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Post by captainbryce on Apr 30, 2017 21:29:11 GMT
It seems that more than one person has approached me under the assumption that I am of a specific religious background, so for clarification I just wanted to let everyone know that...I am NOT a Jehovah's Witnesses and I'm am not part of any organized religion. I may argue in favor of or against a topic pertaining to Christianity, but I am not affiliated.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 30, 2017 21:31:50 GMT
Vegas Devil and Smithjgs have also been alleged to be JWs
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 30, 2017 21:33:48 GMT
Vegas Devil and Smithjgs have also been alleged to be JWs Don't know about jgs, but I thought Vegas Devil used to be a JW.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 30, 2017 21:36:14 GMT
Vegas Devil and Smithjgs have also been alleged to be JWs Don't know about jgs, but I thought Vegas Devil used to be a JW. Smithy has some connection with JWs but he has repeatedly said he is a non-denomination Christian. many of his family members are supposedly JWs. Vegas Devil was born in catholic family I guess but was inspired by JW for some time. I guess now he is agnostic.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 30, 2017 21:43:24 GMT
Vegas Devil and Smithjgs have also been alleged to be JWs I suspect the common thread being people who have made arguments against the Christian doctrine of Trinity are likely to be assumed JW since that is really the only major denomination that rejects Trinity.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 30, 2017 21:53:19 GMT
Vegas Devil and Smithjgs have also been alleged to be JWs Of course when people say this they are saying we are liars even though I would never have reason to be ashamed of being one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It was largely PD, isapop maybe, and some trinitarians. As I have said repeatedly, one cannot simply become a JW. It's easier to walk into Mordor. So even if I wanted to be one I don't qualify.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 30, 2017 21:54:30 GMT
Don't know about jgs, but I thought Vegas Devil used to be a JW.moo Smithy has some connection with JWs but he has repeatedly said he is a non-denomination Christian. many of his family members are supposedly JWs. Vegas Devil was born in catholic family I guess but was inspired by JW for some time. I guess now he is agnostic. Yay someone has a memory!
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Post by clusium on Apr 30, 2017 23:17:35 GMT
Vegas Devil and Smithjgs have also been alleged to be JWs Of course when people say this they are saying we are liars even though I would never have reason to be ashamed of being one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It was largely PD, isapop maybe, and some trinitarians. As I have said repeatedly, one cannot simply become a JW. It's easier to walk into Mordor. So even if I wanted to be one I don't qualify. And yet, JWs will bend over backwards to proselytize their religious beliefs.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 30, 2017 23:56:01 GMT
clusiumTo get bent out of shape about them doing what Jesus tells Christians to do is not only silly but borderline hypocritical. Knocking on someone's door is in no way the same thing as converting or baptizing them. It's a process and one that the people choose willingly once they match up to the expectations. The overwhelming majority such as myself say no thanks if they open the door at all.
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Post by captainbryce on May 1, 2017 0:18:10 GMT
Of course when people say this they are saying we are liars even though I would never have reason to be ashamed of being one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It was largely PD, isapop maybe, and some trinitarians. As I have said repeatedly, one cannot simply become a JW. It's easier to walk into Mordor. So even if I wanted to be one I don't qualify. And yet, JWs will bend over backwards to proselytize their religious beliefs. How does that make them different from any other Christian group? From my perspective, they all do that.
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Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 1:58:47 GMT
clusium To get bent out of shape about them doing what Jesus tells Christians to do is not only silly but borderline hypocritical. Knocking on someone's door is in no way the same thing as converting or baptizing them. It's a process and one that the people choose willingly once they match up to the expectations. The overwhelming majority such as myself say no thanks if they open the door at all. I don't get bent out of shape about JWs coming knocking on my door. I do the same as everyone else: Politely tell them 'No thanks,' or engage with them for a few moments. Nothing more.
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Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 2:00:04 GMT
And yet, JWs will bend over backwards to proselytize their religious beliefs. How does that make them different from any other Christian group? From my perspective, they all do that. I'm just making a comment regarding what the earlier poster said: Its very hard to become a JW.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 1, 2017 2:08:22 GMT
And yet, JWs will bend over backwards to proselytize their religious beliefs. How does that make them different from any other Christian group? From my perspective, they all do that. While I'm sure that is true, to my knowledge JWs and Mormons are the only ones that use the same tactics as annoying door to door salesmen.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2017 2:23:54 GMT
clusium To get bent out of shape about them doing what Jesus tells Christians to do is not only silly but borderline hypocritical. Knocking on someone's door is in no way the same thing as converting or baptizing them. It's a process and one that the people choose willingly once they match up to the expectations. The overwhelming majority such as myself say no thanks if they open the door at all. I don't get bent out of shape about JWs coming knocking on my door. I do the same as everyone else: Politely tell them 'No thanks,' or engage with them for a few moments. Nothing more. Ok, so whatever point you were trying to make was pointless since it had nothing to do with what I said.
