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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 15:29:32 GMT
He looks like a beast.
Tuned into Smackdown for the first time in awhile last night.
Wasn't he the same 'midcarder' in 3MB - pretty much a joke?
I always loved the 'evil foreigner' gimmick and thought WWE did it tremendously well with Rusev initially - always felt he should have been given the strap.
Speaking of Smackdown - terrific opening segment with Y2J, Shane, AJ and Owens.
So I guess I missed out on the draft. Anybody else find it interesting they put Y2J, Owens and Zayn on the same show after we saw them in countless storylines together on RAW?
Not saying it couldn't work - love the Owens/Y2J stuff - just figured they'd want to start with some fresh new feuds and storylines.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 3, 2017 16:28:13 GMT
I'm happy for him. Wish WWE had built him up better before making him number 1 contender.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 17:02:02 GMT
I'm happy for him. Wish WWE had built him up better before making him number 1 contender. yeah - seems a little odd. read he was 'runner up' for the Andre the Giant Battle Royal at 'Mania - but is that really 'building somebody up'? i just remember the guy was kind of a glorified jobber/midcarder. looks like he's worked on himself quite a bit. i get what they're doing with having the 2 miniature guys with him trying to look all that much bigger and a complete beast - but while watching i was thinking to myself - why wasn't this guy pushed sooner? at least they're trying something new on Smackdown. would be easy to give the belt to AJ, Y2J, Owens, Cena, let Orton keep it etc..... throw the guy the strap. what do they have to lose |
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Post by petrolino on May 3, 2017 17:55:43 GMT
The powerful enforcer Hardbody Mahal is said to be in the best shape of his life with 7% body fat but his body's looking unbearably toned and tense. Vince McMahon believes he's now the top man to put on a poster campaign face to face with Randy Orton and in the ring Big Jinder's on fire. Who can stop Mahal now?
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Post by kaasa on May 4, 2017 1:55:15 GMT
Does anybody else here watch Nick's Strength and Power YouTube videos? He's talked about Jinder recently, before Mahal's push started.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 6:52:54 GMT
I don't mind Mahal getting a push but it's been done completely wrong. He comes in 2nd at the Mania Andre Battle Royal which honestly nobody takes seriously because WWE doesn't book the winner of it afterwards worth a damn so does it even matter? Then he gets squashed by Finn Balor on RAW (injuring him in the process with a concussion) and then he goes to Smackdown and immediately becomes the #1 contender for the WWE title on Smackdown? Sorry but that just seems to make the Smackdown roster as a whole look like shit when a RAW jobber comes right over and is #1 contender right away. They should have built him up a bit getting some wins here and there over lower/mid card guys on Smackdown. Should of just started a feud with Mojo right away and then built up his push. This? This is just lazy and sloppy writing putting Mahal in this position so quickly upon being looked at as a jobber on RAW. It's not like anybody thinks he's a threat to Orton.
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Post by Nike316 on May 4, 2017 13:58:17 GMT
I was surprised he became the number 1 contender for Randy Orton's title, because he wasn't much on Raw, but he seems to have done a complete 180 on Smackdown now since he's being given a real chance. I hope he stays fired up, even if doesn't win the WWE championship anytime soon.
