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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 22, 2020 16:13:30 GMT
Word came a couple of hours ago that the US Government has agreed to pay Pharma giant Pfizer $1.95 Billion for 100 million doses of a Covid vaccine that will be given to the public for free. Of course this all dependent on the potential drug passing a Clinical Trail - i.e. proving it's 1. Safe to take 2. Actually does what it's intended to do. Numerous Clinical Trials going on right now by many major pharma companies - curious as to why a deal with Pfizer was struck - unless they seem to be in the lead as to what Phase their trial is in. Once the news is announced that we do have a vaccine (whenver that may be - hoping Spring 2021 at the latest) - I can't remember a bigger story that may have dropped since maybe Hussein or bin Laden being exterminated. Would be huge globally - all the lives being saved. It's just a contract. The real story will be when they announce the vaccine is ready and available to the public. And when that happens...
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Post by millar70 on Jul 22, 2020 19:55:41 GMT
I thought it was obvious he was kidding - but found it hysterical.
I mean - I hope he's kidding Looking at the rest of that conversation, and his history of being anti-science, I don't know what to think at this point. You should get your errands done by 1PM. You would definitely fit in the category of "Early Wave" society that should probably have their shit together by early afternoon, so then the rest of us can take care of our business the rest of the day without the "worried" bringing down the day.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 22, 2020 20:04:15 GMT
Looking at the rest of that conversation, and his history of being anti-science, I don't know what to think at this point. You should get your errands done by 1PM. You would definitely fit in the category of "Early Wave" society that should probably have their shit together by early afternoon, so then the rest of us can take care of our business the rest of the day without the "worried" bringing down the day. If you think I'm worried about getting Covid-19, look at the first few pages of this thread. I used to be like you, only thinking about myself. "It can't hurt me, therefore I don't see what the big deal is." As soon as you figure out the world doesn't revolve around you, you'll have a better understanding of why it's important to stop the spread of the disease. You always tell me I always have to be right. Well, I was wrong about this.
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Post by millar70 on Jul 22, 2020 20:24:17 GMT
You should get your errands done by 1PM. You would definitely fit in the category of "Early Wave" society that should probably have their shit together by early afternoon, so then the rest of us can take care of our business the rest of the day without the "worried" bringing down the day. If you think I'm worried about getting Covid-19, look at the first few pages of this thread. I used to be like you, only thinking about myself. "It can't hurt me, therefore I don't see what the big deal is." As soon as you figure out the world doesn't revolve around you, you'll have a better understanding of why it's important to stop the spread of the disease. You always tell me I always have to be right. Well, I was wrong about this. The world doesn't revolve around me......wow, thanks for the ethics lesson. I gotta tell ya, I always figured it did, thank God you're here to straighten me out. You think I'm unaware of how dangerous it is out in the real world? Not fully aware of your personal situation, but I've been working 40 hours a week with the public since late March, bozo. I'm FULLY aware of what's going on out there, I'm not sitting home a lot watching Netflix. I haven't seen many people coughing and sneezing, but I have seen many healthy looking folks nasty towards each other as some buy into the bullshit while others don't. It's high times for those in power that believe in the "divide and conquer" way of ruling.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 22, 2020 21:13:47 GMT
If you think I'm worried about getting Covid-19, look at the first few pages of this thread. I used to be like you, only thinking about myself. "It can't hurt me, therefore I don't see what the big deal is." As soon as you figure out the world doesn't revolve around you, you'll have a better understanding of why it's important to stop the spread of the disease. You always tell me I always have to be right. Well, I was wrong about this. The world doesn't revolve around me......wow, thanks for the ethics lesson. I gotta tell ya, I always figured it did, thank God you're here to straighten me out. You think I'm unaware of how dangerous it is out in the real world? Not fully aware of your personal situation, but I've been working 40 hours a week with the public since late March, bozo. I'm FULLY aware of what's going on out there, I'm not sitting home a lot watching Netflix. I haven't seen many people coughing and sneezing, but I have seen many healthy looking folks nasty towards each other as some buy into the bullshit while others don't. It's high times for those in power that believe in the "divide and conquer" way of ruling. I never stopped going into the office, either. You must be unaware of the dangers to others, because you think the solution is people need to toughen up.
No argument here.
