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Post by moviemouth on Mar 30, 2020 2:54:20 GMT
I LOVE the insane twist ending. That is actually the reason it is one of my favorite movies. It is awesomely far fetched and I have never seen anything quite like it at that point. It isn't as if it comes out of nowhere, the whole courthouse subplot is directly tied to the twist. Those parts would make no sense without the ending. I need to watch that again, the ending is pretty out there, but I don't think it ruined it for me and it was an enjoyable ride. I love movies about multiple personality disorder, no matter how far fetched. It is such an interesting twist to me that it is all taking place in his mind. I also love movies about that subject no matter how far fetched as well. The whole movie is just a very entertaining combination of a lot of subjects that I am interested in.
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Post by mattgarth on Mar 30, 2020 2:55:53 GMT
NO WAY OUT (1987) After all of Costner's heroics on behalf of his country for 112 minutes, it turns out in the final four minutes that he's really 'Yuri,' a Russian mole planted years ago. not to mention a shitty accent to boot as well. Although it was a shade better than his Boston accent in THIRTEEN DAYS. Bruce Greenwood (JFK) and Steven Culp (RFK) left him in the dust.
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Post by theravenking on Mar 30, 2020 18:48:28 GMT
Identity (2003). Woeful waste of a promising premise. To me this has one of the most infuriating endings. But surprisingly quite a few people seem to like it.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Mar 30, 2020 19:51:53 GMT
NO WAY OUT (1987) After all of Costner's heroics on behalf of his country for 112 minutes, it turns out in the final four minutes that he's really 'Yuri,' a Russian mole planted years ago. That twist came from out of left field for me.
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 30, 2020 20:30:17 GMT
NO WAY OUT (1987) After all of Costner's heroics on behalf of his country for 112 minutes, it turns out in the final four minutes that he's really 'Yuri,' a Russian mole planted years ago. That twist came from out of left field for me. I've refrained from criticizing the film because I've only seen the last 45 minutes or so and remained open to the possibility there were clues earlier. Looks like it was just poor filmmaking.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Apr 11, 2020 4:34:58 GMT
'The Duff' (2015), when the message was supposed to be "it's what inside that counts."
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 20:48:49 GMT
Identity (2003). Woeful waste of a promising premise. I LOVE the insane twist ending. That is actually the reason it is one of my favorite movies. It is awesomely far fetched and I have never seen anything quite like it at that point. It isn't as if it comes out of nowhere, the whole courthouse subplot is directly tied to the twist. Those parts would make no sense without the ending. Isn't it just the Fight Club ending in an era where everything had to have the Fight Club ending? It might be more foreshadowed than something like High Tension or Secret Window, but these movies all seemed to just stop the actually interesting story going on for an easy gotcha. Identity is especially sad because I loved the And Then There Were None riff up until then. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 14, 2021 21:10:13 GMT
I LOVE the insane twist ending. That is actually the reason it is one of my favorite movies. It is awesomely far fetched and I have never seen anything quite like it at that point. It isn't as if it comes out of nowhere, the whole courthouse subplot is directly tied to the twist. Those parts would make no sense without the ending. Isn't it just the Fight Club ending in an era where everything hadbto have the Fight Club ending? It might be more foreshadowed than something like High Tension or Secret Window, but these movies all seemed to just stop the actually interesting story going on for an easy gotcha. Identity is especially sad because I loved the And Then There Were None riff up until then. I saw Identity before the other movies besides Fight Club and I dislike the other 2. That makes a big difference for me. I mean that in Identity the whole movie takes place in his head, not just the characters. I loved that it turned out that the Agatha Christie plot-line was just a means to get rid of all of his other identities and the way that it is slowly revealed just left my draw dropped when it happened. I specifically like it so much because of the combining of And Then There Were None and the Fight Club style twist. It took me by surprise in a way few movies have. I love the interactions between all the characters and the slasher movies way it goes about everything. It has some of the best atmosphere of any movie I have seen. John Cusack's realization scene in one of my favorite moments in any movie and it is done in a way that is extremely visceral, like I am finding out that I am just a figment of someone's imagination. I liked the movie until the twist. After the twist I liked it a lot more. I also love the little edition that the original hotel clerk was dead before anyone even got to the motel, adding to the DID psychology/pseudo-psychology aspect of the movie. I might just like Fight Club style twists a lot more than you.