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Post by theyoungsquire on May 5, 2017 10:03:55 GMT
I don't mind Mahal getting a push but it's been done completely wrong. He comes in 2nd at the Mania Andre Battle Royal which honestly nobody takes seriously because WWE doesn't book the winner of it afterwards worth a damn so does it even matter? Then he gets squashed by Finn Balor on RAW (injuring him in the process with a concussion) and then he goes to Smackdown and immediately becomes the #1 contender for the WWE title on Smackdown? Sorry but that just seems to make the Smackdown roster as a whole look like shit when a RAW jobber comes right over and is #1 contender right away. They should have built him up a bit getting some wins here and there over lower/mid card guys on Smackdown. Should of just started a feud with Mojo right away and then built up his push. This? This is just lazy and sloppy writing putting Mahal in this position so quickly upon being looked at as a jobber on RAW. It's not like anybody thinks he's a threat to Orton. Yeah I agree, it was definitely a strange way to build Mahal up...because basically, they didn't. But I also quite liked the element of surprise to see him suddenly get a push. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 16:55:06 GMT
I don't mind Mahal getting a push but it's been done completely wrong. He comes in 2nd at the Mania Andre Battle Royal which honestly nobody takes seriously because WWE doesn't book the winner of it afterwards worth a damn so does it even matter? Then he gets squashed by Finn Balor on RAW (injuring him in the process with a concussion) and then he goes to Smackdown and immediately becomes the #1 contender for the WWE title on Smackdown? Sorry but that just seems to make the Smackdown roster as a whole look like shit when a RAW jobber comes right over and is #1 contender right away. They should have built him up a bit getting some wins here and there over lower/mid card guys on Smackdown. Should of just started a feud with Mojo right away and then built up his push. This? This is just lazy and sloppy writing putting Mahal in this position so quickly upon being looked at as a jobber on RAW. It's not like anybody thinks he's a threat to Orton. Yeah I agree, it was definitely a strange way to build Mahal up...because basically, they didn't. But I also quite liked the element of surprise to see him suddenly get a push. Intrigued with where they're going with this. Agree with most the push came out of nowhere. But he can be that 'heel foreign champ' they push to the moon - which is where I was hoping they were going to go with Rusev. So who knocks him off? Ashame this is Smackdown and Angle is on RAW. Would love to see the old school U.S. vs. Foreign Country war with Angle involved............. |
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Post by poelzig on May 24, 2017 8:55:33 GMT
He looks like a beast. Tuned into Smackdown for the first time in awhile last night. Wasn't he the same 'midcarder' in 3MB - pretty much a joke? I always loved the 'evil foreigner' gimmick and thought WWE did it tremendously well with Rusev initially - always felt he should have been given the strap. Speaking of Smackdown - terrific opening segment with Y2J, Shane, AJ and Owens. So I guess I missed out on the draft. Anybody else find it interesting they put Y2J, Owens and Zayn on the same show after we saw them in countless storylines together on RAW? Not saying it couldn't work - love the Owens/Y2J stuff - just figured they'd want to start with some fresh new feuds and storylines. Ha ha. I kept meaning to ask if you were digging Jinder Mahal being Vince's latest crush. He definitely fits that tall roid monster wrestler look you prefer. Sadly though he's kind of boring to me. The goofy sidekicks thing can be fun and the evil foreigner is a tried and true character that also is a lot of fun when done right. Rusev WAS a good example and then was just abandoned. However, they seem to be afraid to really run with the foreign angle in a negative way with Mahal and he's not very interesting otherwise. That Bollywood stuff on Smackdown was painful to watch. Did the WWE just get picked up in India maybe? That might explain a lot. Even though Jinder is Canadian, eh? |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 15:36:37 GMT
Yeah, WWE is trying to create more business in India. They've been trying for years. As far back as with The Great Khali. Can't fault a company for wanting to grow.
