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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 13:29:40 GMT
I thought Danerys had it in her. The was always put in a good light but she still had the cruelty in her. Crucifying the slaveowners in the one city, burning Randall Tarly. The Targaryans were so inbred that madness ran amok, but I thought maybe she was a good one, more than her father and brother. When she roasted the Tarly's, I was fairly certain she would go off the deep end.
Jon Snow was the 'good' Targaryen we were waiting for, the prince who was promised. Dany was always going to go crazy, the look on her face when she tricked the Unsullied owners and killed them all told you all you needed to know when the shit inevitably hit the fan. If there's a heaven in GOT, I like to imagine Ser Barristan's face looking down as Dany burned King's Landing to the ground. Possibly THE most honorable man on the show outside of Ned, he died defending this murderous wench. I always wondered what her protector for years would have thought - the guy that died in Season 8 Episode 4 in the battle vs. The White Walkers
He was so far up her butt and in love with her though - he may have approved
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 2, 2020 13:54:56 GMT
Jon Snow was the 'good' Targaryen we were waiting for, the prince who was promised. Dany was always going to go crazy, the look on her face when she tricked the Unsullied owners and killed them all told you all you needed to know when the shit inevitably hit the fan. If there's a heaven in GOT, I like to imagine Ser Barristan's face looking down as Dany burned King's Landing to the ground. Possibly THE most honorable man on the show outside of Ned, he died defending this murderous wench. I always wondered what her protector for years would have thought - the guy that died in Season 8 Episode 4 in the battle vs. The White Walkers
He was so far up her butt and in love with her though - he may have approved
I completely forgot about Jorah. Yeah that would've been a tough day for him, too. Better he died when he did than to witness the end.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 2, 2020 14:26:28 GMT
3. Before Trilogy. So I think Sunset is the "best" of the 3 for reasons I'll get into below, but Sunrise stuck to my ribs in a particular way. I fancy myself as a film purist and while masterofallgoons and Jep know more about the art of it than I do, I'm a sucker for the simple things, a good script, committed performances and beautiful camerawork and that's what this entire trilogy is. This is really film in its purist form as it's just two people talking. Basically for 100 minutes, 80 minutes and 110 minutes. That's it. And yet, their characters become so clearly defined, they evolve over the trilogy, they learn, they grow, they regress and in the end, they're excruciatingly real and flawed. Very good "ramble". And thanks for the nod, but I am not sure it is warranted - while I do consider myself a cinephile and I have watched many more classics and non-Hollywood movies than the average film-goer, it is one of the great frustrations of my life that I couldn't write a decent in-depth review of a movie if my life depended on it.
"Before Sunrise" reminds me of a great Sunday I spent with an Austrian girl I met at the Youth Hostel in West Berlin (yes, it was THAT long ago). Unfortunately the sequel wasn't like "Before Sunset" - I showed up unannounced in her home town of Salzburg weeks later mistakenly assuming that she would be as happy to see me as I was looking forward to seeing her. Not my happiest memory!
Yeah man, Sunrise got me thinking about a lot of those. Specifically, my first night in Nice during my study abroad, I met this Australian girl, Rachel Hainesworth. We crossed paths where our groups of friends were having dinner and kind of struck up conversation. We instantly hit it off. We talked for hours and wandered around Nice, ultimately deciding to head back to where I was staying. As I had just gotten there, I really didn't know my way around so we definitely got lost. But it didn't matter because the company was just tremendous and Nice is a beautiful city. We did find our way back to my place, and it was glorious and then we hung out on the beach for the next few hours until the sun rose, just talking, enjoying each other's company. At around 6ish, I walked her back to her hostel where she was staying with her friends as they had a train to catch. Again, I didn't know my way around and she was staying farther away than we both thought so that walk took way longer than it should have. We did exchange email addresses and we did correspond for a little while, but as they say during these movies, it would have been great for a bit and then tailed off. That's exactly what happened. She was awesome, her accent...man it was something. She could have read the phone book to me and I'd have been all in. I'd say it's a shame we never re-connected but it's amazing that we had that one night to ourselves. Complete strangers who opened up to each other and connected in ways that are rare in our lives. For one night, the world was ours and nothing else mattered. I hadn't thought about her in years....(makes sure to close window before getting up from computer where my wife can see this).
