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Post by chasallnut on May 10, 2017 11:55:30 GMT
You could always try giving a straight answer. So, why would socialised health care you cant opt out of paying for be "fascism", and socialised education you cant opt out of paying for, not be? The answer 'because one is already done in the US, and one isnt' doesnt really answer the point being made. Because I agree to paying for the schools, but I do not agree to paying for the filthy evil socialized health care that takes away the choices over one's own body, young master. Hope that helps. What choices over one's own body does it take away? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 10, 2017 11:56:56 GMT
Because I agree to paying for the schools, but I do not agree to paying for the filthy evil socialized health care that takes away the choices over one's own body, young master. Hope that helps. What choices over one's own body does it take away? You figure it out, dickhead. |
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Post by puvo on May 10, 2017 12:01:54 GMT
As expected, you are too stupid to articulate any kind of point.  |
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Post by puvo on May 10, 2017 12:03:03 GMT
What choices over one's own body does it take away? You figure it out, dickhead. Oh my god, you are so bad at this, it's cringeworthy. |
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Post by chasallnut on May 10, 2017 12:04:06 GMT
What choices over one's own body does it take away? You figure it out, dickhead. If you can't answer it, say so, no need to get your panties in a bunch. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 12:35:24 GMT
What choices over one's own body does it take away? You figure it out, dickhead. Your patented response to any question that reveals the idiocy of your beliefs. |
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Post by theoncomingstorm on May 10, 2017 13:36:03 GMT
As much as Erjen complains about propaganda, he's the most gullible twit in history and so susceptible to propaganda that it would be laughable if it weren't so sad. He, being an imbecile, is the target audience of the Republican party in their smear campaign against socialized medicine and he was duped and can never man up and admit it. His childish gullibility leads him to believe in all those weird conspiracies, many of which originate from the same right-wing lunacy as anti-universal healthcare. This isn't to say the left (that's the American left) doesn't target gullible morons with their own propaganda (Guns are bad, mm'kay) but the right does it more often and, frankly, their propaganda is aimed at an even more simple-minded segment of the population. Erjen is, quite literally, Steve Bannon's idea of a "true American".
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 10, 2017 17:32:02 GMT
You figure it out, dickhead. If you can't answer it, say so, no need to get your panties in a bunch. How about this? Make socialized health care optional, like food stamps. Make it available to those who want it, and don't force it on those who don't want it. Do you find anything objectionable with that idea? |
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 10, 2017 17:43:53 GMT
What choices over one's own body does it take away? You figure it out, dickhead. "Because I couldn't...." |
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Post by chasallnut on May 10, 2017 17:55:57 GMT
If you can't answer it, say so, no need to get your panties in a bunch. How about this? Make socialized health care optional, like food stamps. Make it available to those who want it, and don't force it on those who don't want it. Do you find anything objectionable with that idea?  And how would that work, exactly? In the UK we have this thing called taxation, I'm pretty sure you guys have it too. Part of our taxes go to funding a universal healthcare system, or the National Health Service, as we call it. If people opted out of the taxation that goes towards the NHS all the selfish people, such as yourself, would pull out, and hey presto the whole thing falls down, so your idea is unworkable, in our model. Our NHS is going through a rough time at present but it is still there, working. I, myself used it today to see the consultant a few weeks after my hand operation. Never felt a thing, in my hand or my pocket. In fact, where I live, prescriptions are free also. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 10, 2017 18:27:02 GMT
How about this? Make socialized health care optional, like food stamps. Make it available to those who want it, and don't force it on those who don't want it. Do you find anything objectionable with that idea? And how would that work, exactly? In the UK we have this thing called taxation, I'm pretty sure you guys have it too. Part of our taxes go to funding a universal healthcare system, or the National Health Service, as we call it. If people opted out of the taxation that goes towards the NHS all the selfish people, such as yourself, would pull out, and hey presto the whole thing falls down, so your idea is unworkable, in our model. Our NHS is going through a rough time at present but it is still there, working. I, myself used it today to see the consultant a few weeks after my hand operation. Never felt a thing, in my hand or my pocket. In fact, where I live, prescriptions are free also. Not talking about how it's funded, chas. And no, it isn't free, like food stamps aren't free. They are paid for. I pay for them. I just don't use them. |
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on May 10, 2017 18:32:23 GMT
If you can't answer it, say so, no need to get your panties in a bunch. How about this? Make socialized health care optional, like food stamps. Make it available to those who want it, and don't force it on those who don't want it. Do you find anything objectionable with that idea? That's Medicaid isn't it, moron? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 10, 2017 18:35:53 GMT
How about this? Make socialized health care optional, like food stamps. Make it available to those who want it, and don't force it on those who don't want it. Do you find anything objectionable with that idea? That's Medicaid isn't it, moron? As far as I know, yes, except for the moron part.  |
