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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 24, 2020 7:12:44 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Jan 24, 2020 18:00:54 GMT
the concept art of JJ's film looked better also, concept art always looks better. How could Luke never died , did he not read RJ's script.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 24, 2020 18:43:25 GMT
did Colin address why Rey was so powerful, or we were to accept the force is female?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 24, 2020 20:28:21 GMT
(Keep in mind, in this version Luke never died and he is not a Force ghost) What are you talking about? According to your very link, and in every other source I've read about this script leak, Luke would have appeared throughout as a force ghost confronting Kylo Ren, just as Luke promised him at the end of TLJ. Everything about CT's script reads as a direct follow up and follow through to TLJ, and it was scrapped to make a feature lentgh TLJ retcon. So how were we denied this by RJ? We were denied this by RJ haters.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 24, 2020 20:31:59 GMT
We'll never know. No other version ever got past concept art stage. That's not a movie. That's just some pretty pictures that could have still added up to suck for all we know.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 24, 2020 20:54:39 GMT
Star Wars fans are so mad that they didn't get a chance to accuse Colin Trevorrow of ruining their childhoods and threaten to boycott his career.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 24, 2020 21:02:27 GMT
(Keep in mind, in this version Luke never died and he is not a Force ghost) What are you talking about? According to your very link, and in every other source I've read about this script leak, Luke would have appeared throughout as a force ghost confronting Kylo Ren, just as Luke promised him at the end of TLJ. Everything about CT's script reads as a direct follow up and follow through to TLJ, and it was scrapped to make a feature lentgh TLJ retcon. So how were we denied this by RJ? We were denied this by RJ haters. tros is not a retcon. Colin was fired before tlj was even out.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 24, 2020 21:08:42 GMT
What are you talking about? According to your very link, and in every other source I've read about this script leak, Luke would have appeared throughout as a force ghost confronting Kylo Ren, just as Luke promised him at the end of TLJ. Everything about CT's script reads as a direct follow up and follow through to TLJ, and it was scrapped to make a feature lentgh TLJ retcon. So how were we denied this by RJ? We were denied this by RJ haters. tros is not a retcon. Colin was fired before tlj was even out. I suggest you reread what I said
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Post by darkpast on Jan 24, 2020 21:09:12 GMT
What are you talking about? According to your very link, and in every other source I've read about this script leak, Luke would have appeared throughout as a force ghost confronting Kylo Ren, just as Luke promised him at the end of TLJ. Everything about CT's script reads as a direct follow up and follow through to TLJ, and it was scrapped to make a feature lentgh TLJ retcon. So how were we denied this by RJ? We were denied this by RJ haters. I suggest you reread what I said. we got a sequel to tlj and tfa, nothing in tros is a retcon
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 24, 2020 21:10:48 GMT
TLJ was awful but so was Jurassic World so I don't know that Trevorrow's SW film would've been an improvement over what we got.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 24, 2020 21:13:38 GMT
I suggest you reread what I said. we got a sequel to tlj and tfa, nothing in tros is a retcon Right. Whatever you want to call TRoS, Colin's original script was closer to RJ's ideas, thus I don't understand how we were "denied" this by RJ himself.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 24, 2020 21:23:56 GMT
we got a sequel to tlj and tfa, nothing in tros is a retcon Right. Whatever you want to call TRoS, Colin's original script was closer to RJ's ideas, thus I don't understand how we were "denied" this by RJ himself. RJ pretty much provided a clean slate for the next director, so I don't see Colin script closer to tlj
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 24, 2020 21:43:51 GMT
Right. Whatever you want to call TRoS, Colin's original script was closer to RJ's ideas, thus I don't understand how we were "denied" this by RJ himself. RJ pretty much provided a clean slate for the next director, so I don't see Colin script closer to tlj Kylo is still the main bad guy, as per RJ. Rey is still a nobody, as per RJ. Luke's spirit visits Kylo Ren, as per RJ. Rose is a main character, as per RJ. Etc.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 24, 2020 22:30:31 GMT
RJ pretty much provided a clean slate for the next director, so I don't see Colin script closer to tlj Kylo is still the main bad guy, as per RJ. Rey is still a nobody, as per RJ. Luke's spirit visits Kylo Ren, as per RJ. Rose is a main character, as per RJ. Etc. Bit of a stretch to call Rose a main character, supporting at best. RJ did not set up Luke to visit Kylo , cause Luke died, so i don't know his intention on Crate.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 24, 2020 22:43:01 GMT
