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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 15:51:57 GMT
@superdude6090 Because 1) USA's population is 5 times the size of Britain's and 2) for the same reasons as the UK, education(teaching kids that they're evolved apes, that there's no God to be accountable to and that morality is completely subjective) and secularism. Brainwashing through immoral music and media also plays a part. You think because there's a separation of church and state in public schools that children aren't taught about God. Have you even been to America do you have any idea how many religious school and churches there are? They have 280 million Christians in America which is 78% of the population. 62% of them are members of a church congregation. So that's 160 million Americans roughly half of their population attend church. They have far more church going Christians than we do and yet they take drugs and impregnate each other,rob and kill each other in far higher rates than secular Britain does. And if you want to believe it's due to secularism and Immoral music then you're an even bigger fool than I thought. If Christianity made people more moral then America would be one of the safest places on earth,it doesn't so it's not. And don't get me started on Catholic Brazil. For one thing i never said anything about church attendance. That's not what makes you a Christian anyway. I was talking about actually following the teachings of NT and applying it to ones life. The UK has mostly abandoned that and USA is going the same way Where are you getting this 160million American attendee church figures from? Because there are figures to the contrary, some as low as less than 20% and readily declining.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 16:06:50 GMT
You think because there's a separation of church and state in public schools that children aren't taught about God. Have you even been to America do you have any idea how many religious school and churches there are? They have 280 million Christians in America which is 78% of the population. 62% of them are members of a church congregation. So that's 160 million Americans roughly half of their population attend church. They have far more church going Christians than we do and yet they take drugs and impregnate each other,rob and kill each other in far higher rates than secular Britain does. And if you want to believe it's due to secularism and Immoral music then you're an even bigger fool than I thought. If Christianity made people more moral then America would be one of the safest places on earth,it doesn't so it's not. And don't get me started on Catholic Brazil. For one thing i never said anything about church attendance. That's not what makes you a Christian anyway. I was talking about actually following the teachings of NT and applying it to ones life. The UK has mostly abandoned that and USA is going the same way Where are you getting this 160million American attendee church figures from? Because there are figures to the contrary, some as low as less than 20% and readily declining. The numbers come out at 46% despite the wishful thinking of atheist papers like Huffpro who claim the people polled were lying about their church attendance. assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2015/11/201.11.03_RLS_II_full_report.pdf
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Post by THawk on Jun 10, 2017 18:53:47 GMT
The vast following of stars such as Grande, the increasing pornification of "regular" clothing, the pornified vastly popular TV shows, the abandonment of spirituality, the growing reliance on drugs and alcohol -- and, subsequently, the growing suicide rates because many fail to achieve the standards of an overly sexualized society, and the growing income inequality gap because of the worship of capitalism, are all very highly documented, unmissable and unavoidable pieces of evidence of the shallowness of Western culture. No. I just googled a few statistics, and came to the conclusion that there is no significant difference between drug consumption in the West and the Non-West, and there also is no trend that drug consumption is growing in the West, and there also is no significant difference in suicide rates. Income inequality may be a problem; but I believe that it's worse in the Non-West than in the West. As for why this is a bad thing - let's start back at the dawn of time? Every single last instance of human progress, be it in philosophy or architecture or science or anything at all, has been based on humans seeking to transcend their base natures, relying on reason, and on the spirit, on ambition, on something beyond ourselves. Western hedonism, very long story short, is basically about where and how often you stick your genitals in. And that's what you are defending. As a very good friend of yours would say...."Sad." I don't know what "good friend" you have in mind, but your description of Western hedonism is as unfounded as it was the first time you said it. And in my opinion progress was not made because humans wanted to transcend their base natures; it was made because humans wanted to make life easier. Drug use in the "non-West" is a topic of its own, but specifically looking at suicide rates in America : They have been climbing steadily since the new millennium. Especially for adolescent girls, aka the "empowered" audience of Grande and the legions of other "role models" : www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/04/22/474888854/suicide-rates-climb-in-u-s-especially-among-adolescent-girlsThe suicide rate has risen for nearly every age group, despite the increasing secularization and increasing material comforts of the West. Far, far from a coincidence. Drug use in America on the rise: drugfree.org/learn/drug-and-alcohol-news/new-data-show-millions-of-americans-with-alcohol-and-drug-addiction-could-benefit-from-health-care-reform/Drug use, overdose deaths on the rise in Europe: euobserver.com/justice/138137For Europe in general suicide stats aren't that easy to find it seems, but I can confirm, both from personal experience and data, that heavily liberal and materialistic societies like Ireland plunge deeper and deeper into drug addiction and suicides no matter how far to the left they move: www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ireland-has-exceptionally-high-rates-of-suicide-1.1732791
