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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 4:58:57 GMT
This is kind of a review. I finally saw the first two Rambo films for the first time ever yesterday on AMC and I'm kind of angry at myself for not seeing these films sooner because they are AWESOME! I'm not an action film fan but after watching these films, I understand why these films are beloved classics. The action in both films always kept me on my toes and the suspense was palpable. Though, what I really enjoyed was the character of John Rambo. Even though he is a BADASS, I couldn't help but feel so sorry for him. Especially in the first film. This man has been through so much and he's unfortunately still being put through a lot of BS. But, it never slowed him down. In fact, he's proven himself to be resilient AF. Sylvestor Stallone's performance, even in the first film, show that he's actually a good actor. He was believable as a traumatized, brutalized veteran who only wanted to have peace in his life only for that to be shattered by cold-hearted individuals, whether homegrown or foreign. No lie but I was actually teary eyed at the end of the first film and was teary eyed at one point during the second film as well. Also, watching both films, I was perplexed and I'm still perplexed by how these two films ended up creating toys and cartoons for children! These are two HARD R films for crying out loud!  I think these films are now my new favorites. |
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 15, 2020 5:26:30 GMT
I understand why the first movie is a classic.
I think calling the second movie a classic is giving it too much credit. Personal dislike of the movie aside, that movie is only a classic by association imo.
First Blood: Part II is an idiotic action movie with very little thrills and lame action scenes. The first movie is a well made OTT character study.
Most people know that Sylvester Stallone is a good actor when he has the right script and director.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 15, 2020 10:05:25 GMT
Do you plan on seeing Rambo 3? Rambo (Rambo 4)? Rambo Last Blood (Rambo 5)?
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Post by James on Aug 15, 2020 11:02:53 GMT
I guess they sold toys cause kids were going to see these movies and were into the mindless action. But yeah, these films are classics, especially First Blood. The 4th one is also very good.
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 11:12:52 GMT
Do you plan on seeing Rambo 3? Rambo (Rambo 4)? Rambo Last Blood (Rambo 5)? Yes. The reason I ended up seeing the first two films was due to them airing on AMC early in the morning this past Thursday and me trying to relax in bed (I've been going through some health issues but I'm okay). I was channel surfing and came upon this scheduling, and decided to take a chance by finally watching the films. I'm so glad that I did.
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 11:49:26 GMT
I understand why the first movie is a classic. I think calling the second movie a classic is giving it too much credit. Personal dislike of the movie aside, that movie is only a classic by association imo. First Blood: Part II is an idiotic action movie with very little thrills and lame action scenes. The first movie is a well made OTT character study. Most people know that Sylvester Stallone is a good actor when he has the right script and director. I get what you're saying. I didn't like Part II as much as the first film. It was kind of mindless action and wasn't as deep as the first film. I felt fully immersed in First Blood and felt like I was going through the same BS as John Rambo was. I felt kind of disconnected from Rambo: First Blood Part II. Though, even with that film, I still felt like I was going through it with him, especially during the torture scenes. What was missing was that emotional punch the first film had concerning him dealing with his PTSD. But I still enjoyed the second film. And it developed John Rambo's character a bit by showing that despite his personal issues and dealing with what he's been through, he wants to help and protect people. Even the film's ending showcased this by the conversation he had with his mentor. You're right. When given the right script and director, Sylvestor Stallone is a good actor.
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 12:03:17 GMT
I guess they sold toys cause kids were going to see these movies and were into the mindless action. But yeah, these films are classics, especially First Blood. The 4th one is also very good. But knowing all of the stuff that occurs in these two particular films like violence, gore, torture, mayhem, and PTSD, making toys and cartoons based on these films for children was and is iffy. I'm not saying that there aren't children who could possibly handle the content in these films. It's that it might not be appropriate for them yet.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 15, 2020 12:24:45 GMT
I understand why the first movie is a classic. I think calling the second movie a classic is giving it too much credit. Personal dislike of the movie aside, that movie is only a classic by association imo. First Blood: Part II is an idiotic action movie with very little thrills and lame action scenes. The first movie is a well made OTT character study. Most people know that Sylvester Stallone is a good actor when he has the right script and director. But I still enjoyed the second film. And it developed John Rambo's character a bit by showing that despite his personal issues and dealing with what he's been through, he wants to help and protect people. Even the film's ending showcased this by the conversation he had with his mentor. I also like the conversation between Rambo and Co on the boat.
