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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 6, 2020 0:43:58 GMT
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Post by hobowar on Aug 6, 2020 1:54:32 GMT
I wonder what the experts in Youtube comment sections think?
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Post by darkpast on Aug 6, 2020 2:46:23 GMT
Unusual for the director(s) of a billion film not return for sequel ? Maybe Brie will let WOC be Captain Marvel now.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 6, 2020 3:04:15 GMT
Unusual for the director(s) of a billion film not return for sequel ? Maybe Brie will let WOC be Captain Marvel now. That's not up to Brie, is it?
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Post by darkpast on Aug 6, 2020 3:06:40 GMT
Unusual for the director(s) of a billion film not return for sequel ? Maybe Brie will let WOC be Captain Marvel now. That's not up to Brie, is it? the final decision - no, but she has influence. RDJ helped the other Avengers renegotiate their contracts.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 6, 2020 14:15:35 GMT
DC-Fan must be ecstatic.
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Post by dazz on Aug 6, 2020 17:23:08 GMT
Hopefully this is based off of Disney having seen Candyman and been impressed and not them just trying to recreate the Wonder Woman/Patty Jenkins formula of making the female led CBM helmed by a female director with indy/award cred limited theatrical experience, which sort of looked like what Silver & Black did, and we saw how that kind of fizzled.
I have no clue about the ladies ability I have not seen any of her work, but hopefully Disney know what they are doing, so fingers crossed, doubt it will be as mediocre as CM1 though so not bringing back the old directors is a plus in my book.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 6, 2020 19:05:50 GMT
Hopefully this is based off of Disney having seen Candyman and been impressed and not them just trying to recreate the Wonder Woman/Patty Jenkins formula of making the female led CBM helmed by a female director with indy/award cred limited theatrical experience, which sort of looked like what Silver & Black did, and we saw how that kind of fizzled. I have no clue about the ladies ability I have not seen any of her work, but hopefully Disney know what they are doing, so fingers crossed, doubt it will be as mediocre as CM1 though so not bringing back the old directors is a plus in my book. The problem with CM was the writing (which was also done by the directors), so yeah a change was definitely necessary. It wasn't entirely their fault, since they were handcuffed by the fact that it had to be a prequel, but it wasn't particularly good in general. The best part of the movie were the skrulls, and that's a problem.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 6, 2020 19:15:21 GMT
CM is probably the blandest Marvel film of Phase 3, so it’s not surprising that they got a different director for it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 6, 2020 20:15:44 GMT
CM is probably the blandest Marvel film of Phase 3, so it’s not surprising that they got a different director for it. And it's no coincidence that it's bland, considering it takes place before there were any other heroes or villains to play off of. Sandwiched between the biggest crossover in the history of the MCU is perhaps the most self-contained story since phase 1. They screwed the pooch in almost every imaginable way with CM, the fact that it's even watchable is a moral victory.
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Post by dazz on Aug 6, 2020 22:24:26 GMT
CM is probably the blandest Marvel film of Phase 3, so it’s not surprising that they got a different director for it. And it's no coincidence that it's bland, considering it takes place before there were any other heroes or villains to play off of. Sandwiched between the biggest crossover in the history of the MCU is perhaps the most self-contained story since phase 1. They screwed the pooch in almost every imaginable way with CM, the fact that it's even watchable is a moral victory. No that's not why it's bland, First Avenger was a prequel and it had more heart and stand out moments in it, the problem was CM was just a paint by numbers pastiche of the MCU's greatest hits, with no originality or thought to anything, you could easily make that movie under those same parameters and make it infinitely better without much work. Simple things like what makes Carol special beyond her powers, why should anyone care about her beyond her powers, because honestly her powers are the only thing remarkable about her, and they were an accident, hell how she is there to get her powers is an accident, the movie did nothing to make Carol Danvers remarkable, only thing we got was a showcase of hey look an this characters powers neat huh? oh and look at our de-aging software now.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Aug 6, 2020 22:59:48 GMT
Unusual for the director(s) of a billion film not return for sequel ? Maybe the director of the first movie has some artistic integrity left and wants to direct a real script and make a real movie, not a Disney product.
