE IT WITH YOU (1938)"A man from a family of rich snobs becomes engaged to a woman from a good-natured but decidedly eccentric family." Dub Taylor and Ann Miller - Dub's debut films.. he was hired because he could play the xylophone !
This difficult playlet taught us so much growing up. It's my first memory that unchecked, unfettered capitalism could be just as cruel, greedy and destructive as unchecked, unfettered communism. And besides, "we're a short time living, a long time dead".
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 13, 2019 14:06:42 GMT
MY MAN GODFREY"A scatterbrained socialite hires a vagrant as a family butler - but there's more to Godfrey than meets the eye."
I can't be certain, bat, but I think this may have been the first screwball comedy I remember seeing, on television when I was a young teenager. It packed a wallop then, and I still love it to this day. And once I gained some historical perspective, I realized the significance of the fact that it was one of the few comedies of that era that actually addressed the Depression and its impact on the people. It will always be a milestone in that way, but it's also just one of the best screwball comedies ever made.
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 13, 2019 14:09:29 GMT
I love screwball comedies. Like the western and the musical, this distinct comedy subgenre is one of America's many great cinematic gifts to the world.
But I really just wanted to say I believe all three of those films in your title post to be absolutely brilliant, by any critical standard, or by measure anybody cares to mention ... I feel they are that good.
My favourite current mainstream performer, Anna Kendrick, is slightly obsessed with 'His Girl Friday', as was Jennifer Jason Leigh before her. I totally understand the sentiment.
'It Happened One Night'
'His Girl Friday'
'Sullivan's Travels'
Thanks for the great post, petrolino. I always appreciate your broad and thoughtful perspectives. (And I, too, believe the three films I listed first are among the best of all time. I'm glad you agree - though I suspect most everyone would).
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 13, 2019 14:14:11 GMT
Bringing Up Baby (1938) directed by Howard Hawks. Love this film, mike. I love HIS GIRL FRIDAY more, but BRINGING UP BABY is also a real joy. I love its slapstick qualities, and, of course, I love "Baby," too. God bless Howard Hawks for having the genius to make both at a time when America needed as much humor as it could find.
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 13, 2019 14:25:54 GMT
This difficult playlet taught us so much growing up. It's my first memory that unchecked, unfettered capitalism could be just as cruel, greedy and destructive as unchecked, unfettered communism. And besides, "we're a short time living, a long time dead".
Beautifully said, petrolino. And I think I would have to agree - maybe; there might be others I've seen from those days that came close to that, though not necessarily in comedic form (AMERICAN MADNESS, maybe?). And, as I said to Bat, I do think there's a bit of that in MY MAN GODFREY, though not exactly in the same way; actually, maybe in the opposite way now that I think of it, in terms of Godfrey's essential goodness. Anyway, any films from that era that actually dealt with the struggles people were enduring at that time are important, I think, because they weren't that common, especially in comedies.
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Post by koskiewicz on Oct 13, 2019 15:19:39 GMT
International House
You Can't Take it With You (BAT beat me to it)
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Oct 14, 2019 11:29:17 GMT
I thought Sullivan's Travels was a pretty serious film.
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 14, 2019 13:20:52 GMT
I thought Sullivan's Travels was a pretty serious film.
Yes, a very serious film thematically, but one that was told in a very funny way, in my opinion anyway.
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Post by jervistetch on Oct 14, 2019 15:03:48 GMT
Another film from Preston Sturges and one of my favorites.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 14, 2019 19:18:50 GMT
RE: Sullivan's Travels am voting for Not a screwball comedy. It's just too serious and only the beginning is even remotely "screwballish". a MODERN Screwball classic (imo) is
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 14, 2019 19:37:43 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 14, 2019 19:42:52 GMT
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Post by london777 on Oct 15, 2019 7:41:23 GMT
May I put in a recommendation for Out of the Blue (1947) dir: Leigh Jason and starring Virginia Mayo, George Brent and Turhan Bey. Ann Dvorak has an amusing supporting role, Carole Landis a forgettable one. It is a short, sharp and unpretentious screwball/French farce in the spirit of the 1930s originals, but I doubt if many here have seen it. It is available on YouTube.
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Post by marshamae on Oct 15, 2019 14:00:00 GMT
The Awful Truth My Favorite Wife Love Crazy Libeled Lady Julia Misbehaves
Holiday?
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Post by Doghouse6 on Oct 15, 2019 14:34:46 GMT
As a style and/or a genre (whichever or both), screwball comedy may be nearly as hard to nail down as film noir. Observers can pretty much claim it where they find it. Or not.
