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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 5:10:27 GMT
I think most people agree that that is how they feel, but to many people that sounds like a serious mental illness. I understand that position, but am not claiming that it is in fact a mental disorder. Experts seem to have varying opinions on this. It could be, but in the cases I've seen like Chaz Bono or Caitlyn Jenner, they seem to be enjoying their lives after they transitioned I have other thoughts on the matter that are more controversial and possibly problematic that I will stay away from. My position on the matter is that it is their life. I actually do have a mental disorder and my disorder is none of anyone else's business unless I do something to harm other people. It makes no difference to me whether it is a disorder or not.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 5:13:08 GMT
Yes, that is a predicament. That is up to the doctor and the patient though. If the doctor is fine with it and the patient wants it then it isn't my business. There is nothing about this that is or should be illegal imo. I see nothing morally wrong here. I think the TG community would argue that they aren't getting equal rights. Gay people and trans people don't even have the right to get married in some states. That is inequality right there. We can teach people to think better and educate people better. We can strive for that and that is the point I am making. We have proof that this works. Every minority group in the U.S. has more freedom and are more accepted now than they ever have been in the history of this country. It is still far from perfect, but we have come a long way. Gay people can GET married in case you haven’t heard. It is a federal ruling in the US as far as I know, unless something has changed. Any state that refuses a marriage license is breaking the law. Marriage is over-rated anyway and to my mind, not the best measure for what represents human rights in society. Okay, you got me there. Now I am informed about something I was ignorant about. See, it isn't hard.
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Post by moonchild on Sept 14, 2020 5:13:18 GMT
It could be, but in the cases I've seen like Chaz Bono or Caitlyn Jenner, they seem to be enjoying their lives after they transitioned I’d say Ms. Moon, examples listed are very highly intelligent people and not to mention, with or without any transition surgery, being the prolific individuals they are, they have pretty much lived the good life due to privilege. I don’t feel TG is so much a mental illness, in the sense that it is a debilitating illness that prevents them from functioning ordinarily in mundane society, but I do feel there are some mind disorders existing on the spectrum somewhere, if one wants to go down the psychological route. That's true and I did become acquainted with a transgender person when I was working but didn't know her well enough to know how her life was. She seemed fine as far as I could tell and I liked her a lot
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 5:23:34 GMT
Okay, you got me there. Now I am informed about something I was ignorant about. See, it isn't hard. You are far from ignorant and have NEVER given me that impression. We can’t know or understand everything. I was ignorant about that subject and you pointed it out. I admitted to it and now I am no longer ignorant on the issue. There is a huge difference between ignorance and stupidity.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 5:27:40 GMT
It could be, but in the cases I've seen like Chaz Bono or Caitlyn Jenner, they seem to be enjoying their lives after they transitioned I’d say Ms. Moon, examples listed are very highly intelligent people and not to mention, with or without any transition surgery, being the prolific individuals they are, they have pretty much lived the good life due to privilege. I don’t feel TG is so much a mental illness, in the sense that it is a debilitating illness that prevents them from functioning ordinarily in mundane society, but I do feel there are some mind disorders existing on the spectrum somewhere, if one wants to go down the psychological route. That isn't how I meant it. Most people with Asperger's are able to function in mundane society, but Asperger's is classified as a psychological disorder.
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Post by moonchild on Sept 14, 2020 5:28:47 GMT
That's true and I did become acquainted with a transgender person when I was working but didn't know her well enough to know how her life was. She seemed fine as far as I could tell and I liked her a lot She was being professional and by the sound of it, if she was comfortable with how she identified, it helped to create less friction with others by not making an issue of it. Although a TG will be respected by most and referred to as their preferred choice of gender pronoun, she will always be seen as TG and not authentic female. If she was seen as a real woman, then there would no need to even comment on her as being someone who transitioned. It just comes with the territory. She was a customer and yes, she did seem comfortable
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 5:34:16 GMT
Okay, you got me there. Now I am informed about something I was ignorant about. See, it isn't hard. You are far from ignorant and have NEVER given me that impression. We can’t know or understand everything. The trans rights stuff has to do with safety and fair treatment and it is a very complicated issue. It is stuff like what jail to be sent to if arrested for something, treatment in the military and discrimination in general. The stuff they are fighting for isn't as cut and dry as the civil rights stuff from the 1960's.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 5:36:08 GMT
I was ignorant about that subject and you pointed it out. I admitted to it and now I am no longer ignorant on the issue. There is a huge difference between ignorance and stupidity. You just weren’t aware. Ignorance goes a lot deeper to my mind. Ignorance they say is bliss, but that can apply to people that don’t want to accept or budge out of a current mindset that may not be doing them any favours. That is the base level definition of ignorance. Google definition of ignorance - lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing. What you are talking about is willful ignorance and that is something else entirely.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 5:46:27 GMT
That isn't how I meant it. Most people with Asperger's are able to function in mundane society, but Asperger's is classified as a psychological disorder. Disorders can take different forms within psychology. Anyone labelled with a disorder, can still interact as normal in society. As for TG, the gender is really irrelevant if being able to take care of oneself. Any demons of the mind becomes a personal issue to deal with and not anyone else’s unless it does affect them. I agree with all of that. Most mental disorders don't cause harm to other people, besides emotional trauma.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Sept 14, 2020 14:05:26 GMT
Your opinion does count and what you perceive also. With this touchy subject, it also needs to be seen with a reasonable take of sensibility and rationale. One needs to pick and choose their battles, but since its a constructed discussion about TG, I hardly think those are participating are going to feel offended, and if it is "truth" that they get offended by, then they need to own that for themselves. You may have something worth saying that they, "the offended", or others may need to hear. I'm just happy to see a thread reach 5 pages with no childish incivility. Ok, almost none, but I'll take it anyway. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) This thread is ridiculous. A lot of faux-intellectualism being bandied about. It is to laff at. Ha. Ha ha.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 20:52:26 GMT
I'm just happy to see a thread reach 5 pages with no childish incivility. Ok, almost none, but I'll take it anyway. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) This thread is ridiculous. A lot of faux-intellectualism being bandied about. It is to laff at. Ha. Ha ha. Well, so much for adult conversation. RIP thread
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 14, 2020 21:21:32 GMT
I'm just happy to see a thread reach 5 pages with no childish incivility. Ok, almost none, but I'll take it anyway. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) This thread is ridiculous. A lot of faux-intellectualism being bandied about. It is to laff at. Ha. Ha ha. It was kind of a predictable thread. While I have not seen admin before participating in a Transgender related thread (he may have only I may not have read those threads) I already know the opinions of most other members regarding the issue. My favourite poster on this board (IMDB V2) happens to be a transgender.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Sept 14, 2020 22:07:25 GMT
This thread is ridiculous. A lot of faux-intellectualism being bandied about. It is to laff at. Ha. Ha ha. It was kind of a predictable thread. While I have not seen admin before participating in a Transgender related thread (he may have only I may not have read those threads) I already know the opinions of most other members regarding the issue. My favourite poster on this board (IMDB V2) happens to be a transgender. I don't really care about anyone's sexual preference or with which gender they identify. But reading some of the tripe in this thread was . . . well, let's just say it has been . . . interesting.
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