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Post by moviemouth on May 14, 2021 22:01:38 GMT
I LOVE the insane twist ending. That is actually the reason it is one of my favorite movies. It is awesomely far fetched and I have never seen anything quite like it at that point. It isn't as if it comes out of nowhere, the whole courthouse subplot is directly tied to the twist. Those parts would make no sense without the ending. Isn't it just the Fight Club ending in an era where everything had to have the Fight Club ending? It might be more foreshadowed than something like High Tension or Secret Window, but these movies all seemed to just stop the actually interesting story going on for an easy gotcha. Identity is especially sad because I loved the And Then There Were None riff up until then. I thought of one of the main reasons I personally find the movie so effective. The real mystery isn;t who is killing everybody, it is what does the courthouse plot-line have to do with the motel plot-line. We know there is a connection, but we have no idea what the connection is. They feel like 2 different movies in one and then we find out what the link is and it makes both come together gloriously imo. The courthouse scenes are like an elephant in the room and the most suspenseful aspect of the movie is waiting to see what the link is.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 22:54:22 GMT
I might just like Fight Club style twists a lot more than you. Probably. It's a twist that automatically knocks a work down for me, first because it generally renders everything before it pointless, and second because it got so overdone and is never as shocking as the creator thinks it is. As for whodunnit vs asylum, I was a lot more interested in the whodunnit, even after that DID twist. I thought, in what I assume was the intention, that Cussie was in a mental institution from trauma over the motel events and I was never really on edge linking the two storylines.
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Post by moviemouth on May 14, 2021 23:10:37 GMT
Probably. It's a twist that automatically knocks a work down for me, first because it generally renders everything before it pointless, and second because it got so overdone and is never as shocking as the creator thinks it is. As for whodunnit vs asylum, I was a lot more interested in the whodunnit, even after that DID twist. I thought, in what I assume was the intention, that Cussie was in a mental institution from trauma over the motel events and I was never really on edge linking the two storylines. That never even occurred to me for some reason. Probably because the movie says he is being sentenced to death and the only character he could have been was the child, but characters are using modern cell phones. To me it felt like everything was happening at the same time. We also know that the crimes he was convicted of only took place 4 years before the present and at apartments.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 23:21:14 GMT
That never even occurred to me for some reason. Probably because the movie says he is being sentenced to death and the only character he could have been was the child[/] but characters are using modern cell phones. To me it felt like everything was happening at the same time. But Cusack is present at the motel as the limo driver? We don't find out asylum Cusack is actually Pruit Taylor Vince until later, right? |
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Post by moviemouth on May 14, 2021 23:23:51 GMT
But Cusack is present at the motel as the limo driver? We don't find out asylum Cusack is actually Pruit Taylor Vince until later, right? That is correct obviously. If we knew Cusack was him it would have ruined the twist. I guess I don't understand your point. You are suggesting that the movie is trying to make us think the movie is taking place a long time ago, but there are modern things during the motel scenes. On top of that the murders that he is accused of took place at an apartment, not a motel. So for me it didn't make sense that the motel scenes were some childhood trauma or his killing spree.
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Post by MCDemuth on May 14, 2021 23:30:16 GMT
Superman able to turn back time. That's the one thing, I hate about the Donner Cut of Superman II Superman going nuts over the death of Lois in Superman I, and finding some hidden faster-than-light-speed power within him to save her, was one thing... But casually being able to undo the entire movie of Superman II, so everything we just spent two hours watching, never happened... is stupid beyond belief... And will he do it again in III, and IV, and in Returns?... Man Of Steel? BVS? Justice League? This makes him too powerful. There has to be lasting consequences.
