Jason143
Junior Member
@glaceon
Posts: 1,242
Likes: 610
|
Post by Jason143 on Aug 29, 2020 14:45:30 GMT
No spoilers but Tenet is easily the worst Nolan movie. The biggest problem is you cannot freakin hear or understand 50% of the dialogue. This film has the most horrendous, unprofessional sound mixing my ears have ever been put through. Barely a line of dialogue was coherent. Coupled with a convoluted, complex plot dealing with a very complex concept, watching this film felt more like an exhausting marathon. You need a schematic to understand what is happening on screen and more importantly why because its so unforgiving on first watch.
The cinematography is bland, sterile, uninteresting, which isn't something I'd usually comment on but the storytelling was so poorly executed that I started noticing these things.
This is the bad side of what can happen when a director has complete control and no oversight. How this movie is above 80% is beyond me
4/10
|
|
|
|
Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 29, 2020 14:51:42 GMT
"How this movie is above 80% is beyond me"
Nolan has a very dedicated, rabid fanbase that will upvote just about anything he makes. I remember way back when The Dark Knight came out and the Nolanites were desperately trying to make it #1 on IMDB (purposely downvoting the other films ahead of it).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 14:58:27 GMT
So falls the house of Nolan...
|
|
Jason143
Junior Member
@glaceon
Posts: 1,242
Likes: 610
|
Post by Jason143 on Aug 29, 2020 15:17:30 GMT
"How this movie is above 80% is beyond me" Nolan has a very dedicated, rabid fanbase that will upvote just about anything he makes. I remember way back when The Dark Knight came out and the Nolanites were desperately trying to make it #1 on IMDB (purposely downvoting the other films ahead of it). Nolanites are a rabid cult like the Snyder cultists you're right, but this blind faith in his work is crazy and I believe ultimately responsible for Nolans inflated ego. I like his other movies. I thought Dunkirk and Interstellar were brilliant. But Tenet is just a self indulgent pretentious overly complicated movie that tries to be tooooo smart. |
|
|
|
Post by pennypacker on Aug 29, 2020 15:30:01 GMT
I'm glad more people are complaining about the sound. I could only hear like, 25% of the dialogue and was worried something was wrong with me. When I saw the Inception re-release a couple of weeks ago, there was a some behind the scenes Tenet footage shown before the movie and the cast was hyping the plane crash scene. When it finally happened, I was pretty underwhelmed... And most of what we saw in the trailers happened in the first half hour. Blew their wad waaay too quick. I still think it's worth a watch. Maybe even another because, again, I couldn't hear shit the first time. But I also can't tell if I'm judging it harsher because of all the blue-balling. Maybe I would have liked it more if it wasn't delayed so much. |
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2020 15:30:42 GMT
"How this movie is above 80% is beyond me" Nolan has a very dedicated, rabid fanbase that will upvote just about anything he makes. I remember way back when The Dark Knight came out and the Nolanites were desperately trying to make it #1 on IMDB (purposely downvoting the other films ahead of it). Nolanites are a rabid cult like the Snyder cultists you're right, but this blind faith in his work is crazy and I believe ultimately responsible for Nolans inflated ego. I like his other movies. I thought Dunkirk and Interstellar were brilliant. But Tenet is just a self indulgent pretentious overly complicated movie that tries to be tooooo smart. The irony here is that Dunkirk is one of his lowest rated movies on IMDB. So clearly there isn't always blind loyalty. That is what you should have said btw, not blind faith. He has earned the confidence that his fanbase has in him.
|
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2020 15:33:14 GMT
I'm glad more people are complaining about the sound. I could only hear like, 25% of the dialogue and was worried something was wrong with me. When I saw the Inception re-release a couple of weeks ago, there was a some behind the scenes Tenet footage shown before the movie and the cast was hyping the plane crash scene. When it finally happened, I was pretty underwhelmed... And most of what we saw in the trailers happened in the first half hour. Blew their wad waaay too quick. I still think it's worth a watch. Maybe even another because, again, I couldn't hear shit the first time. But I also can't tell if I'm judging it harsher because of all the blue-balling. Maybe I would have liked it more if it wasn't delayed so much. So why is it worth a watch? You can't just throw a bunch of negatives around and then say the movie is worth a watch without some kind of explanation.
