Jason143
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Post by Jason143 on Sept 2, 2020 15:14:32 GMT
All over facebook, twitter and forums I keep seeing a similar trend of opinion which goes something like:
I didnt understand the movie but I enjoyed it a lot.
I couldn't understand most of the dialogue but I enjoyed it a lot.
I need to watch this movie another 3 times to fully understand it but I enjoyed it a lot.
Wtf? If Tenet was made by any other director it would be getting hammered in the reviews. Nolan is getting away with it big time its like no one dares to criticise his movies
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 2, 2020 15:35:14 GMT
I'm not shocked. I've seem people on this board say they think Interstellar is "brilliant".
To understand all of what's happening in Interstellar you have to take notes. Nolan tricks you into believing he knows what he's doing, and when you don't get it, you assume it was too smart for you to get the first time. There is nothing brilliant about Interstellar because it doesn't make any sense.
I'm not shocked when I hear this at all. I'm sure the movie looks really cool. But I'm also positive that if I watch it and take notes, none of it will make any sense.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 15:45:30 GMT
I'm not shocked. I've seem people on this board say they think Interstellar is "brilliant". To understand all of what's happening in Interstellar you have to take notes. Nolan tricks you into believing he knows what he's doing, and when you don't get it, you assume it was too smart for you to get the first time. There is nothing brilliant about Interstellar because it doesn't make any sense. I'm not shocked when I hear this at all. I'm sure the movie looks really cool. But I'm also positive that if I watch it and take notes, none of it will make any sense. Movies don't need to make sense for me to like or even love them. They need to be interesting, entertaining, visceral and creative. Movies are akin to a spiritual experience for me. Tenet is nonsense, but it is one hell of an interesting, thrilling and visceral experience. Also, news flash, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. That is your ego that is talking.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 2, 2020 15:46:05 GMT
I liked it but trying to understand it is still maddening even after a second viewing. A step down from Dunkirk, which I think is one of the best movies from the previous decade.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 15:48:37 GMT
I liked it but trying to understand it is still maddening even after a second viewing. A step down from Dunkirk, which I think is one of the best movies from the previous decade. "Don't try to understand it. Feel it." 
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 16:07:11 GMT
I'm not shocked. I've seem people on this board say they think Interstellar is "brilliant". To understand all of what's happening in Interstellar you have to take notes. Nolan tricks you into believing he knows what he's doing, and when you don't get it, you assume it was too smart for you to get the first time. There is nothing brilliant about Interstellar because it doesn't make any sense. I'm not shocked when I hear this at all. I'm sure the movie looks really cool. But I'm also positive that if I watch it and take notes, none of it will make any sense. I don't think Interstellar is brilliant, but it is full of great sci-fi ideas. Most of the movie makes complete sense from a story perspective to me though, until the ending which jumps the shark a bit. It is brilliant from a directing standpoint imo and I care more about the feel of a movie and the thoughts and ideas it provokes about reality and existence then whether it has a technically good/great script. People need to get it through their head that different people like movies for different reasons and some people aren't concerned about how much sense a movie makes. Some movies are meant for the viewer to take whatever they want from it.
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 2, 2020 16:13:45 GMT
I'm not shocked. I've seem people on this board say they think Interstellar is "brilliant". To understand all of what's happening in Interstellar you have to take notes. Nolan tricks you into believing he knows what he's doing, and when you don't get it, you assume it was too smart for you to get the first time. There is nothing brilliant about Interstellar because it doesn't make any sense. I'm not shocked when I hear this at all. I'm sure the movie looks really cool. But I'm also positive that if I watch it and take notes, none of it will make any sense. I don't think Interstellar is brilliant, but it is full of great sci-fi ideas. Most of the movie makes complete sense from a story perspective to me though, until the ending which jumps the shark a bit. It is brilliant from a directing standpoint imo and I care more about the feel of a movie and the thoughts and ideas it provokes about reality and existence then whether it has a technically good/great script. People need to get it through their head that different people like movies for different reasons and some people aren't concerned about how much sense a movie makes. Some movies are meant for the viewer to take whatever they want from it. I don't disagree with anything you've said. But I stand by my post. I'll gladly take it back if someone can tell me how the end makes sense. But you make good points as usual. I concede that a movie doesn't have to make sense for me to like it. I can think of quite a few examples now that you mention it. |
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 16:22:51 GMT
I don't think Interstellar is brilliant, but it is full of great sci-fi ideas. Most of the movie makes complete sense from a story perspective to me though, until the ending which jumps the shark a bit. It is brilliant from a directing standpoint imo and I care more about the feel of a movie and the thoughts and ideas it provokes about reality and existence then whether it has a technically good/great script. People need to get it through their head that different people like movies for different reasons and some people aren't concerned about how much sense a movie makes. Some movies are meant for the viewer to take whatever they want from it. I don't disagree with anything you've said. But I stand by my post. I'll gladly take it back if someone can tell me how the end makes sense. But you make good points as usual. I concede that a movie doesn't have to make sense for me to like it. I can think of quite a few examples now that you mention it. I already agreed that the ending doesn't make sense. I don't think Nolan intended it to make sense, but in this case his choice to go that route was a mistake imo. Nolan loves the abstract. I am definitely open for someone to make the case that it does make sense though.
