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Post by sjg on Oct 12, 2020 11:46:02 GMT
The numbers here in the UK are getting fairly alarming. To me it appears to be down to two things, pubs and universities. In both the young are mingling with no thought to coronavirus and no precautions which in itself isn't too much of a problem because i would imagine most could weather the infection well and maybe build up a bit of immunity to it. The problem is who they then infect out of their age group.
I suppose students could be quarantined on campus and as long as they don't leave the grounds can do whatever they want but i would imagine pubs will need to close again for a while.
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Post by sdm3 on Oct 12, 2020 11:53:38 GMT
The numbers here in the UK are getting fairly alarming. To me it appears to be down to two things, pubs and universities. In both the young are mingling with no thought to coronavirus and no precautions which in itself isn't too much of a problem because i would imagine most could weather the infection well and maybe build up a bit of immunity to it. The problem is who they then infect out of their age group. I suppose students could be quarantined on campus and as long as they don't leave the grounds can do whatever they want but i would imagine pubs will need to close again for a while. I don't think it's fair to blame the young when the government cannot follow (or remember) their own rules. Health Secretary Matt Hancock went to a pub minutes before curfew hit and stayed beyond the permitted time. He also joked about the data glitch which lost thousands of reported cases. Cummings, Johnson, Hancock... if those in charge show that it's one rule for them and another for the commoners, you can't blame people for not taking it seriously.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 12, 2020 12:04:46 GMT
The numbers here in the UK are getting fairly alarming. To me it appears to be down to two things, pubs and universities. In both the young are mingling with no thought to coronavirus and no precautions which in itself isn't too much of a problem because i would imagine most could weather the infection well and maybe build up a bit of immunity to it. The problem is who they then infect out of their age group. I suppose students could be quarantined on campus and as long as they don't leave the grounds can do whatever they want but i would imagine pubs will need to close again for a while. I don't think it's fair to blame the young when the government cannot follow (or remember) their own rules. Health Secretary Matt Hancock went to a pub minutes before curfew hit and stayed beyond the permitted time. He also joked about the data glitch which lost thousands of reported cases. Cummings, Johnson, Hancock... if those in charge show that it's one rule for them and another for the commoners, you can't blame people for not taking it seriously. I got a kick out of this.
Philly mayor bans indoor dining in Philly
Then takes a quick trip down to Maryland to dine indoors -
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Post by sjg on Oct 12, 2020 12:14:07 GMT
The numbers here in the UK are getting fairly alarming. To me it appears to be down to two things, pubs and universities. In both the young are mingling with no thought to coronavirus and no precautions which in itself isn't too much of a problem because i would imagine most could weather the infection well and maybe build up a bit of immunity to it. The problem is who they then infect out of their age group. I suppose students could be quarantined on campus and as long as they don't leave the grounds can do whatever they want but i would imagine pubs will need to close again for a while. I don't think it's fair to blame the young when the government cannot follow (or remember) their own rules. Health Secretary Matt Hancock went to a pub minutes before curfew hit and stayed beyond the permitted time. He also joked about the data glitch which lost thousands of reported cases. Cummings, Johnson, Hancock... if those in charge show that it's one rule for them and another for the commoners, you can't blame people for not taking it seriously. I can and i am blaming them. It's not about what Hancock, Johnson and Cummings are saying it's about common sense. It's not all of the younger generation, i have met plenty of people young and old who are using their own judgement and common sense and will ride this pandemic out untouched and i've met the exact opposite who do whatever they want ignoring the possible consequences, those are the people i am blaming and it's just that most of them are young. Having said that the majority of them aren't in the area of the country i live in so i'm largely unaffected at the moment but if i lived in the north or London i would be pissed. I can see us living in geographical lock down sandwich here soon.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 14, 2020 16:12:38 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 14, 2020 16:16:40 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 14, 2020 16:19:01 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 14, 2020 16:33:37 GMT
The message from Boris still remains clear as ever:- I was having a conversation with one of my relatives regarding immunity and coronavirus. Keep in mind neither me nor the person I was talking to is an expert or has any background in medical education. My observation was that some countries are exhibiting lower death rate against the virus while others are exhibiting higher death rate per 1000 infections. I opined that poorer countries exhibit better survival rate because living in unhygienic conditions compared to living in richer countries makes people's immune system stronger. Even in India, the most poorer state (Bihar) has far better survival rate than richer states like Maharashtra (Bombay) and Delhi. So it seems living conditions from birth may shape how your immune system is prepared for such situation. Also, my observation is that rich people seem to be dying more than poorer people in India. Although, the minority communities in the US and England seems to be faring relatively worse to the virus than majority community. So that goes against my observation in India. But keep in mind there is a difference in my comparison. In India, I contrasted rich people with poor people and not majority with minority. They are somewhat related but not the same. I just noted that not a single person has died of the virus in Laos and Combodia and just 35 have died in Vietnam. Mind you Vietnam's population is 1.5 times that of the UK. But it must be noted that only 1,122 cases of virus has been reported in Vietnam so we can't link better survival rate with race. It could be argued that either infection has not reached these south East Asian countries or they are better at protecting themselves against getting infected. Countries like Singapore though have exhibited extremely low deaths (28) in spite of many cases (57,752 cases). So here we can say that these people have fared much better in surviving the virus. Don't know the racial make up but it seems Singapore has majority of people with Chinese ancestry and significant minority of Indians and Malays.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 14, 2020 16:40:28 GMT
