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Post by miike80 on Nov 2, 2019 16:14:26 GMT
Remember when Tim Miller said this movie will scare the f out of mysoginsts and internet trolls? Apparently it scared everybody if we are looking at the BO numbers.
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Post by Proud MGTOW on Nov 2, 2019 17:40:54 GMT
Well this gives me another reason to stop taking Rotten Tomatoes seriously. Seems to me critics are more concerned with a film's "wokeness" than whether or not it's actually good.
As further proof, just look at the negative reviews of "Joker." You know damn well they would have been glowingly positive reviews if the main character was female, black, Muslim, or an illegal immigrant.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 2, 2019 20:09:48 GMT
Well this gives me another reason to stop taking Rotten Tomatoes seriously. Seems to me critics are more concerned with a film's "wokeness" than whether or not it's actually good. As further proof, just look at the negative reviews of "Joker." You know damn well they would have been glowingly positive reviews if the main character was female, black, Muslim, or an illegal immigrant. One of the 4 rotten reviews for the Irishman states that it's great in terms of acting, writing and directing. Want to know why it's rotten? Because it misses the chance to include more women. I'm not even joking |
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Post by mecano04 on Nov 3, 2019 1:56:18 GMT
The action was nice and at times the visuals were great but otherwise it has very little to offer. 6/10. Remember when Cameron complained that they killed Newt in Alien3? And Newt wasn't that important character as John Connor is. They kinda made the first two movies pointless.Kinda like Rise of Skywalker makes the ending of Jedi useless. Those two sissies did not kill Palpatine, Rey will show them how it's done. While I agree that John is more important compared to Newt, I didn't mind that he got killed .
My issue is pretty much in line what @holidayhobo said, which is the fact that they got rid of him and Skynet just to replace both with copies . Had they made actual twists it could have been better but they simply went:
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And that was for the big things, otherwise, we've seen it all at some point already.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 3, 2019 13:58:53 GMT
So I heard that it went full Alien 3? That’d win back the fans. Newt and Hicks were NEVER as important as John Connor. The anger over their death never made much sense and was nothing more than people being emotional.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 3, 2019 14:18:37 GMT
Well this gives me another reason to stop taking Rotten Tomatoes seriously. Seems to me critics are more concerned with a film's "wokeness" than whether or not it's actually good. As further proof, just look at the negative reviews of "Joker." You know damn well they would have been glowingly positive reviews if the main character was female, black, Muslim, or an illegal immigrant.Like this? imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/194960/why-liberals-scoff-notion
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 3, 2019 14:49:05 GMT
Well this gives me another reason to stop taking Rotten Tomatoes seriously. Seems to me critics are more concerned with a film's "wokeness" than whether or not it's actually good. As further proof, just look at the negative reviews of "Joker." You know damn well they would have been glowingly positive reviews if the main character was female, black, Muslim, or an illegal immigrant. One of the 4 rotten reviews for the Irishman states that it's great in terms of acting, writing and directing. Want to know why it's rotten? Because it misses the chance to include more women. I'm not even joking That is pathetic.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 3, 2019 15:18:08 GMT
it was ok. 6.5/10 is about right. Linda Hamilton is amazing, Arnold is funny, Davis is a great actress as always,the rest is less interesting . Cant help but wonder how would the movie looked if the feminist propaganda wasnt at its front and center. It was cringy/cheesy because of it at times. too bad. I haven't seen yet Nora, but am looking forward to it. I accept the girl power in the second and third Terminator films, as that is how the story developed and we had an awesome badass female terminator in the 3rd installment, which I really like. Hamilton had to be tough and worked at it and was believable. I accept this as part of the franchise development and story. What do you feel is feminist propaganda per se about this new one? Is it trying to hit the audience over the head with a sledgehammer with it? If I had to put it into words - and I have had trouble describing the difference - yeah, that's how I'd put it. Not only was nobody was bothered by Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley back when the characters were created and at their peak popularity wise, they were very well-liked characters. Hell, even with T3 being received with a mixed-to-negative reception, it was the same thing. So what? The new Terminator was female. No one cared. Battlestar Galactica 04 was the same thing when they turned Starbuck and Boomer into women. And we all know the horror genre has a long history with female leads. These characters simply existed. They were tough women, but didn't walk around saying they were tough women. And I think that's the difference with these characters today. They don't simply exist. They are constantly telling us they are badass because they are women. It's so in-your-face, preachy - to the point of being cringe-worthy, and the opposite of what makes a real strong female lead so popular.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 3, 2019 20:49:57 GMT
Remember when Tim Miller said this movie will scare the f out of mysoginsts and internet trolls? Apparently it scared everybody if we are looking at the BO numbers. I remember when I said that Miller directing this movie was so much better than Cameron... Seems I was very wrong. |
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Post by Caesium137 on Nov 4, 2019 0:18:14 GMT
I will repost my review here but its also on the other Dark Fate big hit thread.