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Dec 2, 2020 14:34:33 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 2, 2020 15:03:58 GMT
Over the weekend, I watched the "Before" trilogy - Before Sunrise (1995), Before Sunset (2004) and Before Midnight (2013). First time viewing for all, I had read countless times about how Before Sunrise was a must-watch, one of the most romantic and beautifully told stories you can see, it's on everyone's "best of" type lists, etc., but I had never really considered watching it. Romance isn't exactly my go-to genre. Then last week, I was talking to a friend of mine who had just watched Boyhood for the first time and while he didn't love it, it got me thinking about that movie. And then about Richard Linklater as a whole. It's strange, I think I have (or at least, had) this sort of blind spot towards him. If you asked me to name my 10 favorite movies and 10 favorite directors, neither Linklater nor any of his movies would show up. However, having spent the last week thinking about it, and having watched that trilogy over the weekend (Sunrise on Thursday, Sunset on Friday and Midnight on Saturday) and having really thought about it, I think Linklater might be the best "slice of life" type of storyteller that I've seen in the filmmaking medium, and I feel as though his movies resonate with me in very personal ways. Here's why - SPOILERS AHEAD. 1. Dazed and Confused. I was 14 when this came out, a freshman in high school and the character Mitch was something of an analog for all of us at that age. I had an older sister in high school so I was able to befriend the older kids and they really helped shape my high school experience. But this movie just captures that moment in time so effortlessly. Is it the "best movie" I've ever seen? No, but it makes me gloriously happy and I watch it every year at the onset of summer. I guess I had just never really thought about the movie as more than a great comedy or as a vital piece of Linklater's CV but it really is a microcosm of what he's best at - moments in time. 2. Boyhood. Same thing. Is it the "best movie" I've ever seen? No, but dammit if I didn't truly feel like I grew up with Ellar Coltrane during the course of this movie. Not all of the beats I can directly relate to, but many of them for sure. And whether you enjoyed this movie or not, it's impossible not to respect the ambition of what Linklater accomplished here. Again, there's no standout set piece or anything like that; just characterizations against the backdrop of moments in time. The conversation tells the story and drives the plot, rather than the other way around. 3. Before Trilogy. So I think Sunset is the "best" of the 3 for reasons I'll get into below, but Sunrise stuck to my ribs in a particular way. I fancy myself as a film purist and while masterofallgoons and Jep know more about the art of it than I do, I'm a sucker for the simple things, a good script, committed performances and beautiful camerawork and that's what this entire trilogy is. This is really film in its purist form as it's just two people talking. Basically for 100 minutes, 80 minutes and 110 minutes. That's it. And yet, their characters become so clearly defined, they evolve over the trilogy, they learn, they grow, they regress and in the end, they're excruciatingly real and flawed. Sunrise in particular really resonated with me. When I was 25, I backpacked around Europe, often aimlessly the way Jesse does here. I considered myself worldly and intelligent (in hindsight, I didn't know shit) and did my best to project that as best as possible, to avoid the "ignorant American" cliche, which is something that Ethan Hawke's Jesse is keenly aware of. I met people that became long-lasting friends, some were women that I had a great time with and one in particular that I really felt a strong connection with, not unlike what happens in Sunrise. But I often went to places with no real agenda, just wanted to soak them in. I'll end up at a museum here, a random show there, a walk down the river, a bite to eat, and amazing personal interludes all along the way. Heightening the charisma and connection between the two leads in Sunrise is the city of Vienna itself, which is a vibrant character in the film, as is Linklater's obvious literary appreciation - there are Ulysses references EVERYWHERE, the film even takes place on Bloomsday - and their first kiss occurs on the ferris wheel from The Third Man. While the ending is beautiful and heartbreaking, there's one scene earlier on where the characters are in the listening booth at the record store. They're still learning about each other, listening to a song, there's no dialogue and for 2 minutes or they're just smiling, feeling out the moment, taking turns looking at each other but not trying to get caught doing so, it's excellent in its simplicity, and effortless in its complexity. And that's what this trilogy is. It's simple yet complex. Just two actors, walking through the streets, their conversations revealing everything about themselves. There's some exposition here and there but mostly it's done through storytelling. Lines in Midnight echo similar lines told in Sunrise, as if Sunrise is predicting what will ultimately happen to our characters in Midnight (which it kinda does). You feel for these characters because everyone has had that "one that got away" type of situation, everyone has fought with a loved one, everyone has questioned what it means to love and how that love changes over the years. I liked Sunset the best because I'm a sucker for stories told in real time, and the city of Paris is the perfect backdrop for the way the story evolves here. Reunited at last, it's awkward at first between the two, and each character puts up