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Post by phludowin on Jun 10, 2017 19:25:43 GMT
If the suicide rates are lower in poor countries, it's because people there have a shorter life expectancy; also thanks to religious people who prevent medical progress from happening. Girls who die from complications due to FGM, or are aborted before birth, will of course never reach adolescence, and not commit suicide as adolescents. How many people are trying to leave Non-Western countries for the West? And how many are going in the other direction? Rhetorical question. The West is best.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 11, 2017 1:15:15 GMT
The West is sadly coming to its end. Like the Western Roman Empire. The ruling class have become decadent and removed from the people.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 11, 2017 12:01:34 GMT
The suicide rate has risen for nearly every age group, despite the increasing secularization and increasing material comforts of the West. Far, far from a coincidence. You couldn't find data tying secularization to suicide rates if your life depended on it. In fact, any sane analysis of the data suggests secularization is tied to a higher quality of life in one's society: www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2011/05/non-religious-nations-have-higher.htmlYour entire agenda is based on your bizarre ideology and personal psychological issues. There is no connection to objective reality here, which is why all you can do is hopelessly cherry pick random bits of information and then pretend that the context and causes are related to your fantasies. They aren't.
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Post by phludowin on Jun 11, 2017 12:55:44 GMT
The West is sadly coming to its end. Like the Western Roman Empire. The ruling class have become decadent and removed from the people. Oswald Spengler already said 100 years ago that the West would decline. But the West still exists; unlike the Soviet Union. And the former Second World might no longer be Stalinist; but overall, they are not worse off then during Stalin's times. And even if the West came to an end (whatever that means), it would not be the end of the world. All landmasses that existed during the Western Roman Empire still exist and are habitable.
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 11, 2017 14:51:15 GMT
There are very little, if any, centrist, moderate, and reasonable societies left in the world. What would you consider to be centrist and/or moderate to begin with? Forgetting the fact that what is "moderate" is completely subjective and circumstantial, where do you set this arbitrary bar? And can you even give one example of ANY society (at any time in human history) that's ever set such a standard? That would apply to any "exteme". But being radical in and of itself is not bad. Jesus was after all a radical in his own time. For the most part true. You mean what you arbitrarily define as "normal", and "tame". But objectively speaking, I think the vast majority of college graduates and attendees would disagree with you. And there in lies my point about the subjective nature of the term "moderate". You imposed that standard of normality onto college yourself. Again, what are you basing this on exactly? Your imagination doesn't count. What percentage of teenagers get involved in orgies? And how many of them hang out in nightclubs and bars? Because I'd wager to guess that it's in the single digits considering that you have to be 21 to hang out at those type of establishments in the USA. Because the other "magic word" you left out is LEGAL! That's ALWAYS been the case, in every type of society, in every time. So what's your point? What's morally relevant is whether or not your actions are "harmful" to other people, not whether they "affect" other people. That's an opinion, not a fact. And I for one would challenge that assertion using the very fact that most people who end up being successful in the liberal arts as well as more educated are LIBERALS, would have a higher tendency to be secular than religious. Those facts seem to stand in opposition to your opinion. Well I don't know anyone who has ever made Hitler comparisons except religious fundamentalists, but your argument is represented of one who is a prude (according to the dictionary definition of the word). So that would be an accurate statement. And, do you claim that you are NOT a religious fundamentalist? I'd say the most conservative societies in the world meet that description. The most liberal societies in the world are ruled by people who value the welfare of the society as a whole (socialists), while the USA as the chief capitalist nation in the world is ruled by MONEY 💰!
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 11, 2017 16:06:14 GMT
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