And it's ok if Jinder is Canadian. Rey Mysterio is American but still big with Hispanic populations.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 15:58:14 GMT
Yeah, WWE is trying to create more business in India. They've been trying for years. As far back as with The Great Khali. Can't fault a company for wanting to grow. And it's ok if Jinder is Canadian. Rey Mysterio is American but still big with Hispanic populations. yep. was going to bring this up in past previous posts. what are you thoughts on them dropping the ball with Khali? yeah - i get he was 'giant gonzales' - but the intimidating look - as you stated they were trying to grow overseas. in my eyes it was a missed opportunity. didn't they throw him the strap at once? i had the same problem with Andre - although i wasn't a big fan of him either. circa 'Mania 3 - they should have thrown him the strap and kept it on him. i mean - who could have beaten him? then you have a 'Rocky' story of either Hogan, Warrior, Savage knocking this behemoth off a couple of years down the road. same should have gone for Khali. he came in descimating one of their Icons in 'Taker - and in due time he was pretty much a joke. just bad writing. should have given him the strap as an unstoppable monster and along comes this pristine babyface knocking him off after a 2 year or so run |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 16:01:02 GMT
He looks like a beast. Tuned into Smackdown for the first time in awhile last night. Wasn't he the same 'midcarder' in 3MB - pretty much a joke? I always loved the 'evil foreigner' gimmick and thought WWE did it tremendously well with Rusev initially - always felt he should have been given the strap. Speaking of Smackdown - terrific opening segment with Y2J, Shane, AJ and Owens. So I guess I missed out on the draft. Anybody else find it interesting they put Y2J, Owens and Zayn on the same show after we saw them in countless storylines together on RAW? Not saying it couldn't work - love the Owens/Y2J stuff - just figured they'd want to start with some fresh new feuds and storylines. Ha ha. I kept meaning to ask if you were digging Jinder Mahal being Vince's latest crush. He definitely fits that tall roid monster wrestler look you prefer. Sadly though he's kind of boring to me. The goofy sidekicks thing can be fun and the evil foreigner is a tried and true character that also is a lot of fun when done right. Rusev WAS a good example and then was just abandoned. However, they seem to be afraid to really run with the foreign angle in a negative way with Mahal and he's not very interesting otherwise. That Bollywood stuff on Smackdown was painful to watch. Did the WWE just get picked up in India maybe? That might explain a lot. Even though Jinder is Canadian, eh? i actually dig it. he looks like a completely different person. i wish they would write an angle where he get to unify both straps - cue Kurt Angle stepping in - 4th of July is right around the corner. build this cat up beyond belief. you get a 'Jack Swagger' type to come in and knock him off in an underdog 'Rocky' story. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 16:07:23 GMT
Andre didn't need the belt. Hogan was clearly the guy during that time. Selling out arenas and making millions in merchandise for himself and the company as champion. Andre was way past his prime to carry the title. This was still the era where the champion traveled all over the country and did all the promotions and appearances. Hogan could handle that. Andre couldn't.
I don't see Khali as a missed opportunity. He really couldn't do much. And what he could do, he didn't do that well. He only had the look, but he came around in an era where fans wanted more than just the look. He was too immobile to really do anything to his opponent or even have his opponent do anything to him.
The lumbering, immobile monster is a thing of the past. Two years of that on top would've driven away far too many fans.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 16:16:31 GMT
Andre didn't need the belt. Hogan was clearly the guy during that time. Selling out arenas and making millions in merchandise for himself and the company as champion. Andre was way past his prime to carry the title. This was still the era where the champion traveled all over the country and did all the promotions and appearances. Hogan could handle that. Andre couldn't. I don't see Khali as a missed opportunity. He really couldn't do much. And what he could do, he didn't do that well. He only had the look, but he came around in an era where fans wanted more than just the look. He was too immobile to really do anything to his opponent or even have his opponent do anything to him. The lumbering, immobile monster is a thing of the past. Two years of that on top would've driven away far too many fans. 'the look'. exactly. and i'm all about the look. build me a 'jack and the beanstalk' storyline of this unstoppable monster who reigns terror for a couple of years and along comes this underdog story ala Rocky and Apollo. how many times after 'Mania 3 did Hogan lose the belt? (I seriously don't know - just asking). Did Macho take it off him? I know Warrior at 'Mania VI. The whole controversy with Dibiase/Andre/Hogan. to my own personal taste - gimme that 'Monster' who crushes people. may not seem like great theater to some - but to me the pay off at the end is what's worth it - the underdog finally knocking the Giant off the Beanstalk. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 16:26:43 GMT
But "the look" fan is now a minority. Which is why the Great Khali experiment failed. I don't think he even opened up that much business in India.
After Mania 3? Hogan lost the belt once to Andre before recovering it at Mania 5 from Savage.
Oh, I agree. It makes for great drama. Sting, Hogan, Taker, Cena, and others have made great careers taking down monsters.