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Post by blockbusted on Aug 7, 2020 2:20:15 GMT
Unusual for the director(s) of a billion film not return for sequel ? Maybe the director of the first movie has some artistic integrity left and wants to direct a real script and make a real movie, not a Disney product. Is supperhero even aware that Boden/Fleck might end up working on a Disney+ MCU series? |
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Post by dazz on Aug 7, 2020 11:14:27 GMT
Unusual for the director(s) of a billion film not return for sequel ? Maybe the director of the first movie has some artistic integrity left and wants to direct a real script and make a real movie, not a Disney product. Hey dingus the directors, there were two of them btw they are a duo, they also wrote the screenplay with Geneva Robertson-Dworet, so you're an idiot as per usual.
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Post by dazz on Aug 7, 2020 11:19:48 GMT
Maybe the director of the first movie has some artistic integrity left and wants to direct a real script and make a real movie, not a Disney product. Is supperhero even aware that Boden/Fleck might end up working on a Disney+ MCU series? Well he wasn't aware there were two directors, so I doubt he's aware they are possibly up for another Marvel job.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 7, 2020 12:07:43 GMT
And it's no coincidence that it's bland, considering it takes place before there were any other heroes or villains to play off of. Sandwiched between the biggest crossover in the history of the MCU is perhaps the most self-contained story since phase 1. They screwed the pooch in almost every imaginable way with CM, the fact that it's even watchable is a moral victory. No that's not why it's bland, First Avenger was a prequel and it had more heart and stand out moments in it, the problem was CM was just a paint by numbers pastiche of the MCU's greatest hits, with no originality or thought to anything, you could easily make that movie under those same parameters and make it infinitely better without much work. Simple things like what makes Carol special beyond her powers, why should anyone care about her beyond her powers, because honestly her powers are the only thing remarkable about her, and they were an accident, hell how she is there to get her powers is an accident, the movie did nothing to make Carol Danvers remarkable, only thing we got was a showcase of hey look an this characters powers neat huh? oh and look at our de-aging software now. First Avenger is a phase 1 movie, the heroes hadn't come together yet. The public hadn't seen the Avengers, let alone everything that came after it. If First Avenger came out in 2019, it wouldn't have been as appreciated as it is. I disagree a little on Carol. She got her powers through sacrifice. She destroyed the equipment Yon-Rogg was after knowing it would probably kill her. Instead it gave her powers. Not the most exciting origin, but it isn't like she was walking down the street and got struck by lightning. She showed a certain amount of honor and fortitude in her actions. Overall I agree she is a bland character. It was a terrible choice to give her amnesia. You're introducing a new character to the audience, and they can't get to know her because she doesn't even know herself. She barely had a personality the entire film. I'm hoping she gets to do more as a character going forward.
