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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 3:26:45 GMT
To gain back the respect he lost from the wimpy loser that Fox made him?
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Post by onethreetwo on Mar 9, 2020 3:53:00 GMT
The actor is as important as the role and script imo. Someone who commands a presence. And it goes without saying that he needs to be in a leadership role. We need to see he's important and valued. Also I'd like to see a more traditional costume. He needs to be classically recognizable. Not just some dude in shades.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 4:11:05 GMT
The actor is as important as the role and script imo. Someone who commands a presence. And it goes without saying that he needs to be in a leadership role. We need to see he's important and valued. Also I'd like to see a more traditional costume. He needs to be classically recognizable. Not just some dude in shades. I personally think they should get a bigger, taller actor who can look imposing. Clean cut but imposing, like Armie Hammer in the Man from UNCLE. Then make his costume have a quasi-military cut to it.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 9, 2020 4:16:58 GMT
Showing him being a tactician and good leader would be nice. Make him be a bit of a boyscout, but have him a little weathered and with an edge. Show him actually enjoying his role, too. Yes he has responsibilities, but actually have more to his character. Like I said before I would be happy with 2 dimensional character he doesn't even have to be 3 dimensional as 2d would be a vast improvement.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 9, 2020 12:47:42 GMT
Cast somebody with a similar screen presence to Chris Evans.
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Post by scabab on Mar 9, 2020 15:07:30 GMT
He needs to be X-Men equivalent of Captain America but maybe with even less jokes.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 17:54:39 GMT
They need to let him be a leader, get someone who can look the part as an authority figure also, someone who can play no nonsense but warm also, as Cyclops should be all business in missions and training but make sense someone like Jean would fall in love with, make him less the impotent dick that X1 & 2 made him, this is what they should do imo personality wise.
When it comes to the team give him shit to do, he's the leader he should act like it also, let him be the one who has the plans and knows the team, and where they are best utilised, also let him do more than just eye blast people, he's been training most of his life he should be able to kick the shit out of people easy.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 19:12:25 GMT
My take: They need to play him as someone noble and with integrity but also has a hard-edged, no-nonsense attitude. Kinda like Captain America but a bit harder and more militaristic. Get someone tall and fit. That way his height over Wolverine is emphasized. Make sure he's shown to be a tactical genius and a very competent battlefield commander. Give him some decent h2h skills. Nothing too crazy but enough to show that he takes his training seriously.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 9, 2020 19:42:03 GMT
He needs to be X-Men equivalent of Captain America but maybe with even less jokes. Not really less jokes, but have a very dry humor. A lot of Cap's humor is situational (framed by the scene) or him reacting to other people being funny towards him. He doesn't say a lot of things to be funny unless it's with Bucky or Sam.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 9, 2020 19:45:33 GMT
My take: They need to play him as someone noble and with integrity but also has a hard-edged, no-nonsense attitude. Kinda like Captain America but a bit harder and more militaristic. Get someone tall and fit. That way his height over Wolverine is emphasized. Make sure he's shown to be a tactical genius and a very competent battlefield commander. Give him some decent h2h skills. Nothing too crazy but enough to show that he takes his training seriously. I don't think he needs to be a tactical genius, but he does need to be a capable leader. Someone that you notice that he isn't there to lead them.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 19:55:51 GMT
My take: They need to play him as someone noble and with integrity but also has a hard-edged, no-nonsense attitude. Kinda like Captain America but a bit harder and more militaristic. Get someone tall and fit. That way his height over Wolverine is emphasized. Make sure he's shown to be a tactical genius and a very competent battlefield commander. Give him some decent h2h skills. Nothing too crazy but enough to show that he takes his training seriously. I don't think he needs to be a tactical genius, but he does need to be a capable leader. Someone that you notice that he isn't there to lead them. That's usually what makes a good battlefield commander, that they're very good at tactics. Besides, there's no tactical geniuses in the team. The two greatest minds (Xavier and Beast) are very smart but not in terms of battlefield tactics. So someone needs to take that role and who better than Cyclops? Because if nobody in the team is a good tactician then their team should have a very bad mission success rate.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 20:24:41 GMT