a sort of wall that slowly erodes over the course of the 80 minute runtime, culminating in one of the most satisfying endings that I've perhaps ever seen in a love story told on film. One other interesting tidbit I found is that you can watch Linklater mature as a filmmaker when you watch all 3. Sunrise is great but you can tell where Linklater has yet to hone his craft as a director. Sunset is a much crisper story and it's the "cleanest" of the 3 movies, in terms of where the characters start, and where they end up. Midnight is a master class in showing when the characters are aligned and when they're at odds and the third act is probably the single best "fight" I've ever seen two characters have. It's not just a straight line where things start out simple and then escalate to a point of no return and that's it. Here, things are fine, then an inciting incident, they fight, things simmer down, a character says something that re-starts the fight, things simmer down again, they drink a glass of wine, and then things go to 11. As that's how people fight in the real world, it feels so lived in and all the more harrowing. Plus, where Linklater is maturing, I feel myself maturing as a viewer. Not over the course of the past 3 days, but if I saw Sunrise when it came out (when I was 16), there's no way I would have enjoyed it. "Boring, stupid, nothing happens" would have been my thoughts. But now, I'm 41. I've loved, I've lost, I've yearned, I've traveled, I've met people who, even for just one night, felt like great friends and we really understood each other. Maybe it's the fact that we knew our time was finite, we made it count. Anyway, that was a ramble and I doubt anyone read all the way to the bottom but I needed a place to get my thoughts out. My wife certainly isn't interested in listening to me wax poetic with my amateur thoughts on film analysis and story structure so you guys are it! EDIT: Slacker, Waking Life (a widely unseen gem) and School of Rock are also great, just didn't fit into the narrative I was going for here. I wanted to compliment you on this post, but I don't have much to add to the conversation. I think Boyhood and Before Sunrise are the only Linklater flicks I've seen. Both good films, but I haven't had any reason to revisit them and I never did see the 'Before' sequels. There's a certain charm to stories about youth (and sure enough, the older you get the more you realize even your early 20s is 'youth'); a magical element to experiencing things for the first time. Love, loss, school, work, friendship, the fading of friendship, etc. They make for excellent storytelling because everyone can relate to them one way or the other. Reading this made me want to revisit Before Sunrise and maybe check out the sequels. I bet there's a meta quality to watching 'love story' sequels that take place so far apart; the energy of the relationship to the film isn't quite the same as the original, much like the relationship playing out onscreen. You ever date a girl, break up, and then end up dating her again later on? It's a weird feeling. It's not the same, it's more like friends with benefits because the 'getting to know you' passion can't be replicated no matter how hard you try. It's not quite the same situation in the 'Before' films, but I'm curious to see if the sequels capture that vibe at all. You may end up thinking about people you've been close with from time to time, and though there's a bit of sadness, not so much regret, but a 'what if' to some of those thoughts, you know you're better off where you are, and you're where you are because you experienced those things. Same can be said of work, for that matter. Nostalgia is never only about the past. It's the idea that all of these moments, these experiences made you who you are. It's life.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 2, 2020 22:58:59 GMT
requiem for a dream
rips your guts out - great soundtrack too with an epic masterpiece
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 4, 2020 15:58:53 GMT
A new Godzilla vs. Kong picture has dropped Warner Brothers has announced all of it's movies for 2021 will be released in theaters but also streaming on HBOMAX on the same day
Movie Theaters must be ticked
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 16:04:02 GMT
A new Godzilla vs. Kong picture has dropped Warner Brothers has announced all of it's movies for 2021 will be released on the same day in theaters but will also be streamed on HBOMAX I'm liking the HBOMAX thing. The only two movies I'm looking forward to, Dune and The Many Saints of Newark, will be there.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 4, 2020 16:08:06 GMT
I'm liking the HBOMAX thing. The only two movies I'm looking forward to, Dune and The Many Saints of Newark, will be there.
Think it would be a good idea to watch all of the Sopranos before I view 'The Many Saints of New York'?
I saw all of Season 1, parts of 2 and 3 - few of the rest of the episodes - and then the final season
I think I've got the general gist of things being I saw the beginning and end
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 16:22:49 GMT
I'm liking the HBOMAX thing. The only two movies I'm looking forward to, Dune and The Many Saints of Newark, will be there.
Think it would be a good idea to watch all of the Sopranos before I view 'The Many Saints of New York'?
I saw all of Season 1, parts of 2 and 3 - few of the rest of the episodes - and then the final season
I think I've got the general gist of things being I saw the beginning and end
The Many Saints takes place during the Newark Riots of 1967. I would imagine a person could probably catch on if they knew The Sopranos wasn't about opera. James Gandolfifi's son Michael plays Tony Soprano.