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Post by dazz on Aug 7, 2020 12:37:39 GMT
No that's not why it's bland, First Avenger was a prequel and it had more heart and stand out moments in it, the problem was CM was just a paint by numbers pastiche of the MCU's greatest hits, with no originality or thought to anything, you could easily make that movie under those same parameters and make it infinitely better without much work. Simple things like what makes Carol special beyond her powers, why should anyone care about her beyond her powers, because honestly her powers are the only thing remarkable about her, and they were an accident, hell how she is there to get her powers is an accident, the movie did nothing to make Carol Danvers remarkable, only thing we got was a showcase of hey look an this characters powers neat huh? oh and look at our de-aging software now. First Avenger is a phase 1 movie, the heroes hadn't come together yet. The public hadn't seen the Avengers, let alone everything that came after it. If First Avenger came out in 2019, it wouldn't have been as appreciated as it is. I disagree a little on Carol. She got her powers through sacrifice. She destroyed the equipment Yon-Rogg was after knowing it would probably kill her. Instead it gave her powers. Not the most exciting origin, but it isn't like she was walking down the street and got struck by lightning. She showed a certain amount of honor and fortitude in her actions. Overall I agree she is a bland character. It was a terrible choice to give her amnesia. You're introducing a new character to the audience, and they can't get to know her because she doesn't even know herself. She barely had a personality the entire film. I'm hoping she gets to do more as a character going forward. Again her powers were an accident, which ok she gained because she made 1 heroic act, which isn't that heroic considering she is facing an alien enemy that already attacked unprovoked and easily trashed your shit, only other option was let him take it and hope he's merciful towards you for capitulating. I disagree with First Avenger not being appreciated now if it were to come out, it would, if it was still the introduction to Cap because it did that well, it showed you who Cap was and why he was special, before the serum he was willing to fight a losing battle on principal, he was willing to die to save others when he had other choices, he showed he was smart, the only thing holding him back was his body, so they corrected that and Cap then afterwards kept and showed those same traits and how now as Cap he could save lives due to it, but he was still human, he was still awkward around women and didn't know how to handle those situations properly, why CA:TFA worked still would work now so long as it was introducing Cap as I said. I agree the amnesia thing sucked, just give us 20 minutes at the front of the movie that set's up Carol as a character, then have her plane getting attacked cut her being on the floor bleeding and Yon-Rogg picking her up but in blurred vision until we see his face as he reassures her then cut to black, title card and the movie carries on from where it did, don't show who shot her down or anything until later, because then ok we know who Carol is and we can see how Vers is different. But they needed to do more to establish Carol's never give up attitude as Carol beyond he just getting back up after various issues, because that just shows that she failed a lot, I think they should have shown Carol getting up after incidents where she was tucked up somehow, like when she falls off the rope it's because she is trying to get better to beat her old score she isn't happy with and some jerks cause her to fall, you know it isn't then she stands up after failing but she stands up despite adversity from others, which should have been played up more imo, I mean you are making her a captain in the air force in the 1980's that wouldn't be easy due to the boys club, why set it back then and not touch on that beyond a couple of idiots going "der it's called a cockpit hunny der", honestly cutting out the call backs and forcing in Coulson and Fury this movie could have been set in the modern time easily which would have tee'd up the next phase/saga of Marvel nicely by making the Skrull/Kree war as an ongoing issue through out. Honestly CM like I said feels like a pastiche of the best elements in other Marvel films without the heart behind it, which makes it feel more like it was a movie that needed a story written rather than a story than needed to be made into a movie and so they threw in the 90's stuff to give it more of a hook for an otherwise bland movie.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 7, 2020 18:24:32 GMT
Maybe the director of the first movie has some artistic integrity left and wants to direct a real script and make a real movie, not a Disney product. Is supperhero even aware that Boden/Fleck might end up working on a Disney+ MCU series? I doubt there's much he's aware of to begin with.
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Post by sostie on Aug 7, 2020 19:08:05 GMT
Hopefully this is based off of Disney having seen Candyman and been impressed and not them just trying to recreate the Wonder Woman/Patty Jenkins It could be based on her well received debut Little Woods. MCU took chances on other indie directors and it paid off - Waititi, Boden & Fleck, John Watts
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Post by dazz on Aug 7, 2020 21:24:49 GMT
Hopefully this is based off of Disney having seen Candyman and been impressed and not them just trying to recreate the Wonder Woman/Patty Jenkins It could be based on her well received debut Little Woods. MCU took chances on other indie directors and it paid off - Waititi, Boden & Fleck, John Watts Could be but only Watts is a comparable choice given experience and track record, which Waititi as well as Fleck and Boyd had much more of than her. But ever way my point really was I hope Disney picked her for her talent and not to try and haphazardly recreate the Wonder Woman magic by repeating their choices, I mean if they did it by hiring Jenkins it would be one thing, but hiring someone else just because hey they had some critical acclaim and they are a woman, and because of that they'll probably worker cheaper, lets hire them, thats my point, and I do hope they made their choices for the right reasons.
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