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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 9:10:26 GMT
This song may be the most analyzed song ever. I mean the one by Led Zeppelin, not the one by the O'Jays, in case that needs saying. I intend that this thread should go on for twenty pages, even if I have to do all twenty pages myself.
And if it gets bumped to the Music board I shall be very, very angry. Heaven. A stairway to Heaven. That alone makes it religious. And spiritual too.
Is it a Satanic song? Yes, I think it is, at least in part, but I'll explore that aspect later. For now let's kick it off with this.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 10:56:12 GMT
Let's get one thing straight right off the bat. Led Zeppelin did not steal the song from Spirit any more than Brian Haley stole his haircut from the aircraft carrier.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Jan 25, 2020 11:17:06 GMT
No they didn't steal the opening notes they simply borrowed them. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Seriously though it was determined in court in 2016 that they didn't. link=>
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 11:21:41 GMT
No they didn't steal the opening notes they simply borrowed them. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Seriously though it was determined in court in 2016 that they didn't. link=>I'd be interested to hear your thoughts in other such cases, most notably Vanilla Ice vs. Queen and David Bowie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 11:50:35 GMT
No, it's not a satanic song.
Plant said it's simply about “a woman getting everything she wanted without giving anything back. It's about materialism and greed”
No mumbo jumbo involved.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 25, 2020 11:52:48 GMT
I have never liked this song. Jut doesn't work for me.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 11:56:07 GMT
No, it's not a satanic song. Plant said it's simply about “a woman getting everything she wanted without giving anything back. It's about materialism and greed” No mumbo jumbo involved.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 11:59:46 GMT
I have never liked this song. Jut doesn't work for me. I'll search for a song that works for you, Aj. Try this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 12:00:31 GMT
No, it's not a satanic song. Plant said it's simply about “a woman getting everything she wanted without giving anything back. It's about materialism and greed” No mumbo jumbo involved. Why bother watching that... You're just looking for something that isn't there. There's a YouTube video for every half baked conspiracy theory out there.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 12:08:21 GMT
Why bother watching that... You're just looking for something that isn't there. There's a YouTube video for every half baked conspiracy out there. You know that Jimmy Page bought the Boleskine House, don't you? There were many houses he could have bought, but he bought that one. Probably nothing to it. Just half-baked conspiracy theory, yes?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 12:14:20 GMT
Why bother watching that... You're just looking for something that isn't there. There's a YouTube video for every half baked conspiracy out there. You know that Jimmy Page bought the Boleskine House, don't you? There were many houses he could have bought, but he bought that one. Probably nothing to it. Just half-baked conspiracy theory, yes? Page collected Crowley memorabilia... He never really spent any time at Boleskine House. And the thing about Crowley is, he was a complete crank.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 12:17:43 GMT
You know that Jimmy Page bought the Boleskine House, don't you? There were many houses he could have bought, but he bought that one. Probably nothing to it. Just half-baked conspiracy theory, yes? Page collected Crowley memorabilia... He never really spent any time at Boleskine House. And the thing about Crowley is, he was a complete crank. He got his picture on a Beatles album. That's more notoriety than you and I will probably ever achieve.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 12:19:59 GMT
Page collected Crowley memorabilia... He never really spent any time at Boleskine House. And the thing about Crowley is, he was a complete crank. He got his picture on a Beatles album. That's more notoriety than you and I will probably ever achieve. Notoriety yes, but a total loony fantasist.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 12:25:34 GMT
He got his picture on a Beatles album. That's more notoriety than you and I will probably ever achieve. Notoriety yes, but a total loony fantasist. I was reading the Wikipedia article about him recently, and it quoted him as saying that he hated Christianity like socialists hate soap. And I thought of my dear friend Ada (who was a socialist), and I wanted to say: Crowley's words, not mine.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 25, 2020 12:28:42 GMT
I have never liked this song. Jut doesn't work for me. I'll search for a song that works for you, Aj. Try this one. This is more like songs I like:
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 25, 2020 12:43:00 GMT
I'll search for a song that works for you, Aj. Try this one. This is more like songs I like: One of the most poignant Beatles anecdotes I heard was that Ravi Shankar was reluctant to teach George Harrison how to play the sitar because he thought it was just Beatles commercialism, but when he realized that Harrison really wanted to learn how to play it all changed, and Shankar taught Harrison how to play the instrument.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Jan 25, 2020 12:52:33 GMT