I don't think he needs to be a tactical genius, but he does need to be a capable leader. Someone that you notice that he isn't there to lead them. That's usually what makes a good battlefield commander, that they're very good at tactics. Besides, there's no tactical geniuses in the team. The two greatest minds (Xavier and Beast) are very smart but not in terms of battlefield tactics. So someone needs to take that role and who better than Cyclops? Because if nobody in the team is a good tactician then their team should have a very bad mission success rate. I wouldn't go so far as to say genius but he needs to be one of the more tactically minded, Cyclops I think should be an all rounder, he's powerful but not too powerful, smart but not too smart, tough but not the toughest etc, so he can capably understand everyone's strengths and positions on the team as well as be something of a utility player himself, which is a good way to create conflict with the likes of Logan who is a better fighter and tougher, but he's more one dimensional in his tactics which is why you listen to Logan if it becomes a free for all but not when you are talking espionage and shit.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 9, 2020 20:32:10 GMT
I don't think he needs to be a tactical genius, but he does need to be a capable leader. Someone that you notice that he isn't there to lead them. That's usually what makes a good battlefield commander, that they're very good at tactics. Besides, there's no tactical geniuses in the team. The two greatest minds (Xavier and Beast) are very smart but not in terms of battlefield tactics. So someone needs to take that role and who better than Cyclops? Because if nobody in the team is a good tactician then their team should have a very bad mission success rate. What I mean is that he doesn't have to be a genius at it. He can pull some tactics that no one on the team would think to do and get them through a tough situation to win the day, but I don't think he should be genius level.
Also, being a capable leader doesn't mean you are very good at tactics.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 9, 2020 20:32:44 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 21:45:54 GMT
That's usually what makes a good battlefield commander, that they're very good at tactics. Besides, there's no tactical geniuses in the team. The two greatest minds (Xavier and Beast) are very smart but not in terms of battlefield tactics. So someone needs to take that role and who better than Cyclops? Because if nobody in the team is a good tactician then their team should have a very bad mission success rate. I wouldn't go so far as to say genius but he needs to be one of the more tactically minded, Cyclops I think should be an all rounder, he's powerful but not too powerful, smart but not too smart, tough but not the toughest etc, so he can capably understand everyone's strengths and positions on the team as well as be something of a utility player himself, which is a good way to create conflict with the likes of Logan who is a better fighter and tougher, but he's more one dimensional in his tactics which is why you listen to Logan if it becomes a free for all but not when you are talking espionage and shit. I think the problem here is, someone in the team needs to be a good tactician. Because if there wasn't any, then their team would suck at doing missions. And who's going to be the tactician? It can't be Wolverine, you actually need someone who prioritizes the team and doesn't go berserk half the time in order to be a good tactician. It's not Gambit or Rogue who are too laid back and loose. Not Xavier or Beast, who's intellect leans more towards the sciences than battle strategy. Not Jean or Jubilee either. So it's got to be either Cyclops or Storm. One of them needs to be a tactical genius otherwise their success rate as a team would suck. Besides, he's already considered a genius tactician in the comics. Not sure why they'd want to change that in the movies.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 21:47:35 GMT
That's usually what makes a good battlefield commander, that they're very good at tactics. Besides, there's no tactical geniuses in the team. The two greatest minds (Xavier and Beast) are very smart but not in terms of battlefield tactics. So someone needs to take that role and who better than Cyclops? Because if nobody in the team is a good tactician then their team should have a very bad mission success rate. What I mean is that he doesn't have to be a genius at it. He can pull some tactics that no one on the team would think to do and get them through a tough situation to win the day, but I don't think he should be genius level.
Also, being a capable leader doesn't mean you are very good at tactics.