|
|
|
|
Post by pennypacker on Aug 29, 2020 15:48:23 GMT
I'm glad more people are complaining about the sound. I could only hear like, 25% of the dialogue and was worried something was wrong with me. When I saw the Inception re-release a couple of weeks ago, there was a some behind the scenes Tenet footage shown before the movie and the cast was hyping the plane crash scene. When it finally happened, I was pretty underwhelmed... And most of what we saw in the trailers happened in the first half hour. Blew their wad waaay too quick. I still think it's worth a watch. Maybe even another because, again, I couldn't hear shit the first time. But I also can't tell if I'm judging it harsher because of all the blue-balling. Maybe I would have liked it more if it wasn't delayed so much. So why is it worth a watch? You can't just throw a bunch of negatives around and then say the movie is worth a watch without some kind of explanation. Yes I can. |
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2020 15:55:39 GMT
So why is it worth a watch? You can't just throw a bunch of negatives around and then say the movie is worth a watch without some kind of explanation. Yes I can. I didn't mean that literally. I was just saying that I would like to know what you liked about it, because you just said what you disliked about it. Other positive reviews have complained about the sound as well and many reviews are saying the movie is good, but one of his lesser movies.
|
|
|
|
Post by pennypacker on Aug 29, 2020 16:05:31 GMT
I didn't mean that literally. I was just saying that I would like to know what you liked about it, because you just said what you disliked about it. Other positive reviews have complained about the sound as well and many reviews are saying the movie is good, but one of his lesser movies. It goes without saying that it does Nolan-centric things well. Conceptually, it’s great I think. The action was excellent too, but there really wasn’t a lot of it unfortunately. Even the worst Nolan films are worth watching, imo. And I hope it does well at the box office, mostly for the sake of the industry though. |
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2020 16:09:58 GMT
I didn't mean that literally. I was just saying that I would like to know what you liked about it, because you just said what you disliked about it. Other positive reviews have complained about the sound as well and many reviews are saying the movie is good, but one of his lesser movies. It goes without saying that it does Nolan-centric things well. Conceptually, it’s great I think. The action was excellent too, but there really wasn’t a lot of it unfortunately. Even the worst Nolan films are worth watching, imo. And I hope it does well at the box office, mostly for the sake of the industry though. Thanks for your response. The reactions seem to be different from person to person regarding this movie more than most movies. Even the people who like it seem to differ on why they like it.
|
|
|
|
Post by jervistetch on Aug 29, 2020 16:15:03 GMT
Is there no way to fix or enhance the sound of a movie after they realize it was recorded poorly? Why isn’t that something they would realize after day 1 of filming? It seems like, at this point, they would have the technology to fix that.
|
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2020 16:17:27 GMT
Is there no way to fix or enhance the sound of a movie after they realize it was recorded poorly? Why isn’t that something they would realize after day 1 of filming? It seems like, at this point, they would have the technology to fix that. I am convinced that he does it purposely. I had similar issues with the sound in The Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar, though I could still understand all the dialogue. The sound stuff is done in post-production I think.
|
|
|
|
Post by jervistetch on Aug 29, 2020 16:35:17 GMT
One of my favorite Robert Altman moves is 1971’s McCABE & MRS. MILLER. My one complaint was that I couldn’t understand half the dialogue. I recently bought the Criterion Collection Blu-Ray version thinking, “Finally, I’ll be able to hear it!” The sound was still shite. But that film was made 50 years ago. There’s no excuse for it today. Unless it is, in fact, intentional. Which is just stupid.