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Post by millar70 on Jul 22, 2020 22:14:24 GMT
The world doesn't revolve around me......wow, thanks for the ethics lesson. I gotta tell ya, I always figured it did, thank God you're here to straighten me out. You think I'm unaware of how dangerous it is out in the real world? Not fully aware of your personal situation, but I've been working 40 hours a week with the public since late March, bozo. I'm FULLY aware of what's going on out there, I'm not sitting home a lot watching Netflix. I haven't seen many people coughing and sneezing, but I have seen many healthy looking folks nasty towards each other as some buy into the bullshit while others don't. It's high times for those in power that believe in the "divide and conquer" way of ruling. I never stopped going into the office, either. You must be unaware of the dangers to others, because you think the solution is people need to toughen up.
No argument here.
I'm unaware of the dangers to others? Gee, Ray, why don't you inform me of the dangers that are out there. Should I be washing my hands? Should I stop sneezing on people? Cuz at the store I work at, we sneeze on anyone that buys any Jamieson or Smirnoff, it's just store policy. Do you think we should stop that?
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Post by movieliker on Jul 24, 2020 23:51:03 GMT
Still, whenever I watch these tributes to those lost to the Coronavirus, almost all of them seem old, or fat and out of shape.
Lots of people never exercise. And don't seem to realize it's an obligation --- if you have a body.
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Post by mecano04 on Jul 25, 2020 2:12:38 GMT
Got the results for my 4th test and I'm still negative, sign that my precautions are paying dividend.
Otherwise it seems, at least from what I hear from friends and coworkers and see getting pushed on social medias, that there are more and more people questioning the usage of the mask and the whole situation.
Some people I know, either friends or coworkers, wanted my opinion on some videos they saw so I watched clips, interviews and even a guy promoting his documentary (and some bits of it) and it seems that the people questioning the whole thing fall in 3 different categories:
1. The nutjobs. For example, one interview started with a guy who asking the question "are even in the middle of a pandemic?", linking the word pandemic to the number of deaths (while pandemic, or epidemic, refers to the fact that a disease is spread across a community or a whole area, not the death toll) and then citing numbers that either can't be found or are simply lies.
2. The "misguided". One guy who made a documentary started explaining to his interviewer how the mainstream medias don't tell the truth (which is right if you take that statement without explaining what sensationalism is) but then claimed that the only other option was to look for sources that tell things as they are and that was "conspiracy" sources. I mean, the guy didn't even stop for one minute to search for government sources (CDC or health agencies) or medical sources (John Hopkins university, The Lancet or The New England Journal of Medicine for example). He went from mainstream straight to conspiracy stuff, which is the pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other without even stopping (or considering anything) in the middle.
3. Those who misunderstand. That may be the category in which most people fall in but for language reasons or others, some just misunderstand what is being said and asked of them.
Just to be clear, even as someone working in a long term care home, I can say that there are valid reasons for not wearing the mask but somehow it's rarely those reasons that are cited.
On another note, we have new personnel (all over the place, in different departments) at work but what amazes me is how many new employees have small shapes. I mean, unless you got a desk job, working in a long term care home ,whether it's on the units with the residents, or at the delivery reception or the maintenance or the kitchen is a physical job. How can the administration think that people who are 5'2" and barely weight 110lbs go trough their shift without nay issues is beyond me. I understand that at this point, they hire whoever applies (with small exceptions) but maybe they should at least find a way to get people who are able to do the job.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 25, 2020 23:56:08 GMT
I mean, if the selfie fits.
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Post by bluerisk on Jul 26, 2020 15:14:02 GMT
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 27, 2020 13:39:58 GMT
Per CNN - Google tells employees they won't be back in the office until June 2021 at the earliest.
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Post by sjg on Jul 27, 2020 18:03:21 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March.
I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one.
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Post by bluerisk on Jul 27, 2020 18:10:13 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March. I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one. lol...
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 27, 2020 18:31:59 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March. I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one. Well...here in my home town lots of known people to us are dying lately. One guy just 33 died 2 days ago. Lots of doctors dying and I am especially worried given both my parents have great chance of contracting the virus. We are not going to see peak for the next 30 days it seems. We had 50,000 new cases in India yesterday.
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Post by sjg on Jul 28, 2020 11:04:08 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March. I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one. Well...here in my home town lots of known people to us are dying lately. One guy just 33 died 2 days ago. Lots of doctors dying and I am especially worried given both my parents have great chance of contracting the virus. We are not going to see peak for the next 30 days it seems. We had 50,000 new cases in India yesterday. I've noticed the high numbers where you are AJ and it's made the national news here in the UK. Mexico has had a lot of deaths over the last couple of months too and they have nearly caught us up
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Post by bluerisk on Jul 28, 2020 15:41:18 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it.
