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Post by kaasa on May 24, 2017 18:34:17 GMT
I always had a soft spot for Khali. His matches with Batista weren't anything fans wanted to see, which is a big reason his Title reign didn't work. When they had him doing the angle where he squashed Rey Mysterio's head, that was good, instant classic wrestling television.
A reason I liked Khali as much as I did at that time was because he reminded me of Big Chief from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Maybe he would have got over more if he offered Michael Cole a piece of Juicy Fruit - and then raped him.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:39:00 GMT
I always had a soft spot for Khali. His matches with Batista weren't anything fans wanted to see, which is a big reason his Title reign didn't work. When they had him doing the angle where he squashed Rey Mysterio's head, that was good, instant classic wrestling television. A reason I liked Khali as much as I did at that time was because he reminded me of Big Chief from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Maybe he would have got over more if he offered Michael Cole a piece of Juicy Fruit - and then raped him. that's actually a good comparison with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. and just like his character in the remake of 'The Longest Yard' - that right there is what you roll with and throw the belt on and then eventually after his reign of terror you've got this hot white babyface underdog knocking him off............... you just had him debut and destroy one of your icons in 'Taker - so why not go all out and build him up as this unbeatable monster as along the way you and creative are trying to find your next Hogan, Hart, HBK, Cena, etc etc........
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Post by kaasa on May 24, 2017 18:54:09 GMT
You may or may not remember, at the beginning of the Summer in 2007 Khali went on a rampage backstage on RAW. That was the "reign of terror" they gave him. And then they had that white hot babyface underdog, who was Champion for all of 9 months, defeat him at a PPV!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:59:05 GMT
You may or may not remember, at the beginning of the Summer in 2007 Khali went on a rampage backstage on RAW. That was the "reign of terror" they gave him. And then they had that white hot babyface underdog, who was Champion for all of 9 months, defeat him at a PPV! no clue - i didn't watch back then like i don't now - i tune in in spurts post 2004 to see what appeals to 'me'. so was it batista, mysterio or cena you speak of? i'm sensing Cena.....
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Post by kaasa on May 24, 2017 20:46:50 GMT
You may or may not remember, at the beginning of the Summer in 2007 Khali went on a rampage backstage on RAW. That was the "reign of terror" they gave him. And then they had that white hot babyface underdog, who was Champion for all of 9 months, defeat him at a PPV! no clue - i didn't watch back then like i don't now - i tune in in spurts post 2004 to see what appeals to 'me'. so was it batista, mysterio or cena you speak of? i'm sensing Cena..... Oh, you best believe it was Cena. WWE's ultimate underdog.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:12:39 GMT
no clue - i didn't watch back then like i don't now - i tune in in spurts post 2004 to see what appeals to 'me'. so was it batista, mysterio or cena you speak of? i'm sensing Cena..... Oh, you best believe it was Cena. WWE's ultimate underdog. so cena 'rose above' and defeated the odds. to call a spade a spade - did fans hate Cena back then like they did 2 years ago for years (seems like they've lightened up a bit since Reigns rolled around and Cena hasn't been around that much)............or was he really hated upon back then too even though he was supposed to be a face. i think Cena's character arc (future heel turn still expected which is included in my assumption) is a great one. debuted terrifically against Angle - then was rather vanilla and bland. you switch him off to the 'white rapper gimmick'. he's getting heat for getting hated on but fans start to slowly turn and cheer for him. WWE sees this as an opportunity to turn him face...... and they've never looked back i've been saying this for years but i still think it's a matter of time - there's a hogan '96 bash at the beach heel turn coming sometime down the line....
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 21:30:38 GMT
Fans started turning on Cena almost immediately after Wrestlemania 21, after he came over from Smackdown to Raw.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:35:44 GMT
Fans started turning on Cena almost immediately after Wrestlemania 21, after he came over from Smackdown to Raw. no kiddin' i was a giant Smackdown fan circa 2003/2004. thought the show was terrific. and that's when they were turning Cena face correct? then the draft happened. and thats when fans started turning on him? pretty much immediately off of his face turn? see - i'm one of the few and in the minority where i thought 'thuganomics cena' on Smackdown was just 'must see tv'. i thought it was terrific. yes - he was supposed to be a 'vanilla ice joke' at first - but the thing is - he had actual talent. not just on the mic and promo wise but in the ring - and that's when he started to win fans over which is why in my opionion WWF started to turn him face........