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Jason143
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Post by Jason143 on Sept 2, 2020 16:25:14 GMT
I'm not shocked. I've seem people on this board say they think Interstellar is "brilliant". To understand all of what's happening in Interstellar you have to take notes. Nolan tricks you into believing he knows what he's doing, and when you don't get it, you assume it was too smart for you to get the first time. There is nothing brilliant about Interstellar because it doesn't make any sense. I'm not shocked when I hear this at all. I'm sure the movie looks really cool. But I'm also positive that if I watch it and take notes, none of it will make any sense. I agree that he does try to catch the audience out a little too much in every movie but thats become his trademark. I think he created Tenet with a mind to deliberately make the movie as complex and confusing as possible so no smarty pants fans would be able to say they "got it" or could see the twist coming miles away. Its almost Nolan making a film thats subtly egomaniacal and really him saying you can't fuc% with me on this one now sit down. |
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Post by Jason143 on Sept 2, 2020 16:27:00 GMT
I don't disagree with anything you've said. But I stand by my post. I'll gladly take it back if someone can tell me how the end makes sense. But you make good points as usual. I concede that a movie doesn't have to make sense for me to like it. I can think of quite a few examples now that you mention it. Not to derail my own thread too much but what doesnt make sense at the end of interstellar? Its much more easier to follow than Tenet |
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 2, 2020 16:41:41 GMT
I don't disagree with anything you've said. But I stand by my post. I'll gladly take it back if someone can tell me how the end makes sense. But you make good points as usual. I concede that a movie doesn't have to make sense for me to like it. I can think of quite a few examples now that you mention it. Not to derail my own thread too much but what doesnt make sense at the end of interstellar? Its much more easier to follow than Tenet This is a precious post I made here: "Explain to me how we're supposed to believe this: 1. Professor John Brand can’t solve the gravity equation because… 2. They need more data to solve the equation. They needed to see inside a black hole. 3. TARS goes into the black hole in an attempt to retrieve the quantum data needed to solve the gravity equation. 4. TARS relays the quantum data to Cooper in Morse code. Cooper in turn relays the quantum data to Murph, in Morse code, through the hands of a wrist watch. 5. Murph somehow knows it’s her father relaying quantum data to her through the watch. Explain to me how we're supposed to believe Murph magically realizes it's her father speaking to her in the house, and that he's relaying quantum data to her in Morse code through the watch. How does that make any sense? Side Note: Still love the film even if it makes no sense." Ha I forget I added that side note part at the end. I did actually like the movie both of the times I watched it, but I still can't believe in any universe that Murph would ever know that the watch was her father relaying quantum data in morse code. |
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Post by ck100 on Sept 2, 2020 16:50:26 GMT
No matter how you feel about his movies, at least Nolan gets you talking about them.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 16:53:25 GMT
Not to derail my own thread too much but what doesnt make sense at the end of interstellar? Its much more easier to follow than Tenet This is a precious post I made here: "Explain to me how we're supposed to believe this: 1. Professor John Brand can’t solve the gravity equation because… 2. They need more data to solve the equation. They needed to see inside a black hole. 3. TARS goes into the black hole in an attempt to retrieve the quantum data needed to solve the gravity equation. 4. TARS relays the quantum data to Cooper in Morse code. Cooper in turn relays the quantum data to Murph, in Morse code, through the hands of a wrist watch. 5. Murph somehow knows it’s her father relaying quantum data to her through the watch. Explain to me how we're supposed to believe Murph magically realizes it's her father speaking to her in the house, and that he's relaying quantum data to her in Morse code through the watch. How does that make any sense? Side Note: Still love the film even if it makes no sense." Ha I forget I added that side note part at the end. I did actually like the movie both of the times I watched it, but I still can't believe in any universe that Murph would ever know that the watch was her father relaying quantum data in morse code. You didn't even touch on how Cooper survives and then just being found in space somewhere. I was lost on most of what happens after him and Anne Hathaway's characters get separated and he ends up in that place where he can see time from different perspectives.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 2, 2020 16:57:20 GMT
I've made the point that it's not a well-reviewed movie, and people often "correct" me that it's got a good RT score. My response to that is that the "good" reviews often sound a lot like bad reviews, except they end with, "but I liked it anyway".