It seems high infections are being reported from all over Europe. Countries like Czech republic, Poland, Romania etc. are seeing great resurgence in Virus. Although I have a belief that per 100,000 infections, UK will see many more deaths than most other countries of Europe. 19,000 new cases reported in the UK for yesterday and UK is already seeing 100+ deaths. After 10 or 12 days it could be 200+ deaths per day and UK may see about 5000+ deaths in the second wave alone.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 14, 2020 16:46:24 GMT
It seems high infections are being reported from all over Europe. Countries like Czech republic, Poland, Romania etc. are seeing great resurgence in Virus. Although I have a belief that per 100,000 infections, UK will see many more deaths than most other countries of Europe. 19,000 new cases reported in the UK for yesterday and UK is already seeing 100+ deaths. After 10 or 12 days it could be 200+ deaths per day and UK may see about 5000+ deaths in the second wave alone. Yeah it's looking grim all over. UK will no doubt come off worst again though. Our double whammy of inept leadership and thick-as-pig-shit population is pretty unique.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 14, 2020 17:08:04 GMT
It seems high infections are being reported from all over Europe. Countries like Czech republic, Poland, Romania etc. are seeing great resurgence in Virus. Although I have a belief that per 100,000 infections, UK will see many more deaths than most other countries of Europe. 19,000 new cases reported in the UK for yesterday and UK is already seeing 100+ deaths. After 10 or 12 days it could be 200+ deaths per day and UK may see about 5000+ deaths in the second wave alone. Yeah it's looking grim all over. UK will no doubt come off worst again though. Our double whammy of inept leadership and thick-as-pig-shit population is pretty unique. It seems to me that different countries are facing different challenges. I will like to discuss about 3 countries. US - Political problems. Right Wing is crazy and believes in conspiracies. Right-wing people almost say fat people and old people may fuck themselves, all I care about is my right. Left wing are selfish and riots they supported reignited the spread of virus which was falling in late May. UK - Inept government plus general disregard for the risk the virus possess to the vulnerable and elderly. Covid parties are cool. India - Outright hypocrisy of the general population. I mean not one political party in India was against the lockdown. There is no conspiracy theory here that has any significant support. Almost everyone agrees that masks protect and that people should maintain social distancing. But these people are liars. When it comes to do what they say, they are proven liars and hypocrites. They will invite 100s in their weddings and spread the virus. They will write on their facebook that masks are necessary but they will not wear one when they go out. So it seems we all have different challenges.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 14, 2020 17:58:12 GMT
Yeah it's looking grim all over. UK will no doubt come off worst again though. Our double whammy of inept leadership and thick-as-pig-shit population is pretty unique. It seems to me that different countries are facing different challenges. I will like to discuss about 3 countries. US - Political problems. Right Wing is crazy and believes in conspiracies. Right-wing people almost say fat people and old people may fuck themselves, all I care about is my right. Left wing are selfish and riots they supported reignited the spread of virus which was falling in late May. UK - Inept government plus general disregard for the risk the virus possess to the vulnerable and elderly. Covid parties are cool. India - Outright hypocrisy of the general population. I mean not one political party in India was against the lockdown. There is no conspiracy theory here that has any significant support. Almost everyone agrees that masks protect and that people should maintain social distancing. But these people are liars. When it comes to do what they say, they are proven liars and hypocrites. They will invite 100s in their weddings and spread the virus. They will write on their facebook that masks are necessary but they will not wear one when they go out. So it seems we all have different challenges. Yeah, good summary!
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Post by sjg on Oct 14, 2020 18:02:49 GMT
It seems high infections are being reported from all over Europe. Countries like Czech republic, Poland, Romania etc. are seeing great resurgence in Virus. Although I have a belief that per 100,000 infections, UK will see many more deaths than most other countries of Europe. 19,000 new cases reported in the UK for yesterday and UK is already seeing 100+ deaths. After 10 or 12 days it could be 200+ deaths per day and UK may see about 5000+ deaths in the second wave alone. It's definitely looking grim for us in the UK. Mind you less than 1% of the new infections each day are in the county i live in so i feel pretty safe here so i'll be staying put for the foreseeable future. Looking at the articles Carl posted i'm rendered speechless by the fact people go out and cram together when they've been advised it's probably dangerous to do so and they won't be able to do it the next day. They are all idiots and proves pubs should have remained shut. Schools seem to be a breeding ground too, over 70 have reported infections here and it looks like every university in the country has infections too.