No they didn't steal the opening notes they simply borrowed them. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Seriously though it was determined in court in 2016 that they didn't. link=>I'd be interested to hear your thoughts in other such cases, most notably Vanilla Ice vs. Queen and David Bowie. Most modern music is influenced by music of the past but there's a big difference between being influenced and plagiarising. I'm not a big fan of the trend of 'sampling', if an artist can't produce music without ripping off another artist then they can't be all that talented, but if permission is given to use it then who am I to argue? I didn't know about the Vanilla Ice vs. Queen and David Bowie case until you mentioned it but I think that plagiarising spoils things for the fans. Edit: Btw, I don't think Stairway is a satanic song but I do think it's spiritual in its own way.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jan 25, 2020 17:34:13 GMT
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 25, 2020 23:51:16 GMT
I'm a huge Zeppelin fan. I'd count them among my top 5 artists with Dylan, Maiden, Beatles, and The Kinks. That said, I've heard Stairway so many times in various contexts, it's so ubiquitous that it's very difficult to hear it with fresh ears and mind. I don't even remember a time when I didn't know of the song--I grew up with my dad playing it, along with a lot of classic rock, on drums. As a kid I thought it rather dull, but I came to love it in my teens, and I think I've settled into an appreciation for it as an adult, but it doesn't excite me anymore. I get why it's a classic and often considered one of the two or three greatest rock songs ever written, but I just don't really feel it anymore. As for The Herald Erjen OP video, I think it's rather reaching. Zeppelin were infamously fans of fantasy and mythology schlock, as The Immigrant Song and The Battle of Evermore (from the same album as Stairway) show. The lyrics are vague nonsense that Plant conjured improvisationally; there's no deep meaning to them. As for the hero's journey stuff, the notion of home -> adventure -> return has long been a part of music. During the classical and romantic era, sonata form was all about this: exposition (statement of themes) -> development (themes are treated to tension via key changes and chromaticism) -> recapitulation (return to original themes). So this structure is not new in the slightest. Even the vast majority of pop music is structured around this, where the verse-chorus-verse structure tends to lead to new material in the bridge before the final return to the chorus. Stairway is different more in that it's a long, slow build to a climax. That has more to do with dynamics and the frequent introduction of new material. If anything, it represents a constant ascent rather than a journey and return. Anyway, it's not among my favorite Zep songs. I'm fond of this underrated and relatively unknown track that was likely a huge influence on 80s metal: As for the plagiarism issue, I actually had an extensive discussion about this on another forum. Here was my analysis of all of Zep's alleged "thefts:" www.talkclassical.com/62575-zeppelin-vs-sabbath-7.html#post1682098
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 26, 2020 0:24:39 GMT
I'm a huge Zeppelin fan. I'd count them among my top 5 artists with Dylan, Maiden, Beatles, and The Kinks. That said, I've heard Stairway so many times in various contexts, it's so ubiquitous that it's very difficult to hear it with fresh ears and mind. I don't even remember a time when I didn't know of the song--I grew up with my dad playing it, along with a lot of classic rock, on drums. As a kid I thought it rather dull, but I came to love it in my teens, and I think I've settled into an appreciation for it as an adult, but it doesn't excite me anymore. I get why it's a classic and often considered one of the two or three greatest rock songs ever written, but I just don't really feel it anymore. As for The Herald Erjen OP video, I think it's rather reaching. Zeppelin were infamously fans of fantasy and mythology schlock, as The Immigrant Song and The Battle of Evermore (from the same album as Stairway) show. The lyrics are vague nonsense that Plant conjured improvisationally; there's no deep meaning to them. As for the hero's journey stuff, the notion of home -> adventure -> return has long been a part of music. During the classical and romantic era, sonata form was all about this: exposition (statement of themes) -> development (themes are treated to tension via key changes and chromaticism) -> recapitulation (return to original themes). So this structure is not new in the slightest. Even the vast majority of pop music is structured around this, where the verse-chorus-verse structure tends to lead to new material in the bridge before the final return to the chorus. Stairway is different more in that it's a long, slow build to a climax. That has more to do with dynamics and the frequent introduction of new material. If anything, it represents a constant ascent rather than a journey and return. Anyway, it's not among my favorite Zep songs. I'm fond of this underrated and relatively unknown track that was likely a huge influence on 80s metal: As for the plagiarism issue, I actually had an extensive discussion about this on another forum. Here was my analysis of all of Zep's alleged "thefts:" www.talkclassical.com/62575-zeppelin-vs-sabbath-7.html#post1682098Thanks for your input, Eva Yojimbo. And thanks for saying what you really think. Maybe I am reaching. I've liked the song since I-can't-remember-when, and other Zep songs too, but last few days this band and this song in particular have me very preoccupied for some reason.
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