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 22:03:46 GMT
I think the anti-Cena sentiment really took off after he handily went through Jericho and Angle, two of WWE's best wrestlers, in Hulk Hogan fashion.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 22:18:45 GMT
I think the anti-Cena sentiment really took off after he handily went through Jericho and Angle, two of WWE's best wrestlers, in Hulk Hogan fashion. interesting. i love angle and Y2J can you argue though that Cena is a bigger Icon than both combined and WWE actually knew what they were doing by giving him a 'Superman' push?
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 22:32:43 GMT
I don't argue Cena's status as an icon.
WWE certainly knew what they were doing. Despite Cena's crowd reactions, the man has been a guaranteed money maker for over a decade now. Not even Hogan could claim that for the WWF.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 22:37:57 GMT
I don't argue Cena's status as an icon. WWE certainly knew what they were doing. Despite Cena's crowd reactions, the man has been a guaranteed money maker for over a decade now. Not even Hogan could claim that for the WWF. so why not Cena vs. Hogan at next years 'Mania. this is 'sports entertainment'. i get it. hogan is old and broken down. but again - 'entertainment'. storylines can be put into place - run ins galore to protect hogan. been clamoring for this for years. unpopular opinion. i've always gone as far as biggest icons: 1) hogan 2) cena sorry Flair, Austin, Rock, etc.......... that right there is money especially if you swerve Cena heel disappointing the kids and Hogan comes back as a babyface who was the ultimate 'kid' icon
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Post by kaasa on May 25, 2017 8:45:32 GMT
Jesus Christ. Hogan couldn't bump during his last Title run in 2002. How would Cena be able to utilize any of his offence in such a match? It's not something you can write around and then deliver on.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 21:30:48 GMT
Jesus Christ. Hogan couldn't bump during his last Title run in 2002. How would Cena be able to utilize any of his offence in such a match? It's not something you can write around and then deliver on. you seem to be confusing real sports with 'sports entertainment' (pretty much a traveling carnival) where 'writing', a 'story line' and 'theatrics' are involved in order to come to a predetermined fake outcome for the sake of quality 'theater' .
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Post by kaasa on May 25, 2017 22:07:49 GMT
Jesus Christ. Hogan couldn't bump during his last Title run in 2002. How would Cena be able to utilize any of his offence in such a match? It's not something you can write around and then deliver on. you seem to be confusing real sports with 'sports entertainment' (pretty much a traveling carnival) where 'writing', a 'story line' and 'theatrics' are involved in order to come to a predetermined fake outcome for the sake of quality 'theater' . And just how is Hogan not being able to bump quality theater? He can't work a match like the one he had with Shawn Michaels with John Cena. If Hogan dominated the match not taking any bumps, and then won in the end, there would be no point in having it, because it wouldn't meet expectations and deliver on what fans want to see. Having Hogan and Cena wrestle now has the highest potential to be not only terrible, but worse than Bret and Vince's phony WrestleMania match.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 25, 2017 22:51:11 GMT
Jesus Christ. Hogan couldn't bump during his last Title run in 2002. How would Cena be able to utilize any of his offence in such a match? It's not something you can write around and then deliver on. you seem to be confusing real sports with 'sports entertainment' (pretty much a traveling carnival) where 'writing', a 'story line' and 'theatrics' are involved in order to come to a predetermined fake outcome for the sake of quality 'theater' . Except Hogan is nowhere near mobile enough to engage in any theatrics.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 23:00:48 GMT
you seem to be confusing real sports with 'sports entertainment' (pretty much a traveling carnival) where 'writing', a 'story line' and 'theatrics' are involved in order to come to a predetermined fake outcome for the sake of quality 'theater' . Except Hogan is nowhere near mobile enough to engage in any theatrics. like hart wasn't when they put him in the ring with mcmahon at 'Mania and 'protected' him for the sake of putting on a show? 'bad show' or not - they did it - and i'm willing to bet more than one person purchased a ticket for it or purchased the PPV. hogan vs. heel cena = money in my eyes as much as a crapfest it may be in the ring