But these days, it's not enough for fans that the monster merely look like a monster. He can't just be a big guy. He needs a good offensive set of moves and a personality beyond just being a big guy. He also needs to be able to sell believably. Khali didn't have any of that. Strowman is trying to move past that. Right now he's just got a monster's character. But he can move much better than Khali ever could, and he's working on his personality.
Jinder is good also because he's huge but not limited in his moves and is becoming a better talker with every week.
But the monster who reigns was never actually a long term character. Not since Yokozuna has that really worked. Certainly not for over a year.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 16:47:09 GMT
But "the look" fan is now a minority. Which is why the Great Khali experiment failed. I don't think he even opened up that much business in India. After Mania 3? Hogan lost the belt once to Andre before recovering it at Mania 5 from Savage. Oh, I agree. It makes for great drama. Sting, Hogan, Taker, Cena, and others have made great careers taking down monsters. But these days, it's not enough for fans that the monster merely look like a monster. He can't just be a big guy. He needs a good offensive set of moves and a personality beyond just being a big guy. He also needs to be able to sell believably. Khali didn't have any of that. Strowman is trying to move past that. Right now he's just got a monster's character. But he can move much better than Khali ever could, and he's working on his personality. Jinder is good also because he's huge but not limited in his moves and is becoming a better talker with every week. But the monster who reigns was never actually a long term character. Not since Yokozuna has that really worked. Certainly not for over a year. this may come down to bad booking/writing as you pointed out in the past. was mahal his manager? you need to surround the guy with a stable or collection of followers to get him over as the champ since he didn't have any mic skills or promo skills. what they're doing with 'Jinder' right now with those 2 little midgets (sorry for being politically incorrect) - it's just brilliant. they're making him look larger than life. should have given him a manager ala 'the sheik'. this is going to sound sexist - but valets/women managers have been around forever - given him a few belly dancers as his 'women'. he should have been carried down to the ring (i think macho man had this done at the 'Mania outdoors in Vegas I think it was when 'Taker faced Gonzeles?) on a throne. you get a ton of belly dancers surrounding him like this cat is some mysterious larger than life 'God'. he just decimated 'Taker. i just think the writers failed with him despite his obvious weaknesses. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 17:07:43 GMT
Davari was Khali's manager. He was good on the mic, but that didn't change that people didn't want to watch Khali in the ring. He just couldn't get it done in there. Even against Cena, who could pull out good matches from monsters.
All of that pomp and circumstance can help elevate a star, but it's not enough to create a star. It'd be too obvious to fans WWE would just be trying to cover up his weaknesses rather than accentuating any positives (of which Khali only had size).
I can't blame the writers. Khali just couldn't do anything to gain or keep fan interest.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:17:08 GMT
Davari was Khali's manager. He was good on the mic, but that didn't change that people didn't want to watch Khali in the ring. He just couldn't get it done in there. Even against Cena, who could pull out good matches from monsters. All of that pomp and circumstance can help elevate a star, but it's not enough to create a star. It'd be too obvious to fans WWE would just be trying to cover up his weaknesses rather than accentuating any positives (of which Khali only had size). I can't blame the writers. Khali just couldn't do anything to gain or keep fan interest. goldberg wcw approach. enter ring stay off mic spear jackhammer 1-2-3 leave ring. repeat formula for over a year then you get somebody to eventually knock him off. Goldberg WCW was must see TV in my eyes. ive never seen a 'Giant' built like Khali - it's not just that he was 'tall' - he looked like a cartoon character that was jacked as well. you get this guy coming down to the ring carried in a throne with torches lit and belly dancers with a mouth piece as a manager - and he proceeds to run through people like he just did 'Taker - i'm tuning in - you've got my money suckers!  |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 24, 2017 18:31:08 GMT
Maybe initially. But it's not a program that'll hold interest for two years. Certainly not in the age of weekly shows and monthly pay per views. In the 70s and 80s, sure.
Plus, the difference with Goldberg is that his offense was explosive. People popped for it. Khali didn't have that. He had an overhand chop and big boot that most of the time could barely reach up to his opponent's stomach.
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