The movie was utter trash for me. Its a remake of T2 (which is why all the Force Awakens comparisons from critics). No hint of originality or creativity to it, just recycling the same tropes and plot beats as before. No wonder Fox has been sold, theyve butchered all recent entries in the Alien, Die Hard, X-Men, Predator and now Terminator franchise.
The lead female cyborg has zero charisma, charm or likeability. Too try hardy to put across the strong female lead image but with a hollow personality (Captain Marvel cough cough). The Rev9 villain looks as intimidating as a domesticated cat with a halloween mask on. The girl they are trying to save I couldnt give 2 f's about. Again, zero screen presence and below bar acting - no where near as memorable as John Connor in T2. The film picks up when Arnie gets screentime but hes not enough to save it. I hope this crashses and burnz at the box office.
4/10
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 5, 2019 16:47:55 GMT
If I had to put it into words - and I have had trouble described the difference - yeah, that's how I'd put it. Not only was nobody was bothered by Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley back when the characters were created and at their peak popularity wise, they were very well-liked characters. Hell, even with T3 being received with a mixed-to-negative reception, it was the same thing. So what? The new Terminator was female. No one cared. Battlestar Galactica 04 was the same thing when they turned Starbuck and Boomer into women. And we all know the horror genre has a long history with female leads. These characters simply existed. They were tough women, but didn't walk around saying they were tough women. And I think that's the difference with these characters today. They don't simply exist. They are constantly telling us they are badass because they are women. It's so in-your-face, preachy - to the point of being cringe-worthy, and the opposite of what makes a real strong female lead so popular. So in other words, they are operating from an ego sense of not being real as just who they are, and letting it naturally flow out of the narrative, but have to be so darn aggressive and ferocious about being badass women, rather than just being badass women who can equally match the badass men and create no division.
I know with Aliens and if I was in that situation, I would have wanted both Ripley and Vasquez on my side without a doubt, no more and no less than having one of male marines around. Gender was irrelevant. Heck even Starship Troopers got a nice blend of gender flux happening. It was all one and the same.
It's definitely not as organic.
Maybe I am different or maybe it was a different time, but I never cared that Ripley, Vasquez, The Cosby family, or Urkel and his neighbors didn't "Look like me". They were just characters I liked and/or admired.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Nov 5, 2019 16:59:40 GMT
mostly fanboy bloggers , not real critics yet
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Yeah the bizarre part -- Terminator: Dark Fate is Certified Fresh with audiences are critics alike, and is OVERWHELMING positive with BOTH groups according to RT. That doesn't make sense given how the film bombed at the box office and is getting a scathing response and negative attacks all over the internet. I could understand if it got a mildly "positive" critic score like 70% (with the consensus being "eh, not bad, vast improvement over T3-5) but had a dismal 12% positive score from audiences. That would be more reflective of the ACTUAL comments and ticket sales we're seeing.
As for Ghostbusters 2016, it surprised people that it got a mildly positive response from critics (74%) but it divided audiences completely, and is sitting at 50% on RT. Some people loved it, others utterly despised it, and were quite outspoken about hating it on RT. That's nowhere near as "positive" as Terminator: Dark Fate supposedly is with viewers. I don't know where all these happy audience reviews are coming from, because I haven't met anyone who loves the movie.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 6, 2019 12:36:48 GMT
Remember when Tim Miller said this movie will scare the f out of mysoginsts and internet trolls? Apparently it scared everybody if we are looking at the BO numbers. I remember when I said that Miller directing this movie was so much better than Cameron... Seems I was very wrong. I'm not a Tim Miller fan, but it's not a crazy statement. Cameron isn't a good director anymore.