I'm actually looking forward to Dune more. My one nerd thing is Dune. Read all the books, both the originals and the prequels, a ton. I'm not a fan of Star Trek at all, a causal fan of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, so I can't figure out why I got into Dune. I even somewhat liked the David Lynch meandering mess of a movie. This one looks 100x better
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 4, 2020 16:27:09 GMT
Think it would be a good idea to watch all of the Sopranos before I view 'The Many Saints of New York'?
I saw all of Season 1, parts of 2 and 3 - few of the rest of the episodes - and then the final season
I think I've got the general gist of things being I saw the beginning and end
The Many Saints takes place during the Newark Riots of 1967. I would imagine a person could probably catch on if they knew The Sopranos wasn't about opera. James Gandolfifi's son Michael plays Tony Soprano.
I'm actually looking forward to Dune more. My one nerd thing is Dune. Read all the books, both the originals and the prequels, a ton. I'm not a fan of Star Trek at all, a causal fan of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, so I can't figure out why I got into Dune. I even somewhat liked the David Lynch meandering mess of a movie. This one looks 100x better
Did this movie ripoff Hellraiser?
There's a box - and the question is asked - 'What's in the box'?
Reply - 'Pain'
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 4, 2020 16:29:28 GMT
Think it would be a good idea to watch all of the Sopranos before I view 'The Many Saints of New York'?
I saw all of Season 1, parts of 2 and 3 - few of the rest of the episodes - and then the final season
I think I've got the general gist of things being I saw the beginning and end
The Many Saints takes place during the Newark Riots of 1967. I would imagine a person could probably catch on if they knew The Sopranos wasn't about opera. James Gandolfifi's son Michael plays Tony Soprano.
I'm actually looking forward to Dune more. My one nerd thing is Dune. Read all the books, both the originals and the prequels, a ton. I'm not a fan of Star Trek at all, a causal fan of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, so I can't figure out why I got into Dune. I even somewhat liked the David Lynch meandering mess of a movie. This one looks 100x better
I am really looking forward to Dune as well. I am re-reading the book now, actually. I do hope I will have a chance to see it on the biggest screen possible, on IMAX preferably.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 18:09:01 GMT
The Many Saints takes place during the Newark Riots of 1967. I would imagine a person could probably catch on if they knew The Sopranos wasn't about opera. James Gandolfifi's son Michael plays Tony Soprano.
I'm actually looking forward to Dune more. My one nerd thing is Dune. Read all the books, both the originals and the prequels, a ton. I'm not a fan of Star Trek at all, a causal fan of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, so I can't figure out why I got into Dune. I even somewhat liked the David Lynch meandering mess of a movie. This one looks 100x better
Did this movie ripoff Hellraiser?
There's a box - and the question is asked - 'What's in the box'?
Reply - 'Pain'
One small part of Dune.
And Dune has a plot, which puts it miles ahead of dreck like Hellraiser
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 4, 2020 18:11:31 GMT
The Many Saints takes place during the Newark Riots of 1967. I would imagine a person could probably catch on if they knew The Sopranos wasn't about opera. James Gandolfifi's son Michael plays Tony Soprano.
I'm actually looking forward to Dune more. My one nerd thing is Dune. Read all the books, both the originals and the prequels, a ton. I'm not a fan of Star Trek at all, a causal fan of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, so I can't figure out why I got into Dune. I even somewhat liked the David Lynch meandering mess of a movie. This one looks 100x better
I am really looking forward to Dune as well. I am re-reading the book now, actually. I do hope I will have a chance to see it on the biggest screen possible, on IMAX preferably.
I was leery at first because so many key characters weren't in the cast. Shaddam, Irulan, Feyd. I didn't realize it was going to be two movies.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 4, 2020 18:37:31 GMT
Did this movie ripoff Hellraiser?
There's a box - and the question is asked - 'What's in the box'?
Reply - 'Pain'
One small part of Dune.
And Dune has a plot, which puts it miles ahead of dreck like Hellraiser
Hey now, Hellraiser has one of the greatest plots in horror! A batshit wife kills random dudes trying to get into her pants and feeds them to her former loves(her husband's dead brother), so that he can re-grow his physical form, while minions of hell play soul-crushing chess in the shadows? None of us can top that.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 4, 2020 19:31:58 GMT
The Many Saints takes place during the Newark Riots of 1967. I would imagine a person could probably catch on if they knew The Sopranos wasn't about opera. James Gandolfifi's son Michael plays Tony Soprano.