(Keep in mind, in this version Luke never died and he is not a Force ghost) What are you talking about? According to your very link, and in every other source I've read about this script leak, Luke would have appeared throughout as a force ghost confronting Kylo Ren, just as Luke promised him at the end of TLJ. Everything about CT's script reads as a direct follow up and follow through to TLJ, and it was scrapped to make a feature lentgh TLJ retcon. So how were we denied this by RJ? We were denied this by RJ haters. Even though I do think Duel of the Fates sounds like it wouldโve been a better Episode IX than what he actually got, you canโt exactly blame RJ haters for this. Trevorrow left the project before TLJ was released.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 24, 2020 22:44:14 GMT
Kylo is still the main bad guy, as per RJ. Rey is still a nobody, as per RJ. Luke's spirit visits Kylo Ren, as per RJ. Rose is a main character, as per RJ. Etc. Bit of a stretch to call Rose a main character, supporting at best. RJ did not set up Luke to visit Kylo , cause Luke died, so i don't know his intention on Crate.ย "Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father" and "See you around kid" would kind of imply he's not just gonna fuck off completely. Rose is the fourth biggest protagonist by the end of TLJ, and the second one's love interest. How many times are you gonna split hairs and argue over semantics with me? Again, whatever you want to call her, TLJ would imply she'd have more than 70 seconds of screentime in the following movie.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 24, 2020 22:51:47 GMT
What are you talking about? According to your very link, and in every other source I've read about this script leak, Luke would have appeared throughout as a force ghost confronting Kylo Ren, just as Luke promised him at the end of TLJ. Everything about CT's script reads as a direct follow up and follow through to TLJ, and it was scrapped to make a feature lentgh TLJ retcon. So how were we denied this by RJ? We were denied this by RJ haters. Even though I do think Duel of the Fates sounds like it wouldโve been a better Episode IX than what he actually got, you canโt exactly blame RJ haters for this. Trevorrow left the project before TLJ was released.ย True, but I can blame RJ haters for said actual Episode IX. Nothing about Duel of the Fates contradicts TLJ either way, so again, not seeing how it's RJ's fault.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 24, 2020 22:53:14 GMT
"Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father" and "See you around kid" would kind of imply he's not just gonna fuck off completely. Rose is the fourth biggest protagonist by the end of TLJ, and the second one's love interest. How many times are you gonna split hairs and argue over senantics with me? Again, whatever you want to call her, TLJ would imply she'd have more than 70 seconds of screentime in the following movie. Expectations...subverted!
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Post by darkpast on Jan 24, 2020 22:54:49 GMT
Bit of a stretch to call Rose a main character, supporting at best. RJ did not set up Luke to visit Kylo , cause Luke died, so i don't know his intention on Crate. "Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father" and "See you around kid" would kind of imply he's not just gonna fuck off completely. Rose is the fourth biggest protagonist by the end of TLJ, and the second one's love interest. How many times are you gonna split hairs and argue over senantics with me? Again, whatever you want to call her, TLJ would imply she'd have more than 70 seconds of screentime in the following movie. Rose was an unimportant character. They were tying up the trilogy and had to trim the fat giving a more satisfying conclusion to Rey,Finn,Poe and Kylo. It probably didn't help that Rose was a divisive character and was a peg warmer. Maz was fairly important in TFA and reduced to cameo in TLJ, sometimes new creative decisions are for the best.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 24, 2020 23:10:25 GMT
Rose was an unimportant character. They were tying up the trilogy and had to trim the fat giving a more satisfying conclusion to Rey,Finn,Poe and Kylo. It probably didn't help that Rose was a divisive character and was a peg warmer. Maz was fairly important in TFA and reduced to cameo in TLJ, sometimes new creative decisions are for the best. That's a good point. Also the trilogy was started with Luke being reduced to a cameo in Episode 7 after being important for three movies. Also with Lando: Important for two movies, ignored for two, brought back for the final for those sweet, sweet member berries. Delicious! Hey, maybe Rose fans will get lucky. Maybe in 30 years, Disney will bring her back to suck on some alien milk, have her be pro-war, and discard her friends for nothing. Then they can hear a new generation of termites talk about how the character was, "Aways written that way" and how "Brave" the story telling was.
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