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Post by sjg on Oct 14, 2020 18:06:31 GMT
The message from Boris still remains clear as ever:- I was having a conversation with one of my relatives regarding immunity and coronavirus. Keep in mind neither me nor the person I was talking to is an expert or has any background in medical education. My observation was that some countries are exhibiting lower death rate against the virus while others are exhibiting higher death rate per 1000 infections. I opined that poorer countries exhibit better survival rate because living in unhygienic conditions compared to living in richer countries makes people's immune system stronger. Even in India, the most poorer state (Bihar) has far better survival rate than richer states like Maharashtra (Bombay) and Delhi. So it seems living conditions from birth may shape how your immune system is prepared for such situation. Also, my observation is that rich people seem to be dying more than poorer people in India. Although, the minority communities in the US and England seems to be faring relatively worse to the virus than majority community. So that goes against my observation in India. But keep in mind there is a difference in my comparison. In India, I contrasted rich people with poor people and not majority with minority. They are somewhat related but not the same. I just noted that not a single person has died of the virus in Laos and Combodia and just 35 have died in Vietnam. Mind you Vietnam's population is 1.5 times that of the UK. But it must be noted that only 1,122 cases of virus has been reported in Vietnam so we can't link better survival rate with race. It could be argued that either infection has not reached these south East Asian countries or they are better at protecting themselves against getting infected. Countries like Singapore though have exhibited extremely low deaths (28) in spite of many cases (57,752 cases). So here we can say that these people have fared much better in surviving the virus. Don't know the racial make up but it seems Singapore has majority of people with Chinese ancestry and significant minority of Indians and Malays. I read an article not so long ago that hypothesized poorer people tend to be leaner and fitter because they do more themselves and tend be more active in general which allows them to deal with Covid a lot better.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 14, 2020 18:46:15 GMT
I was having a conversation with one of my relatives regarding immunity and coronavirus. Keep in mind neither me nor the person I was talking to is an expert or has any background in medical education. My observation was that some countries are exhibiting lower death rate against the virus while others are exhibiting higher death rate per 1000 infections. I opined that poorer countries exhibit better survival rate because living in unhygienic conditions compared to living in richer countries makes people's immune system stronger. Even in India, the most poorer state (Bihar) has far better survival rate than richer states like Maharashtra (Bombay) and Delhi. So it seems living conditions from birth may shape how your immune system is prepared for such situation. Also, my observation is that rich people seem to be dying more than poorer people in India. Although, the minority communities in the US and England seems to be faring relatively worse to the virus than majority community. So that goes against my observation in India. But keep in mind there is a difference in my comparison. In India, I contrasted rich people with poor people and not majority with minority. They are somewhat related but not the same. I just noted that not a single person has died of the virus in Laos and Combodia and just 35 have died in Vietnam. Mind you Vietnam's population is 1.5 times that of the UK. But it must be noted that only 1,122 cases of virus has been reported in Vietnam so we can't link better survival rate with race. It could be argued that either infection has not reached these south East Asian countries or they are better at protecting themselves against getting infected. Countries like Singapore though have exhibited extremely low deaths (28) in spite of many cases (57,752 cases). So here we can say that these people have fared much better in surviving the virus. Don't know the racial make up but it seems Singapore has majority of people with Chinese ancestry and significant minority of Indians and Malays. I read an article not so long ago that hypothesized poorer people tend to be leaner and fitter because they do more themselves and tend be more active in general which allows them to deal with Covid a lot better. Yeah, that seems to be the most logical reason for why poorer people are able to see off the virus better. In my hometown one of the persons involved in collecting the samples of those who get tested is my old acquaintance and he along with his team collects around 400+ samples on a daily basis. When I asked him who are the people who are showing more symptoms, he said the economically better off people. It seems the labourers and migrants who have returned may have brought the coronavirus to my province from the metros but they are not the ones who are dying. The people who are dying are those who lead sedentary lifestyles such as those whose jobs don't involve much physical labour and who are usually economically well placed.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 15, 2020 20:34:31 GMT
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 15, 2020 20:40:32 GMT
'....the woman decided to cancel her membership - but they wouldn't help her without a mask'
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 15, 2020 21:03:24 GMT
bwhahahaha!
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 15, 2020 22:13:23 GMT
ok this is the last one (and best!)
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 16, 2020 0:51:14 GMT
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