I'm actually looking forward to Dune more. My one nerd thing is Dune. Read all the books, both the originals and the prequels, a ton. I'm not a fan of Star Trek at all, a causal fan of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, so I can't figure out why I got into Dune. I even somewhat liked the David Lynch meandering mess of a movie. This one looks 100x better
Did this movie ripoff Hellraiser?
There's a box - and the question is asked - 'What's in the box'?
Reply - 'Pain'
If we've learned anything from the latter sequels it's that anything can be a Hellraiser movie. Even a script that has nothing at all to do with the franchise.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 4, 2020 19:38:07 GMT
Did this movie ripoff Hellraiser?
There's a box - and the question is asked - 'What's in the box'?
Reply - 'Pain'
If we've learned anything from the latter sequels it's that anything can be a Hellraiser movie. Even a script that has nothing at all to do with the franchise. What's your opinion on 5,6 and 7
I'm one of the few who love them
I hear critics all the time stating they're really not Hellraiser movies and Pinhead was just thrown in to make them Hellraiser movies as there was some dispute with the production company - or the production company had to fulfill their contract to make more Hellraiser movies so Pinhead was just thrown in. Lots of stories/viewpoints on this depending on what you read
As far as 6 - Kirsty (from #1) is in - so that argument really doesn't hold up
5 - Inferno I think is the greatest sequel
It's a terrific crime/mystery/drama/thriller/horror IMO - a lot of people complain that Pinhead only has a small role in these movies. Then I hear others combat that complaint with 'Well the Hellraiser movies were never about Pinhead anyway'.
To me the Hellraiser Universe has always been about somebody evil getting exactly what they have coming to them and Pinhead/The Cenobites are pretty much judge and jury
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 4, 2020 19:58:05 GMT
If we've learned anything from the latter sequels it's that anything can be a Hellraiser movie. Even a script that has nothing at all to do with the franchise. What's your opinion on 5,6 and 7
I'm one of the few who love them
I hear critics all the time stating they're really not Hellraiser movies and Pinhead was just thrown in to make them Hellraiser movies as there was some dispute with the production company - or the production company had to fulfill their contract to make more Hellraiser movies so Pinhead was just thrown in. Lots of stories/viewpoints on this depending on what you read
As far as 6 - Kirsty (from #1) is in - so that argument really doesn't hold up
5 - Inferno I think is the greatest sequel
It's a terrific crime/mystery/drama/thriller/horror IMO - a lot of people complain that Pinhead only has a small role in these movies. Then I hear others combat that complaint with 'Well the Hellraiser movies were never about Pinhead anyway'.
To me the Hellraiser Universe has always been about somebody evil getting exactly what they have coming to them and Pinhead/The Cenobites are pretty judge and jury
There isn't really any question about it, those movies were not meant to be sequels initially. They reworked scripts to fit into being Hellraiser movies by adding Pinhead into scripts that Dimension already owned. But, I kind of agree. Inferno is probably the most professional looking one and has the highest production values of any movie in the series. And the other ones you mentioned too. They're really not that bad, and some of the other sequels really are. But those ones, 5 6 and 7, are actually kind of interesting. The three of those are kind of the same where it's some sort of mystery that one character is trying to get to the bottom of, and it ends up unearthing their own demons and sins and that culminates in summoning literal demons in the form of the cenobites. And I do think that the fifth one is probably the best sequel. You could entirely remove Pinhead from that and it would still work. That's both damning it since it's not necessary for it to be a sequel, but it's also a compliment since it works at a narrative and character level outside of that. There's some good surrealist filmmaking in there for sure. It's no wonder that that director has gone on to make much bigger stuff. It's pretty well made. But all of the ensuing sequels after those that you mentioned are all horrible... although the most recent one was a step up from the truly terrible previous one.. and that Lance Hendrickson video game one was really fucking stupid. Just saw recently that Clive Barker is going to regain the rights to the property now. He's wanted to remake the first for a long time. But there's also an HBO series in the works that is supposed to be going into production soon from what I understand. I think Barker was asked to be involved in the series as well. Should be interesting to see how that goes.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 5, 2020 9:41:23 GMT
National Lampoons Christmas Vacation
A nice rebound from the dire and bleak 'European Vacation'
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 6, 2020 9:26:30 GMT
Identity
John Cusack, Ray Liotta
Fun thriller/horror - with a twist ending
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