For instance, It Happened One Night, while incorporating certain archetypes of the form in both character and situation, has never felt much like screwball to me. It's a romantic comedy as well as what we now call a road picture, but lacks the overall qualities of zany farce I associate with the screwball designation - comic misunderstandings, deceptions, eccentricities and the outlandish predicaments and frantic scrambling and battles they bring about - present in examples on which there's consensus: Twentieth Century; My Man Godfrey; The Awful Truth; Easy Living; Bringing Up Baby; Midnight; My Favorite Wife; The Lady Eve; The Palm Beach Story and others.
With the last two in mind, the participation of writer-director Preston Sturges put them in a class by themselves, in the same way that Psycho and Close Encounters are Hitchcock and Spielberg pictures first, and horror and sci-fi ones second. LaCava, Hawks, Leisen, Stevens, Van Dyke and other directors could do screwball, but only Sturges could do Sturges. Calling them screwball seems almost redundant. Something similar might be said for Lubitsch; civilized delicacy took the place of Sturges's antic lunacy in pictures like Trouble In Paradise, Ninotchka and To Be Or Not To Be, but their premises and atmospheres fill the screwball bill. Just the same, there's something in "the Lubitsch touch" that puts them on another plane. These two were following creative sensibilities that were entirely their own and had nothing to do with styles or trends observed by others.
There's an element of screwball in the Powell/Loy Thin Man pictures, but they're whodunits before anything else. For purer examples featuring the pair, you have to go to Libeled Lady, Double Wedding, I Love You Again or Love Crazy. Most of the Astaire/Rogers films employ some screwball, but are musicals first. And whither the Hope/Crosby films? There's even a talking camel in Road To Morocco who remarks, "This is the screwiest picture I was ever in." But do their unrestrained farce and fourth-wall-breaking gags put them in a place all their own, in much the same way as Marx Bros. pictures were?
However one defines it and whichever pictures qualify, the screwball comedy, with its parade of madcap heiresses, befuddled leading men, runaway brides, families of eccentrics, masquerades, romantic rivalries and marital mix-ups, seemed firmly rooted in the '30s - '40s, in spite of occasional revisitations in the '50s like Monkey Business, It Should Happen To You or Designing Woman (which overlaid screwball elements onto the Woman Of the Year template).
Until...Doris Day.
With a series of late-50s - early '60s comedies with Rock Hudson, James Garner and (yes) Cary Grant, Day almost single-handedly revived screwball. Pillow Talk, Lover Come Back, That Touch Of Mink, The Thrill Of It All and Send Me No Flowers match any of their forebears for zany complications and wacky supporting characters, and it's arguable that her My Favorite Wife remake Move Over Darling out-screwballed its predecessor. By then, even Howard Hawks could once again cast his line into Lake Screwball with another Bringing Up Baby revival, Man's Favorite Sport?, in which Hudson takes Cary Grant's place, brilliantly lampooning his romantically macho image with comic exasperation and ineptitude, and the droll Paula Prentiss ably filling scatterbrained Katherine Hepburn's shoes to innocently incite mayhem.
There then followed an updated resurgence, with Day, Hudson, Garner and others carrying on without one another in films such as The Glass Bottom Boat, Strange Bedfellows, The Art Of Love and the likes of Tony Curtis, Natalie Wood, Dean Martin, Shirley MacLain or newer faces like Stella Stevens jumping in with impersonations, misunderstandings and kooky situations in Sex and the Single Girl, What A Way To Go, How To Save A Marriage and others. Even Cary Grant opted to bid farewell to the screen with Walk Don't Run, which outdid its antecedent The More the Merrier in the zany department. Neil Simon's Barefoot In the Park the following year owed a great deal to the screwballs of yore, and Garner's Support Your Local Sheriff was a successful experiment in sprinkling screwball ingredients along the dusty streets of the Old West.
After Peter Bogdanovich attempted to have the last word with his all-stops-out homage What's Up Doc?, there nevertheless continued a series of rom-com romps through the '70s, '80s and beyond as succeeding generations gave way to still later ones, and they've all carried some of the Grant, Powell, Fred MacMurray, Irene Dunne, Jean Arthur, Ray Milland, Claudette Colbert, Rosalind Russell, Carole Lombard, Ralph Bellamy, Brian Aherne, Melvyn Douglas, Eve Arden, Jack Carson, Gail Patrick, Walter Connelly, Eugene Pallette, S.Z. Sakall, Mischa Auer and too-many-more-to-name DNA.
And that kinda rhymes with "essay," which I've done again without having any such intentions. It just sort of snowballed, like the complications in a screwball comedy. But without the laughs.
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