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Post by chasallnut on May 10, 2017 18:41:07 GMT
And how would that work, exactly? In the UK we have this thing called taxation, I'm pretty sure you guys have it too. Part of our taxes go to funding a universal healthcare system, or the National Health Service, as we call it. If people opted out of the taxation that goes towards the NHS all the selfish people, such as yourself, would pull out, and hey presto the whole thing falls down, so your idea is unworkable, in our model. Our NHS is going through a rough time at present but it is still there, working. I, myself used it today to see the consultant a few weeks after my hand operation. Never felt a thing, in my hand or my pocket. In fact, where I live, prescriptions are free also. Not talking about how it's funded, chas. And no, it isn't free, like food stamps aren't free. They are paid for. I pay for them. I just don't use them. Free at the point of use, that's the point. I guess that slipped by you. Now how it is funded is the most important thing. So if it is a tax (which incidentally is far cheaper than your premiums, certainly pre Obamacare) opting out is not an option. And babies born with heart disease are covered. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 10, 2017 18:43:07 GMT
Not talking about how it's funded, chas. And no, it isn't free, like food stamps aren't free. They are paid for. I pay for them. I just don't use them. Free at the point of use, that's the point. I guess that slipped by you. Now how it is funded is the most important thing. So if it is a tax (which incidentally is far cheaper than your premiums, certainly pre Obamacare) opting out is not an option. And babies born with heart disease are covered. No, it didn't slip by me. So, if I don't want to be signed up for government health care, you're okay with that, right? |
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Post by chasallnut on May 10, 2017 18:55:05 GMT
Free at the point of use, that's the point. I guess that slipped by you. Now how it is funded is the most important thing. So if it is a tax (which incidentally is far cheaper than your premiums, certainly pre Obamacare) opting out is not an option. And babies born with heart disease are covered. No, it didn't slip by me. So, if I don't want to be signed up for government health care, you're okay with that, right?
Your question to me. I gave you my answer based on my experience in my country. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 10, 2017 18:58:30 GMT
No, it didn't slip by me. So, if I don't want to be signed up for government health care, you're okay with that, right?
Your question to me. I gave you my answer based on my experience in my country. Snapshot of a low-info rural US voter: more than willing to pay through the roof for the simplest procedures via a propped-up mutual-profit game being played by pharmaceutical companies and insurance providers, shies away in horror at the notion of taking a pittance from our infrastructure budget and ensuring everyone's health because it would be dimes off his paycheck. This type of shit has pharma CEOs cackling. Bonus: in our system (an insurance system geared towards corporate wealth) guess who bears the burnt when an uninsured individual hits the emergency room?  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 10, 2017 19:02:16 GMT
No, it didn't slip by me. So, if I don't want to be signed up for government health care, you're okay with that, right?
Your question to me. I gave you my answer based on my experience in my country. Well now, based on the experience in my country, I don't want to be signed up for government health care, and I'm not the only one. |
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on May 10, 2017 19:10:21 GMT
That's Medicaid isn't it, moron? As far as I know, yes, except for the moron part. And you pay for that right? |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 19:46:07 GMT
And how would that work, exactly? In the UK we have this thing called taxation, I'm pretty sure you guys have it too. Part of our taxes go to funding a universal healthcare system, or the National Health Service, as we call it. If people opted out of the taxation that goes towards the NHS all the selfish people, such as yourself, would pull out, and hey presto the whole thing falls down, so your idea is unworkable, in our model. Our NHS is going through a rough time at present but it is still there, working. I, myself used it today to see the consultant a few weeks after my hand operation. Never felt a thing, in my hand or my pocket. In fact, where I live, prescriptions are free also. Not talking about how it's funded, chas. And no, it isn't free, like food stamps aren't free. They are paid for. I pay for them. I just don't use them. Let's talk about what who pays for what. I guarantee you I pay more tax than you earn. I also pay for my police and fire service through my council tax(equivalent to your property tax) My council tax bill for the year was 1,900 pounds.Just over 200 pounds($260) of that is spent on my local police force. Now why shouldn't I be able to opt out of my local police force and pool together with my fellow residents to hire a security service that priorities me and doesn't respond to those who contribute little or nothing to the police upkeep. The police would soon become a poorly funded second rate service,so when poor people like you needed it then you may not be able to rely on it,while me thanks to my ability to pay would be able to obtain a better Service. The police are a socialized service Erjen among the first ever created. People like me in Alabama subsidise your police and fire service coverage Erjen that's a fact. Now ask yourself this why should someone like me contribute to keep poor people like you safe? And yet the police and fire service are free at the point of access and their services are based on the need of the recipient not their ability to pay,these incidentally are the core founding principals of the British National Health Service. |
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