You don't need to be good at tactics as a leader as long as there is someone in your chain of command who's good at tactics. It can be your commander, it might be one of your subordinates. But someone needs to be making those tactics otherwise you'll fail at your missions. Question here is, if Cyclops isn't their authority on tactics then who is? As for being a genius tactician, that's what he is in the comics. Take a look at websites like these: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)x-men.fandom.com/wiki/Cyclops_(Scott_Summers)And you'll see "master strategist" or "master tactician" listed as one of his abilities.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 10, 2020 17:48:31 GMT
What I mean is that he doesn't have to be a genius at it. He can pull some tactics that no one on the team would think to do and get them through a tough situation to win the day, but I don't think he should be genius level.
Also, being a capable leader doesn't mean you are very good at tactics.
You don't need to be good at tactics as a leader as long as there is someone in your chain of command who's good at tactics. It can be your commander, it might be one of your subordinates. But someone needs to be making those tactics otherwise you'll fail at your missions. Question here is, if Cyclops isn't their authority on tactics then who is? As for being a genius tactician, that's what he is in the comics. Take a look at websites like these: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)x-men.fandom.com/wiki/Cyclops_(Scott_Summers)And you'll see "master strategist" or "master tactician" listed as one of his abilities. Not saying that he's not a good tactician. That's basically what a master strategist/tactician is. But genius is a bit high. When I think genius, I think Beast or Stark or Hulk. A genius tactician would counter a situation before it happens.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 10, 2020 18:09:16 GMT
You don't need to be good at tactics as a leader as long as there is someone in your chain of command who's good at tactics. It can be your commander, it might be one of your subordinates. But someone needs to be making those tactics otherwise you'll fail at your missions. Question here is, if Cyclops isn't their authority on tactics then who is? As for being a genius tactician, that's what he is in the comics. Take a look at websites like these: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)x-men.fandom.com/wiki/Cyclops_(Scott_Summers)And you'll see "master strategist" or "master tactician" listed as one of his abilities. Not saying that he's not a good tactician. That's basically what a master strategist/tactician is. But genius is a bit high. When I think genius, I think Beast or Stark or Hulk. A genius tactician would counter a situation before it happens. Nah man, a good tactician is simply that: a good tactician. A master tactician is someone who goes far beyond simply being good... which is pretty much being a genius. Genius doesn't always equate to academic genius. Captain America for example is a genius tactician. But if the word "genius" is too strong for you then we can compromise and say expert tactician.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 10, 2020 22:44:39 GMT
Not saying that he's not a good tactician. That's basically what a master strategist/tactician is. But genius is a bit high. When I think genius, I think Beast or Stark or Hulk. A genius tactician would counter a situation before it happens. Nah man, a good tactician is simply that: a good tactician. A master tactician is someone who goes far beyond simply being good... which is pretty much being a genius. Genius doesn't always equate to academic genius. Captain America for example is a genius tactician. But if the word "genius" is too strong for you then we can compromise and say expert tactician. I wasn't meaning academic when I mentioned those guys. I meant naturally gifted. I think Cyclops should be a good tactician, but still well below Captain America. Cap should be his senior when it comes to leading in a battle. And I think the dynamic would/should have been that Cyclops knows this and hates it.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 11, 2020 0:41:29 GMT
Nah man, a good tactician is simply that: a good tactician. A master tactician is someone who goes far beyond simply being good... which is pretty much being a genius. Genius doesn't always equate to academic genius. Captain America for example is a genius tactician. But if the word "genius" is too strong for you then we can compromise and say expert tactician. I wasn't meaning academic when I mentioned those guys. I meant naturally gifted. I think Cyclops should be a good tactician, but still well below Captain America. Cap should be his senior when it comes to leading in a battle. And I think the dynamic would/should have been that Cyclops knows this and hates it. Ok... but why? Why would you want him to be not as good a tactician as his comic counterpart is? Why would you prefer to downgrade him when one of the primary attributes that makes him a good leader is his mastery of tactics and strategy?
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