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Post by scabab on Nov 6, 2019 14:21:29 GMT
Well I thought the movie was good. It's easily the best since T2. It feels like there's just this unfair stigma against the series now. Just because the first two were amazing doesn't mean this wasn't still good. There was a lot of entertaining action. They didn't overdo the comedy. Arnie was back to playing a cool and likeable Terminator, not the corny "Talk to the hand" or "Nice to meet you" one. Linda Hamilton was cool. Grace was surprisingly bad ass and more likeable than I had expected. The Rev-9 was the best antagonist since the T-1000. What more do people want from the series? Of course it follows the same story beats as the others. Most sequels follow the same story beats, people keep eating up these superhero movies and they are the same thing over and over again. I wasn't a fan of what they did with John Connor and Skynet but really what are they gonna do? If this had been made 20 years ago they could have gone with Edward Furlong but they can't exactly do that anymore. But this doesn't deserve to flop, it was a good solid action movie. |
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Post by Nora on Nov 6, 2019 16:46:14 GMT
it was ok. 6.5/10 is about right. Linda Hamilton is amazing, Arnold is funny, Davis is a great actress as always,the rest is less interesting . Cant help but wonder how would the movie looked if the feminist propaganda wasnt at its front and center. It was cringy/cheesy because of it at times. too bad. I haven't seen yet Nora, but am looking forward to it. I accept the girl power in the second and third Terminator films, as that is how the story developed and we had an awesome badass female terminator in the 3rd installment, which I really like. Hamilton had to be tough and worked at it and was believable. I accept this as part of the franchise development and story. What do you feel is feminist propaganda per se about this new one? Is it trying to hit the audience over the head with a sledge hammer with it? yes thats pretty much it. Wait until you see it then lets discuss more. I am all for female heroes and loved tha Sarah Connor returns here but the other two key roles being female felt very much driven by feminist agenda rather than writing and directing and thats what bugged me about it how obvious that was. |
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Post by Caesium137 on Nov 6, 2019 22:07:51 GMT
What more do people want from the series? To not desecrate the legacy and meaning of the first 2 movies. I have no idea how you can say it's "easily" better than Genysis when both this and Genysis try to make T1/T2 obsolete. It's bad and offensive fan fiction to kill off John Connor in the first 5 minutes and replace him with a crappy female character with zero personality and also get rid of Skynet, judgement day etc. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 6, 2019 22:28:20 GMT
To not desecrate the legacy and meaning of the first 2 movies. They didn't though. The series needed to continue and needed that plot device. They weren't about to bring Edward Furlong back into the role, he's in his mid 40's and he's a washed up junkie (sadly). The other option would have been to replace John Connors actor for the fourth time in a row. I'd rather Edward Furlongs John Connor be killed off than have that. If they hadn't got rid of Skynet then that would have desecrated the legacy of Terminator 2 even more because it would have meant everything they did was for nothing. Well it wasn't really for nothing, they did indeed stop Skynet and saved the world. It just meant that another AI took its place after because that's kind of how the world works. If one company doesn't make something, someone else will eventually. Of course this replacement didn't get made then there'd be no story to begin with.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Nov 12, 2019 17:27:06 GMT
It's easily the best since T2.
Same argument people use to defend Godzilla: King of the Monsters: "I don't understand the hate, it easily the BEST American Godzilla movie!!!!"
Except ALL the American Godzilla movies have been crap. Just like ALL the post T2 movies in the Terminator franchise have likewise been garbage.
Saying its "easily the best" of that putrid bunch is akin to saying "I don't get why people hate Police Academy 3: Back in Training. Its EASILY the best Police Academy sequel!"
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 12, 2019 20:19:15 GMT
I saw it, I liked it, best Terminator movie since T2, by far. But... too little, too late to save the franchise. It needs to rest for a nice long time.
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Post by scabab on Nov 12, 2019 21:39:34 GMT
Just like ALL the post T2 movies in the Terminator franchise have likewise been garbage. Terminator 3 was a solid action movie. Dark Fate even more so. Even Salvation wasn't garbage, it was just boring.
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