Save from people who died of it.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 29, 2020 4:21:59 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it. Save from people who died of it. Same was true for me too till about 30 days back but it seems every day now someone I know catches it. Hell, now even people I know are dying from it. I don't know for a fact but it seems median/average age of people dying in India is significantly less than of people who died in Europe from the same disease. South America seems to be seeing a high rate of infection and death as well.
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Post by mecano04 on Jul 30, 2020 1:31:30 GMT
Everything is pretty much back to normal at work, except for the fact we have a bunch of new employees in training. Hearing people on the public transports while I commute, on the streets, at work and at home, it seems we are now slowly entering a new phase in the crisis.
It's the beginning of the grind or the long haul. We'll see more and more impatience, desperation and exhaustion (both physical and psychological).
I mean, most people do wear the mask (probably 95% from my ballpark estimate) on the public transport but there is still a noticeable number of people not wearing any at all despite all the warnings and signs. Also there seem to be a growing number of articles, mostly opinion pieces, questioning the whole thing and asking whether everything was or still is necessary. Don't get me wrong, I do think that some decisions made by the government weren't right and I can understand why those decisions were made but I'm not willing to throw everything out the window.
On the desperation and exhaustion fronts, while the crisis was at its peak a little while back, it seems that most health workers and people in isolation tanked to make it through because the idea was that it was a rough patch. While it "worked", reality has set in that we may not be able to go back to "normal" as fast as we'd like. Combine that with the fact that financial support from the government won't last forever and you have people, like some of my coworkers and neighbors, who feel more and more anxious about the future.
All this leads me to think revelation is the best word to describe the "experience" so far.
I mean, in the first months, the crisis revealed to the government and the people, just how prepared they were for such an event (let's be honest, globally we weren't). It happened by highlighting the flaws in the procedures and the fact that some countries decided to cut their spending on PPE and reducing their reserves in the last few years.
On the field, it revealed who is a team player and who is a liability to an organization. I mean, sure we knew some coworkers never took hand washing seriously and they have been warned but even when the shit hit the fan some refused to actually do things correctly unless someone was standing right beside them and watched them. It also revealed the flaws in the PPE and general equipment distribution process.
On a global scale, it revealed who understands what is being said and who does not (like how to wear the mask properly), who can use common sense and who can't (like those toilet paper hoarders, especially in a province that produce it) and who can do some fact checking and who can't.
To each, it revealed just how mentally and physically though we are. Everybody has a different threshold before breaking down but some reached it already while others can still go on. Some do rely on others to make it through, like some coworkers who kept questioning others about how they were feeling and would actually mirror their answers. In those instances, it seems that they would hang on for as long as the people they perceived as though would hang on.
The word surreal could also be used to describe what it felt like boarding the subway (called Métro in Montréal) with only 6 other persons at rush hour. When I say the subway, I mean the whole train, not just my wagon but the whole train only carried 7 passengers on one go at some point.
Well that's about it for now, stay strong!
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Post by millar70 on Jul 30, 2020 3:27:09 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it. Save from people who died of it. I have been working 40 hours a week dealing with the public since March 27. I work at a busy liquor store. As of yet, I haven't felt a twinge of sickness. I have not noticed one single customer at the store who has been coughing, sneezing, sniffling, or even appearing sick at the slightest. I have not heard of one single friend or family member who have gotten it. I know I'm supposed to be living in fear, the television keeps telling me I should be. The average age of people dying from Covid is actually higher than the average age of death as a whole. Unfortunately, facts can be a real pain in the ass when an artificial panic is spread by those who don't want to admit to them.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2020 16:59:15 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it. Save from people who died of it. I have been working 40 hours a week dealing with the public since March 27. I work at a busy liquor store. As of yet, I haven't felt a twinge of sickness. I have not noticed one single customer at the store who has been coughing, sneezing, sniffling, or even appearing sick at the slightest. I have not heard of one single friend or family member who have gotten it. I know I'm supposed to be living in fear, the television keeps telling me I should be. The average age of people dying from Covid is actually higher than the average age of death as a whole. Unfortunately, facts can be a real pain in the ass when an artificial panic is spread by those who don't want to admit to them. Asymptomatic people wouldn't be doing any of those, and I would expect most people who are suffering badly from Covid-19 would be at home quarantining/bedridden, so they wouldn't be out shopping. And how many times does it have to pointed out that there are lingering effects to those who survive covid, it isn't just about how many people died. Eduardo Rodriguez developed a heart condition due to covid, I'd say that's pretty serious. It isn't about 'living in fear', it's about not spreading the disease to people who are more susceptible to it than you may be. It's that simple. The television was telling us to be afraid long before covid came around.
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