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Post by faustus5 on Sept 11, 2020 17:55:36 GMT
No it isn't. It's a dichotomy. Science says you are full of shit.
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 11, 2020 18:43:17 GMT
Science says you are full of shit. We just went over this. Science says there are two types of gonads, testes and ovaries. Science says only one in 83,000 people has an abnormal "ovotestis". But the ovotestis is either more male or more female.
Please tell me, is there a gonad which is not a testis or an ovary or a combination of the two?
Sorry, there are only two genders.
We went over this already, and you are so fucking ignorant it went over your head. I cited a scientific paper whose headline directly contradicted the idea that there are two genders. Genders are a social construct influenced by biology, sex is biological, neither is binary, and your dumb obsession with genitalia leaves out how the brain is wired. Science does not and never will give a shit about your knuckle-dragging ignorance, your bigotry, or your feelings.
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 11, 2020 20:14:13 GMT
I've sent it to you at least twice already, and all you did was ignore it. Garbage human beings don't read scientific papers, apparently. Actually, it is factually not the case that every society on earth has said this for thousands of years. You don't know shit about anything, do you? YOUR position is actually the quack theory with a political agenda, and all you explained was your bottomless ignorance of the actual science, which is not limited to the genitals like your ignorant, simplistic model.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Sept 11, 2020 20:15:47 GMT
We went over this already, and you are so fucking ignorant it went over your head. I cited a scientific paper whose headline directly contradicted the idea that there are two genders. Genders are a social construct influenced by biology, sex is biological, neither is binary, and your dumb obsession with genitalia leaves out how the brain is wired. Science does not and never will give a shit about your knuckle-dragging ignorance, your bigotry, or your feelings. I see no such citation. And if there are quack theories with a political agenda, I just explained the scientific evidence to you. It confirms what every society on earth has said for thousands of years - there are two genders.
How the brain is wired?  Yeah, social constructs. There are either testes or ovaries, no third gonad. And that corresponds to the common sense dichotomy.
What are these multitude of genders you want to believe exist? Can you list them for us?  You are correct in that there are two biological genders: female and male. There are also a multitude of, for lack of better phrasing, psychological genders; that is, a gender with which one identifies regardless of their biological gender. Gender is not always conceived as binary, or strictly linked to biological sex.
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Post by Admin on Sept 11, 2020 20:38:32 GMT
Prove me wrong. I think if you’re born a man, or a woman. That’s who you are. Yes, you can't change your DNA, but if you feel you're in the wrong body, then you try and change that to look how you feel inside What makes one feel like a man or a woman if not snakes, snails, puppy dog tails, sugar, spice, and everything nice? If a girl wants to play with Tonka trucks, should she identify as a boy? Because the last I heard, none of those things should be gender-specific, and yet we encourage boys to identify as girls when they like to wear dresses and play with dolls? 
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Post by Stammerhead on Sept 11, 2020 23:13:43 GMT
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Post by moonchild on Sept 11, 2020 23:22:59 GMT
Yes, you can't change your DNA, but if you feel you're in the wrong body, then you try and change that to look how you feel inside What makes one feel like a man or a woman if not snakes, snails, puppy dog tails, sugar, spice, and everything nice? If a girl wants to play with Tonka trucks, should she identify as a boy? Because the last I heard, none of those things should be gender-specific, and yet we encourage boys to identify as girls when they like to wear dresses and play with dolls? Jazz Jennings knew from a young age that she wasn't a boy. I don't know if it's better to transition when your young or wait until you're old like Caitlyn Jenner I have empathy for them.
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Post by Admin on Sept 11, 2020 23:31:38 GMT
What makes one feel like a man or a woman if not snakes, snails, puppy dog tails, sugar, spice, and everything nice? If a girl wants to play with Tonka trucks, should she identify as a boy? Because the last I heard, none of those things should be gender-specific, and yet we encourage boys to identify as girls when they like to wear dresses and play with dolls? Jazz Jennings knew from a young age that she wasn't a boy. I don't know if it's better to transition when your young or wait until you're old like Caitlyn Jenner I have empathy for them. You said, "If you feel you're in the wrong body, then you try and change that to look how you feel inside." How does one try to look like any given gender if genders aren't defined by appearance? What makes one feel like a man or a woman?