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 23:34:27 GMT
you seem to be confusing real sports with 'sports entertainment' (pretty much a traveling carnival) where 'writing', a 'story line' and 'theatrics' are involved in order to come to a predetermined fake outcome for the sake of quality 'theater' . And just how is Hogan not being able to bump quality theater? He can't work a match like the one he had with Shawn Michaels with John Cena. If Hogan dominated the match not taking any bumps, and then won in the end, there would be no point in having it, because it wouldn't meet expectations and deliver on what fans want to see. Having Hogan and Cena wrestle now has the highest potential to be not only terrible, but worse than Bret and Vince's phony WrestleMania match. quality theater in my eyes is 'Mania 18 when Toronto was going nuts for Hogan against the Rock and the two had never even placed a hand on each other yet. that's quality theater. you work in storylines to protect Hogan. you have run ins galore if you will - you go with the old school angle of Cena being attacked backstage pre match. you do whatever it takes to have Hogan/Cena in the main event. i never knew Scott Hall could take a bump with a replaced hip and pretty much being written off never to breathe another breath again - but yet in the Trips/Sting match - he took a bump. hogan - punch, punch, kick kick, chop chop, eye gauge eye gauge, He goes 'Hollywood Hogan' and 'Ric Flair' - low blow - another low blow. crowd goes nuts. pulls 'Salt' out of the tights ala Mr. Fuji as the ref isn't looking - chairshots. you name it. Didn't Goldberg and Lesnar put on a 'mini epic' only a few minutes long at 'Mania this year? it's about the story - and you protect Hogan........
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Post by kaasa on May 26, 2017 9:30:24 GMT
And just how is Hogan not being able to bump quality theater? He can't work a match like the one he had with Shawn Michaels with John Cena. If Hogan dominated the match not taking any bumps, and then won in the end, there would be no point in having it, because it wouldn't meet expectations and deliver on what fans want to see. Having Hogan and Cena wrestle now has the highest potential to be not only terrible, but worse than Bret and Vince's phony WrestleMania match. quality theater in my eyes is 'Mania 18 when Toronto was going nuts for Hogan against the Rock and the two had never even placed a hand on each other yet. that's quality theater. you work in storylines to protect Hogan. you have run ins galore if you will - you go with the old school angle of Cena being attacked backstage pre match. you do whatever it takes to have Hogan/Cena in the main event. i never knew Scott Hall could take a bump with a replaced hip and pretty much being written off never to breathe another breath again - but yet in the Trips/Sting match - he took a bump. hogan - punch, punch, kick kick, chop chop, eye gauge eye gauge, He goes 'Hollywood Hogan' and 'Ric Flair' - low blow - another low blow. crowd goes nuts. pulls 'Salt' out of the tights ala Mr. Fuji as the ref isn't looking - chairshots. you name it. Didn't Goldberg and Lesnar put on a 'mini epic' only a few minutes long at 'Mania this year? it's about the story - and you protect Hogan........ But how do you protect Cena that way? How does any of this benefit Cena? The only thing that salvaged McMahon/Hart was the ending everybody wanted to see. That was then though. Now people have mostly forgotten about it and that segment will go down as possibly the worst in WrestleMania's history.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 26, 2017 13:15:08 GMT
Except Hogan is nowhere near mobile enough to engage in any theatrics. like hart wasn't when they put him in the ring with mcmahon at 'Mania and 'protected' him for the sake of putting on a show? 'bad show' or not - they did it - and i'm willing to bet more than one person purchased a ticket for it or purchased the PPV. hogan vs. heel cena = money in my eyes as much as a crapfest it may be in the ring Exactly. And it was terrible. It bored the audience and did nothing for either man. It worked in "protecting Hart" because Bret was still the younger guy, so he should be the one dishing out the punishment on the non-wrestler. Protecting Hogan means the younger, physically fit Cena would be the one taking most of the beating. Ridiculous. Even in "sports entertainment." Which is the big reason not to. It wouldn't be entertaining. There is no money in Hogan vs Cena. No real money anyway. The real money was Cena vs Taker.
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