Personally, I really liked it, but there are many valid criticisms. The sound mixing is bad (there were many times where it was hard to understand what people were saying, including times when important information was being exchanged). Some of the logic of the movie doesn't really hold up of you think about it too hard. Also, some of the things that happen weren't adequately explained, IMO.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 17:48:49 GMT
I'm not shocked. I've seem people on this board say they think Interstellar is "brilliant". To understand all of what's happening in Interstellar you have to take notes. Nolan tricks you into believing he knows what he's doing, and when you don't get it, you assume it was too smart for you to get the first time. There is nothing brilliant about Interstellar because it doesn't make any sense. I'm not shocked when I hear this at all. I'm sure the movie looks really cool. But I'm also positive that if I watch it and take notes, none of it will make any sense. I got Interstellar right off the bat. Nolan uses a lot of historical and literary allusions, so many people probably will not understand it without doing a bit of homework...which I think is great. The film medium has great potential to educate in places where our school systems are failing. I’ll give Nolan credit for trying to give his fans something to think about rather than just feel. What it seems you are saying is that it doesn't make sense on it's own merit. It is like making a movie where someone has to have read Hamlet in order to understand the movie and the movie isn't Hamlet. The second part of what you are saying is like a teacher giving you a test and not telling you what the test is about before hand. You would have no idea where to begin with what to research, because the test could be about anything. In general I agree that movies like this can get to people to study stuff and that is a good thing. Because of Tenet I now know what the Sator Square is and read about the history of it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 2, 2020 18:00:40 GMT
This is a valid statement to make depending on the movie. For instance I didn't "understand" Eraserhead (it's more of a visual experience that doesn't have a real coherent plot structure). However with mainstream blockbusters that typically are supposed to have straight forward plots, that leads me to believe Tenet is an inchorent mess.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 18:02:50 GMT
This is a valid statement to make depending on the movie. For instance I didn't "understand" Eraserhead (it's more of a visual experience that doesn't have a real coherent plot structure). However with mainstream blockbusters that typically are supposed to have straight forward plots, that leads me to believe Tenet is an inchorent mess. That being the key. Nolan doesn't like straight-forward plots. He couldn't even tell Dunkirk in a straight-forward way. The movie makes sense obviously, but the typical blockbuster it is not.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 18:13:13 GMT
What it seems you are saying is that it doesn't make sense on it's own merit. It is like making a movie where someone has to have read Hamlet in order to understand the movie and the movie isn't Hamlet. Yep. Some filmmakers make movies for grown ups with more than a high school education. Interstellar is a deep hardcore science fiction movie. I appreciate those types of films because they are few and far between. As to Hamlet, Will Shakespeare references the Great Britain of his day. There were several popular Hamlets that he based his play upon. I think the average Elizabethan playgoer would get what he’s talking about and spend lots of time afterwards in the pubs with friends rehashing its plot and meaning. They were no different than us. He also managed comedy scenes in tragedies for the quislings. I am not sure why you need to resort to insults. You seemed to have missed my point on the Hamlet comment I made. I am saying that if you understand "pick some famous play or novel or history of some place in the world" and you will understand "insert some random imaginary movie that doesn't make sense without having read some random thing of a pool of 5 million things in history or literature." You could say "I don't understand so and so" and I say "well, if you understood the history of the Hindu religion then you would have understood it." Are you suggesting that you know everything about everything?
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 18:20:07 GMT
That being the key. Nolan doesn't like straight-forward plots. He couldn't even tell Dunkirk in a straight-forward way. The movie makes sense obviously, but the typical blockbuster it is not. How is Dunkirk not straight forward in your opinion? The way he mixes the times at which the different fragments take place and later in the movie you will see intersect with a scene that happened from a different perspective earlier in the movie. It is easy to follow, but it is not straight-forward in the typical sense.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 2, 2020 18:31:35 GMT
I am not sure why you need to resort to insults. You seemed to have missed my point on the Hamlet comment I made. I am saying that if you understand "pick some famous play or novel or history of some place in the world" and you will understand "insert some random imaginary movie that doesn't make sense without having read some random thing of a pool of 5 million things in history or literature." You could say "I don't understand so and so" and I say "well, if you understood the history of the Hindu religion then you would have understood it." Are you suggesting that you know everything about everything? I did mean to insult anybody. That’s just how I see it. Like Shakespeare with the Prince of Denmark tale being well known then. Shakespeare even named his son after the character long before he wrote the play. Nolan is working the tropes well known to anyone who has read science-fiction in its original form. The theme of time dilation has been written about a lot. Nolan uses this to illustrate how love transcends this physical boundary. And love transcending boundaries is probably one of the most popular themes in literature.
Wait a minute here. That is the big secret? Even I know that. I assumed that it was also meant to make scientific sense. People think it is suppose to make sense literally. You are making it sound like the entire last act is metaphor.
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