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Post by James on Aug 15, 2020 12:57:03 GMT
I guess they sold toys cause kids were going to see these movies and were into the mindless action. But yeah, these films are classics, especially First Blood. The 4th one is also very good. But knowing all of the stuff that occurs in these two particular films like violence, gore, torture, mayhem, and PTSD, making toys and cartoons based on these films for children was and is iffy. I'm not saying that there aren't children who could possibly handle the content in these films. It's that it might not be appropriate for them yet. Well they wouldn’t make toys when the first movie came out, since that was played as more of a drama. It was after Part II that they started to make them since Rambo became huge when that became a massive success. |
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Post by politicidal on Aug 15, 2020 14:38:51 GMT
The first one was excellent. Part two is silly but entertaining 80s cheese.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 15, 2020 15:26:23 GMT
I understand why the first movie is a classic. I think calling the second movie a classic is giving it too much credit. Personal dislike of the movie aside, that movie is only a classic by association imo. First Blood: Part II is an idiotic action movie with very little thrills and lame action scenes. The first movie is a well made OTT character study. Most people know that Sylvester Stallone is a good actor when he has the right script and director. I get what you're saying. I didn't like Part II as much as the first film. It was kind of mindless action and wasn't as deep as the first film. I felt fully immersed in First Blood and felt like I was going through the same BS as John Rambo was. I felt kind of disconnected from Rambo: First Blood Part II. Though, even with that film, I still felt like I was going through it with him, especially during the torture scenes. What was missing was that emotional punch the first film had concerning him dealing with his PTSD. But I still enjoyed the second film. And it developed John Rambo's character a bit by showing that despite his personal issues and dealing with what he's been through, he wants to help and protect people. Even the film's ending showcased this by the conversation he had with his mentor. You're right. When given the right script and director, Sylvestor Stallone is a good actor. Yes, but I need to care about the story. The story and directing of FBII is boring to me. Rambo (2008) does a similar thing better and I still dislike that movie. I am not denying that it throws some character stuff into the movie, the problem is that this time I didn't care. I have no issue with dumb action movies, but this movie happens to be no fun.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Aug 15, 2020 15:39:43 GMT
This is kind of a review. I finally saw the first two Rambo films for the first time ever yesterday on AMC and I'm kind of angry at myself for not seeing these films sooner because they are AWESOME! I'm not an action film fan but after watching these films, I understand why these films are beloved classics. The action in both films always kept me on my toes and the suspense was palpable. Though, what I really enjoyed was the character of John Rambo. Even though he is a BADASS, I couldn't help but feel so sorry for him. Especially in the first film. This man has been through so much and he's unfortunately still being put through a lot of BS. But, it never slowed him down. In fact, he's proven himself to be resilient AF. Sylvestor Stallone's performance, even in the first film, show that he's actually a good actor. He was believable as a traumatized, brutalized veteran who only wanted to have peace in his life only for that to be shattered by cold-hearted individuals, whether homegrown or foreign. No lie but I was actually teary eyed at the end of the first film and was teary eyed at one point during the second film as well. Also, watching both films, I was perplexed and I'm still perplexed by how these two films ended up creating toys and cartoons for children! These are two HARD R films for crying out loud! I think these films are now my new favorites. That was the 80s for you, adult movies with a kids market in there. They had toys for Aliens, Robocop and probably more. Nowadays, it has to be a 12a. 80s violence used to be a real selling point. Action heroes like Stallone, Arnie, Bruce Willis etc - they were the super heroes of the day. I enjoy First Blood part 2 even more today than I did back then. It's brilliant one man army action. They don't make them like that anymore. The first is a great one that brings the Vietnam war back to small town America.
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Post by Jason143 on Aug 15, 2020 16:06:06 GMT
The first 4 movies are all great.
I love the different feel of each. First one is a low key character study in a rural small American town. The second is wall to wall action filled with plenty of practical stunts in the jungles of Vietnam. The third develops the brilliant relationship of Rambo and Colonel Trautman that was briefly touched on in the first 2 movies, amidst the rocky terrains of Russia. And Rambo 4 is an ultra violent bloodfest take on Rambos twilight years showcasing the brutality of the Burmese army.
The recent new one that came out is utter garbage and no real Rambo fan should consider it canon.
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 22:23:23 GMT
But I still enjoyed the second film. And it developed John Rambo's character a bit by showing that despite his personal issues and dealing with what he's been through, he wants to help and protect people. Even the film's ending showcased this by the conversation he had with his mentor. I also like the conversation between Rambo and Co on the boat. You mean during Part II?
