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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 22:32:08 GMT
I often wonder whether the harsh sentences for atheism in Muslim nations is motivated more by fear (i.e. similar to the way that 'safe spaces' seek to shelter students from ideas different to the ones that they cherish at western universities), or simply the desire to control the population. I think that the people behind 'safe spaces' at universities would heartily agree with the ethos of banning expressions of atheism in order to protect the beliefs of Muslims, although not the extreme punishment that is favoured by governments in Muslim majority nations. In any case, here is the relevant news article: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.html |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 26, 2017 22:49:38 GMT
You do realize that other religions, such as Christianity, face the death penalty as well for blasphemy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 22:54:17 GMT
You do realize that other religions, such as Christianity, face the death penalty as well for blasphemy? Yes, I do. But the point is that the harsh penalties for blasphemy may be a symptom of fear - fear of losing one's own religion. Because whether it is a Christian openly practicing his religion, or an atheist promoting the rejection of religion, it is exposing people to ideas which challenge their deeply cherished beliefs, to which they have devoted their entire life. Even in the case of the Christian, who also doesn't have any evidence to corroborate his beliefs, the Muslim population has to confront the fact that someone has reached a radically different conclusion with the same amount of evidence (none). |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 26, 2017 23:04:34 GMT
Is the Internet heavily regulated over there? That's often a good tool for free speech and combating religiosity, but I'm guessing the Arab government heavily censors it.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 26, 2017 23:04:43 GMT
Circle of Life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 23:09:46 GMT
Is the Internet heavily regulated over there? That's often a good tool for free speech and combating religiosity, but I'm guessing the Arab government heavily censors it. I think so. And if you post any content on the internet questioning the existence of Allah, much less mocking or criticising the religion of Islam, you have a very big price to pay. |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 26, 2017 23:33:58 GMT
Is the Internet heavily regulated over there? That's often a good tool for free speech and combating religiosity, but I'm guessing the Arab government heavily censors it. In any Muslim country with Sharia law, there is no such thing as "free speech". That would include the internet. However, the internet is also monitored and regulated in other, non-Muslim countries as well like Russia, China, and North Korea. Though these are not Muslim countries, nor countries that are particularly "religious", they are countries run by either dictators, or a system of government that is based on distrust of the general populace. Curtailing free speech (in any form) and limiting the exchange of information are tools designed to exercise a degree of power and control over any given population. And that's exactly what Sharia law is designed to do in Muslim countries. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Apr 26, 2017 23:39:57 GMT
I often wonder whether the harsh sentences for atheism in Muslim nations is motivated more by fear (i.e. similar to the way that 'safe spaces' seek to shelter students from ideas different to the ones that they cherish at western universities), or simply the desire to control the population. I think that the people behind 'safe spaces' at universities would heartily agree with the ethos of banning expressions of atheism in order to protect the beliefs of Muslims, although not the extreme punishment that is favoured by governments in Muslim majority nations. In any case, here is the relevant news article: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.htmlall religions use fear as a tactic of control. what would be the point of operating a religion if you can't control the supplicants? |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 26, 2017 23:59:04 GMT
I often wonder whether the harsh sentences for atheism in Muslim nations is motivated more by fear (i.e. similar to the way that 'safe spaces' seek to shelter students from ideas different to the ones that they cherish at western universities), or simply the desire to control the population. I think that the people behind 'safe spaces' at universities would heartily agree with the ethos of banning expressions of atheism in order to protect the beliefs of Muslims, although not the extreme punishment that is favoured by governments in Muslim majority nations. In any case, here is the relevant news article: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.htmlall religions use fear as a tactic of control. what would be the point of operating a religion if you can't control the supplicants? Exactly, you cannot spiritually blackmail people effectively unless you present some kind of punishment for those who do not obey 'Gods law'. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 27, 2017 0:05:38 GMT
I often wonder whether the harsh sentences for atheism in Muslim nations is motivated more by fear (i.e. similar to the way that 'safe spaces' seek to shelter students from ideas different to the ones that they cherish at western universities), or simply the desire to control the population. I think that the people behind 'safe spaces' at universities would heartily agree with the ethos of banning expressions of atheism in order to protect the beliefs of Muslims, although not the extreme punishment that is favoured by governments in Muslim majority nations. In any case, here is the relevant news article: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.htmlall religions use fear as a tactic of control. what would be the point of operating a religion if you can't control the supplicants? Supplicants, by definition, wouldn't need controlling. A good religion allows people to leave and usually aren't a part of a government.They aren't hard to find |
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Post by maya55555 on Apr 27, 2017 2:08:11 GMT
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Where?