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Post by captainbryce on May 1, 2017 10:57:42 GMT
How does that make them different from any other Christian group? From my perspective, they all do that. While I'm sure that is true, to my knowledge JWs and Mormons are the only ones that use the same tactics as annoying door to door salesmen. I've had baptists do that as well. But I actually respect that more than the televangelists that ask for money. At least the door to door groups are doing what Jesus supposedly did, so they are actually practicing the faith they claim to have.
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Post by captainbryce on May 1, 2017 11:00:29 GMT
How does that make them different from any other Christian group? From my perspective, they all do that. I'm just making a comment regarding what the earlier poster said: Its very hard to become a JW. Are you suggesting that it's easy to become one? Or are you saying that because it's hard to become one, evangelizing is a waste of time? What was your point exactly?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2017 15:18:27 GMT
How does that make them different from any other Christian group? From my perspective, they all do that. While I'm sure that is true, to my knowledge JWs and Mormons are the only ones that use the same tactics as annoying door to door salesmen. They're not exactly the same tactics since they aren't selling anything and they probably don't care about you as much as people think as far as goals are concerned. The command is to preach since they cannot control the conversion process.
They use similar tactic of anyone that knocks on a door though and the person decides how much time to spend with them. Most of my interactions with them are no more than a minute or two unless they are my family, but then they aren't knocking on my door unless it's to announce they are there for dinner.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 1, 2017 16:23:50 GMT
While I'm sure that is true, to my knowledge JWs and Mormons are the only ones that use the same tactics as annoying door to door salesmen. They're not exactly the same tactics since they aren't selling anything and they probably don't care about you as much as people think as far as goals are concerned. The command is to preach since they cannot control the conversion process.
They use similar tactic of anyone that knocks on a door though and the person decides how much time to spend with them. Most of my interactions with them are no more than a minute or two unless they are my family, but then they aren't knocking on my door unless it's to announce they are there for dinner.
"They're not exactly the same tactics since they aren't selling anything" They sell religion
"they probably don't care about you as much as people think as far as goals are concerned" The same could be said about salesmen
"The command is to preach since they cannot control the conversion process."
They chose to associate with a church that does door to door sales pithces, so in a way they do control the conversion process. The same could be said about salesmen, they chose a job that requires them to go door to door, they don't have a choice in the sales process.
"They use similar tactic of anyone that knocks on a door though and the person decides how much time to spend with them." So you tacitly admit they use the same tactics as door to door salesmen?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2017 16:40:01 GMT
They're not exactly the same tactics since they aren't selling anything and they probably don't care about you as much as people think as far as goals are concerned. The command is to preach since they cannot control the conversion process.
They use similar tactic of anyone that knocks on a door though and the person decides how much time to spend with them. Most of my interactions with them are no more than a minute or two unless they are my family, but then they aren't knocking on my door unless it's to announce they are there for dinner.
"They're not exactly the same tactics since they aren't selling anything" They sell religion
"they probably don't care about you as much as people think as far as goals are concerned" The same could be said about salesmen
"The command is to preach since they cannot control the conversion process."
They chose to associate with a church that does door to door sales pithces, so in a way they do control the conversion process.
"They use similar tactic of anyone that knocks on a door though and the person decides how much time to spend with them." So you tacitly admit they use the same tactics as door to door salesmen?
Well, they certainly advertise I which is what they are supposed to do, but there isn't really a purchase since it's free and voluntary and long term process with no strings attached.
However, I never quite understood what is implied. Even if they were the equivalent of vacuum salesmen, a person still needs to say yes to the transaction no matter how good the salesperson is...& to be clear there are some good ones in their faith.
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Post by captainbryce on May 1, 2017 17:25:13 GMT
They're not exactly the same tactics since they aren't selling anything and they probably don't care about you as much as people think as far as goals are concerned. The command is to preach since they cannot control the conversion process.
They use similar tactic of anyone that knocks on a door though and the person decides how much time to spend with them. Most of my interactions with them are no more than a minute or two unless they are my family, but then they aren't knocking on my door unless it's to announce they are there for dinner.
"They're not exactly the same tactics since they aren't selling anything" They sell religion
Really? How much are they charging people, and what percentage of the profits do they keep?
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