|
|
|
|
Post by Archelaus on Aug 29, 2020 16:40:05 GMT
This isn't appealing to read about, and I'm seeing the movie on Monday in IMAX. The sound mixing has to be deliberate given some of the dialogue in Interstellar was nearly incomprehensible especially the scene where Dr. Brand was on his death bed. Fortunately, when I saw The Dark Knight Rises in theaters, my screening had subtitles so we could understand what Bane was saying. One of my favorite Robert Altman moves is 1971’s McCABE & MRS. MILLER. My one complaint was that I couldn’t understand half the dialogue. I recently bought the Criterion Collection Blu-Ray version thinking, “Finally, I’ll be able to hear it!” The sound was still shite. But that film was made 50 years ago. There’s no excuse for it today. Unless it is, in fact, intentional. Which is just stupid. I remember reading about that in the book Easy Riders, Raging Bulls by Peter Biskind. Robert Altman stated the poor sound mixing was intentional. After all, his auteur trademark was to have two characters talking to each other simultaneously. |
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Aug 29, 2020 16:41:15 GMT
One of my favorite Robert Altman moves is 1971’s McCABE & MRS. MILLER. My one complaint was that I couldn’t understand half the dialogue. I recently bought the Criterion Collection Blu-Ray version thinking, “Finally, I’ll be able to hear it!” The sound was still shite. But that film was made 50 years ago. There’s no excuse for it today. Unless it is, in fact, intentional. Which is just stupid. I could understand all the dialogue in that movie. I think I may have more focused hearing than many people though. Everyone complained about not being able to understand much of Bane's dialogue in the Dark Knight Rises, but I could understand almost every line he said very well. The issue is that Nolan seems to care more about the score than he does about the dialogue in his movies, which is why he ups the volume of the score and sound effects and that makes the dialogue more difficult to hear in his movies compared to most movies.
|
|
senan90
Junior Member
@senan90
Posts: 1,452
Likes: 546
|
Post by senan90 on Aug 30, 2020 22:27:07 GMT
One of my favorite Robert Altman moves is 1971’s McCABE & MRS. MILLER. My one complaint was that I couldn’t understand half the dialogue. I recently bought the Criterion Collection Blu-Ray version thinking, “Finally, I’ll be able to hear it!” The sound was still shite. But that film was made 50 years ago. There’s no excuse for it today. Unless it is, in fact, intentional. Which is just stupid. I think the context helps it, it's a community in the mountains that are boisterous and it's a way to integrate the viewer into their surroundings. It was intended to be mumbly. Also the dinner scene with McCabe and Mrs Miller is awkward and the mumbling helps that situation. But the irritating thing about movies nowadays is this trend to make the characters mumble as a realistic quirk when it doesn't need to.
|
|
|
|
Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 30, 2020 22:53:46 GMT
I managed to watch the movie. I thought the bad sound was just due to the method I used to watch it, which allegedly may have been through finding an alleged cam version (or so it's been alleged), but it seems like even people who saw it in theaters are complaining about the sound.
|
|
|
|
Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 30, 2020 23:00:11 GMT
Follow-up to my last post: the movie definitely got confusing, and I had to Google "Tenet explained" articles to figure some stuff out. For instance, I couldn't figure out why the future people wanted to invert time, mostly because I couldn't hear what the character were saying when discussing it. Overall, I enjoyed the movie, but poor sound mixing and some confusing elements bring it down a bit. A question for anyone who's seen it (and please remember to use a spoiler tag in your response): What was the deal with the wife's bullet wound? She was shot whole inverted, then un-inverted, then they mention that they need to re-invert her or she'll die but then they un-invert her again later, so... I'm confused. |
|
|
|
Post by faustus5 on Aug 31, 2020 12:56:39 GMT
Coupled with a convoluted, complex plot dealing with a very complex concept, watching this film felt more like an exhausting marathon. You need a schematic to understand what is happening on screen and more importantly why because its so unforgiving on first watch. Sounds like exactly the kind of movie I wanted it to be.
|
|