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 22:42:11 GMT
But knowing all of the stuff that occurs in these two particular films like violence, gore, torture, mayhem, and PTSD, making toys and cartoons based on these films for children was and is iffy. I'm not saying that there aren't children who could possibly handle the content in these films. It's that it might not be appropriate for them yet. Well they wouldn’t make toys when the first movie came out, since that was played as more of a drama. It was after Part II that they started to make them since Rambo became huge when that became a massive success. Indeed. The success of Part II kicked this off. But, if I was a parent, I'd be hard-pressed to explain to my children the kind of character John Rambo really represent, why he does the things he does, and the horrible things that happened to him AND happens to him. Let alone buy toys based off of these films. But, hey, it depends on whether the parents are comfortable with this. You know what? Come to think of it, I guess he's kind of the 1980s version of Deadpool because nowadays, Deadpool is kind of being given the same treatment. EDITED
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 22:44:59 GMT
I get what you're saying. I didn't like Part II as much as the first film. It was kind of mindless action and wasn't as deep as the first film. I felt fully immersed in First Blood and felt like I was going through the same BS as John Rambo was. I felt kind of disconnected from Rambo: First Blood Part II. Though, even with that film, I still felt like I was going through it with him, especially during the torture scenes. What was missing was that emotional punch the first film had concerning him dealing with his PTSD. But I still enjoyed the second film. And it developed John Rambo's character a bit by showing that despite his personal issues and dealing with what he's been through, he wants to help and protect people. Even the film's ending showcased this by the conversation he had with his mentor. You're right. When given the right script and director, Sylvestor Stallone is a good actor. Yes, but I need to care about the story. The story and directing of FBII is boring to me. Rambo (2008) does a similar thing better and I still dislike that movie. I am not denying that it throws some character stuff into the movie, the problem is that this time I didn't care. I have no issue with dumb action movies, but this movie happens to be no fun. I understand.
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 15, 2020 22:53:15 GMT
Well they wouldn’t make toys when the first movie came out, since that was played as more of a drama. It was after Part II that they started to make them since Rambo became huge when that became a massive success. Indeed. The success of Part II kicked this off. But, if I was a parent, I'd be hard-pressed to explain to my children what kind of character John Rambo really represent, why he does the things he does, and the horrible things that happened to him AND happens to him. Let alone buy toys based off of these films. But, hey, it depends on whether the parents are comfortable with this. Kids who didn't see the movies were watching the Rambo Saturday morning cartoon series, so parents didn't have to explain Rambo to them. The cartoon was kind of like GI Joe. 
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 23:37:27 GMT
This is kind of a review. I finally saw the first two Rambo films for the first time ever yesterday on AMC and I'm kind of angry at myself for not seeing these films sooner because they are AWESOME! I'm not an action film fan but after watching these films, I understand why these films are beloved classics. The action in both films always kept me on my toes and the suspense was palpable. Though, what I really enjoyed was the character of John Rambo. Even though he is a BADASS, I couldn't help but feel so sorry for him. Especially in the first film. This man has been through so much and he's unfortunately still being put through a lot of BS. But, it never slowed him down. In fact, he's proven himself to be resilient AF. Sylvestor Stallone's performance, even in the first film, show that he's actually a good actor. He was believable as a traumatized, brutalized veteran who only wanted to have peace in his life only for that to be shattered by cold-hearted individuals, whether homegrown or foreign. No lie but I was actually teary eyed at the end of the first film and was teary eyed at one point during the second film as well. Also, watching both films, I was perplexed and I'm still perplexed by how these two films ended up creating toys and cartoons for children! These are two HARD R films for crying out loud! I think these films are now my new favorites. That was the 80s for you, adult movies with a kids market in there. They had toys for Aliens, Robocop and probably more. Nowadays, it has to be a 12a. 80s violence used to be a real selling point. Action heroes like Stallone, Arnie, Bruce Willis etc - they were the super heroes of the day. I enjoy First Blood part 2 even more today than I did back then. It's brilliant one man army action. They don't make them like that anymore. The first is a great one that brings the Vietnam war back to small town America. Totally! It's like a weird yet cool oxymoron.  I'm glad that you've enjoyed Part II than you did before. I hope that I also have that experience. And they definitely don't make these types of action films anymore which is a shame. Nowadays, it's somewhat watered down. That's probably why I love the first film so much. The small town's peace was forever shattered because they basically made the colossal mistake of rejecting a human being who was willing to put his life on the line to protect them and the rest of America from foreign enemies. And they themselves ended up turning on this poor man due to carelessness and pride to the point where they treated him exactly like the bad guys they sent him to fight. Thus, he viewed them as traitors (and rightfully so). EDITED
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 15, 2020 23:45:05 GMT
Indeed. The success of Part II kicked this off. But, if I was a parent, I'd be hard-pressed to explain to my children what kind of character John Rambo really represent, why he does the things he does, and the horrible things that happened to him AND happens to him. Let alone buy toys based off of these films. But, hey, it depends on whether the parents are comfortable with this. Kids who didn't see the movies were watching the Rambo Saturday morning cartoon series, so parents didn't have to explain Rambo to them. The cartoon was kind of like GI Joe. Oh! I see.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 15, 2020 23:59:36 GMT
I also like the conversation between Rambo and Co on the boat. You mean during Part II? Yes.
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