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 12, 2020 0:00:44 GMT
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 1:55:28 GMT
Jazz Jennings knew from a young age that she wasn't a boy. I don't know if it's better to transition when your young or wait until you're old like Caitlyn Jenner I have empathy for them. You said, "If you feel you're in the wrong body, then you try and change that to look how you feel inside." How does one try to look like any given gender if genders aren't defined by appearance? What makes one feel like a man or a woman? It's something they struggle with. There was a boy who had a botched circumcision when he was a toddler. His penis was gone. His mother was told by a certain doctor to start raising him as a girl. The thinking was that if it starts early enough, the child won't know the difference But he did know. He was masculine and not girlish at all. He eventually learned the truth
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 1:57:41 GMT
You said, "If you feel you're in the wrong body, then you try and change that to look how you feel inside." How does one try to look like any given gender if genders aren't defined by appearance? What makes one feel like a man or a woman? It's something they struggle with. There was a boy who had a botched circumcision when he was a toddler. His penis was gone. His mother was told by a certain doctor to start raising him as a girl. The thinking was that if it starts early enough, the child won't know the difference But he did know. He was masculine and not girlish at all. He eventually learned the truth Masculine? Girlish? 
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 2:00:09 GMT
It's something they struggle with. There was a boy who had a botched circumcision when he was a toddler. His penis was gone. His mother was told by a certain doctor to start raising him as a girl. The thinking was that if it starts early enough, the child won't know the difference But he did know. He was masculine and not girlish at all. He eventually learned the truth Masculine? Girlish? He walked like a boy and fought like a boy. He wasn't like a girl and got made fun of
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:01:47 GMT
Masculine? Girlish? He walked like a boy and fought like a boy. He wasn't like a girl and got made fun of What does it mean to be "like a boy" or "like a girl?"
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 2:17:11 GMT
He walked like a boy and fought like a boy. He wasn't like a girl and got made fun of What does it mean to be "like a boy" or "like a girl"? Just observe the differences His name was Brian and was changed to Brenda. They raised him as a girl but he never "became" a girl. He was a boy no matter what his name was or whether he wore dresses You can't change someone's gender for them. It has to be something they chose for themselves because, in their mind, they don't relate to the gender they were born into
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:22:03 GMT
What does it mean to be "like a boy" or "like a girl"? Just observe the differences His name was Brian and was changed to Brenda. They raised him as a girl but he never "became" a girl. He was a boy no matter what his name was or whether he wore dresses You can't change someone's gender for them. It has to be something they chose for themselves because, in their mind, they don't relate to the gender they were born into What differences? Be specific, please. What makes one feel like a boy or a girl if not all those things we're not supposed to observe? Did Brian like Tonka trucks and not dolls? Is it because he liked to fight? Or what?
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 2:29:12 GMT
Just observe the differences His name was Brian and was changed to Brenda. They raised him as a girl but he never "became" a girl. He was a boy no matter what his name was or whether he wore dresses You can't change someone's gender for them. It has to be something they chose for themselves because, in their mind, they don't relate to the gender they were born into What differences? Be specific, please. What makes one feel like a boy or a girl if not all those things we're not supposed to observe? Did Brian like Tonka trucks and not dolls? Is it because he liked to fight? Or what? I confused his first name with his twin brother, but this is the story en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:32:39 GMT
What differences? Be specific, please. What makes one feel like a boy or a girl if not all those things we're not supposed to observe? Did Brian like Tonka trucks and not dolls? Is it because he liked to fight? Or what? I confused his first name with his twin brother, but this is the story en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer Well, that was fun. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/4246901/thread 
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 2:39:35 GMT
Just like if you started cross dressing you would still feel like a man, there are others who don't want to dress like the gender they were born into because they identify with feminine or masculine feelings, which ever the case I don't know what it's like to not feel like a female but a male instead but I understand that this does occur
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:55:50 GMT
Just like if you started cross dressing you would still feel like a man, there are others who don't want to dress like the gender they were born into because they identify with feminine or masculine feelings, which ever the case I don't know what it's like to not feel like a female but a male instead but I understand that this does occur What's it like to feel like a female? What exactly does someone mean when they say they're a man/woman trapped inside a woman/man's body? How can one identify their gender by things that are supposed to be gender neutral? Should a "biological boy" who likes to wear frilly dresses identify as a girl despite those who say frilly dresses should not be gender-specific? And what do you suppose would happen to someone who presumes a biological boy is a transgender girl because he likes to make sammiches in the kitchen? Do you not see the problem here?
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Sept 13, 2020 2:57:15 GMT
Well...they do.
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