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Post by moviemouth on May 14, 2021 23:37:52 GMT
Superman able to turn back time. That's the one thing, I hate about the Donner Cut of Superman II Superman going nuts over the death of Lois in Superman I, and finding some hidden faster-than-light-speed power within him to save her, was one thing... But casually being able to undo the entire movie of Superman II, so everything we just spent two hours watching, never happened... is stupid beyond belief... And will he do it again in III, and IV, and in Returns?... Man Of Steel? BVS? Justice League? This makes him too powerful. There has to be lasting consequences. In Superman II it is more used in a comedic way and that is why it works better than it does in the first movie, though I don't particularly like it in Superman II either. In the first movie it is meant to be dramatic, but comes off as ridiculous. His love was so powerful he could turn back time, which actually feels like a cop out to me and feels extremely corny and out of place too. Don't get me wrong, it is a cop out in II as well, but it is done in a very self-aware way and that makes it easier to go with.
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Post by moviemouth on May 14, 2021 23:48:15 GMT
But Cusack is present at the motel as the limo driver? We don't find out asylum Cusack is actually Pruit Taylor Vince until later, right? Another major thing that made me think they were taking place at more or less the same time is the rain storm. It is raining at the motel and at the courthouse. I will admit that the first scene with Peet during daytime threw me off a bit, but that is the only seen that isn't at night in the rain.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 23:48:32 GMT
But Cusack is present at the motel as the limo driver? We don't find out asylum Cusack is actually Pruit Taylor Vince until later, right? That is correct obviously. If we knew Cusack was him it would have ruined the twist. I guess I don't understand your point. You are suggesting that the movie is trying to make us think the movie is taking place a long time ago, but there are modern things during the motel scenes. On top of that the murders that he is accused of took place at an apartment, not a motel. So for me it didn't make sense that the motel scenes were some childhood trauma or his killing spree. Well, I didn't intended to suggest that. Because Cusack hasn't aged much, we'd have to infer the hotel murders were only a few years or even months before tbe asylum. I must have missed them saying he was accused of different murders. I also haven't seen it in 17 years, so I could just be misremembering my thoughts. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 14, 2021 23:52:21 GMT
That is correct obviously. If we knew Cusack was him it would have ruined the twist. I guess I don't understand your point. You are suggesting that the movie is trying to make us think the movie is taking place a long time ago, but there are modern things during the motel scenes. On top of that the murders that he is accused of took place at an apartment, not a motel. So for me it didn't make sense that the motel scenes were some childhood trauma or his killing spree. Well, I didn't intended to suggest that. Because Cusack hasn't aged much, we'd have to infer the hotel murders were only a few years or even months before tbe asylum. I must have missed them saying he was accused of different murders. I also haven't seen it in 17 years, so I could just be misremembering my thoughts. I have only seen it 5 times, not 17 and I did just check on Hulu to make sure I was remembering right. The murders were 4 years before and they show pictures of the victims in the opening scene and all 6 were stabbed.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 1:41:52 GMT
Well, I didn't intended to suggest that. Because Cusack hasn't aged much, we'd have to infer the hotel murders were only a few years or even months before tbe asylum. I must have missed them saying he was accused of different murders. I also haven't seen it in 17 years, so I could just be misremembering my thoughts. I have only seen it 5 times, not 17 and I did just check on Hulu to make sure I was remembering right. The murders were 4 years before and they show pictures of the victims in the opening scene and all 6 were stabbed. Years, not times, and I was referring to myself. Are you okay, man? This conversation feels all over the place. So the victims in the pictures were different people and not the personalities at the hotel? Idr.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 15, 2021 1:53:34 GMT
One of my favorite movies is the Bad Seed, but it’s ending hurts it. I know, the stupid Hays Code, but I wish the film could have a version where the last stupid part is edited out now. The scene with Rhoda and her father is perfect, roll the credits there like they’re supposed to!
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