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Post by dividavi on Apr 27, 2017 3:02:03 GMT
I often wonder whether the harsh sentences for atheism in Muslim nations is motivated more by fear (i.e. similar to the way that 'safe spaces' seek to shelter students from ideas different to the ones that they cherish at western universities), or simply the desire to control the population. I think that the people behind 'safe spaces' at universities would heartily agree with the ethos of banning expressions of atheism in order to protect the beliefs of Muslims, although not the extreme punishment that is favoured by governments in Muslim majority nations. In any case, here is the relevant news article: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.htmlWell, wonder no more. The people of Saudi Arabia overwhelmingly support the insane legal system in their country. Want proof? Go to Wikipedia and check on the Egyptian parliamentary elections of 2011-2012 where the Muslim Brotherhood got 37.5% of the vote and the even nuttier Salafists got 27.8%. That was a free election and the Egyptian electorate voted in an Islamist parliament. The same thing happened in Algeria in 1991-1992. In democratic Afghanistan the parliament allows a Shiite man to starve his wife should she refuse him sex. KSA is an evil country and Islam is an evil religion. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 27, 2017 3:21:43 GMT
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Post by swimm on Apr 27, 2017 8:48:56 GMT
Yup and twitter is filled with Muslims celebrating this.
Also isn't Saudia Arabia in charge of a human rights council in the UN? And were just elected to run womens rights as well.
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Post by tickingmask on Apr 27, 2017 10:12:21 GMT
I often wonder whether the harsh sentences for atheism in Muslim nations is motivated more by fear (i.e. similar to the way that 'safe spaces' seek to shelter students from ideas different to the ones that they cherish at western universities), or simply the desire to control the population. Firstly, the sentence of death was for apostasy, not for being atheist. Mr Shamri’s sentence in all probability would have been the same regardless whether he became an atheist, or a Christian, or a Buddhist, or whatever. Renouncing Islam is what did it.
Secondly it has nothing to do with fear - apostasy is simply a criminal offence in Saudi Arabia. There's no point reading any more into it than that. If somebody decided to take off all their clothes and walk around naked, and as a result got arrested for breaking public decency laws, it's not because the authorities are fearful that everybody else might start taking off their clothes if they don't clamp down on nudity and shelter their population from entertaining such thoughts. It's just because the law, rightly or wrongly, says that public nudity is illegal, that's all.
(Edit) Oh and anybody who says that "all religions are like this, just want to control their supplicants, blah, blah" is an idiot. Most religious people don't think people should be put to death for apostasy. Indeed, I'd venture to guess that most Muslims don't think that either, although the proportion of those who do does worry me somewhat.
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Post by tickingmask on Apr 27, 2017 12:56:05 GMT
yet it gets promoted that we need to be tolerant, accepting and respecting of others customs and way of life. Why? Because if we stop being tolerant, accepting and respecting of others customs and way of life we end up being like Saudi Arabia. Silly question. |
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 27, 2017 15:00:51 GMT
I often wonder whether the harsh sentences for atheism in Muslim nations is motivated more by fear (i.e. similar to the way that 'safe spaces' seek to shelter students from ideas different to the ones that they cherish at western universities), or simply the desire to control the population. I think that the people behind 'safe spaces' at universities would heartily agree with the ethos of banning expressions of atheism in order to protect the beliefs of Muslims, although not the extreme punishment that is favoured by governments in Muslim majority nations. In any case, here is the relevant news article: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.htmlWell, wonder no more. The people of Saudi Arabia overwhelmingly support the insane legal system in their country. Want proof? Go to Wikipedia and check on the Egyptian parliamentary elections of 2011-2012 where the Muslim Brotherhood got 37.5% of the vote and the even nuttier Salafists got 27.8%. That was a free election and the Egyptian electorate voted in an Islamist parliament. The same thing happened in Algeria in 1991-1992. In democratic Afghanistan the parliament allows a Shiite man to starve his wife should she refuse him sex. KSA is an evil country and Islam is an evil religion. That is not overwhelmingly. Also not everyone who votes for a party agrees with all of their policies so that could be lower. Also how does one radical brand of Islam make all of Islam evil? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 15:08:40 GMT
christians in the west always seem so jealous about stuff like this.
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Post by chasallnut on Apr 27, 2017 15:16:52 GMT
christians in the west always seem so jealous about stuff like this. Which Christians in the west would that be? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 15:20:35 GMT
christians in the west always seem so jealous about stuff like this. Which Christians in the west would that be? Those evil Methodists that you always see blowing themselves up on the news. |
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