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Post by clusium on Sept 28, 2020 14:24:34 GMT
I don't believe in any god. I'm just like a theist. I only go one god further. You mean you are just like a MONOTHEIST. There are different types of theists. Eg:Monotheists, polytheists, pantheists, etc.
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Post by goz on Sept 28, 2020 20:55:15 GMT
I don't know which atheists are you talking. For example, I'm a atheist and I don't claim that the human brain can explain everything. On the other hand my basic understanding of the human brain tells me that just because I can't explain everything, doesn't mean that a made up explanation (God) is the correct one. What do you mean by 'God'? Which God are you rejecting? My simple answer to your question, if I may, is 'anything that is outside of natural causes for the existence of the universe and life on earth ( or possibly elsewhere ) ie what is commonly coined as the supernatural. I think there is an absence of this and that the natural world and its processes can explain everything and humans are in a perpetual quest of understanding this. No supernatural, creator or 'first cause' required.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 28, 2020 21:26:56 GMT
I don't believe in any god. I'm just like a theist. I only go one god further. I'm a theist and I believe in all the Gods. IMO believing in one God but discounting all the others is illogical. Athiests only differ from most theists in that they just lack belief in one god more than they do.
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Post by goz on Sept 28, 2020 21:50:35 GMT
I don't believe in any god. I'm just like a theist. I only go one god further. I'm a theist and I believe in all the Gods. IMO believing in one God but discounting all the others is illogical. Then again, it's possible that all Gods are aspects of the same thing. How do your gods (plural) sort out who does what to whom, even if they are aspects of each other. Who sorts out the demarcations? Is there a boss god like in the Catholic triumvirate?
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Post by rizdek on Sept 28, 2020 22:35:49 GMT
I'm a theist and I believe in all the Gods. IMO believing in one God but discounting all the others is illogical. Then again, it's possible that all Gods are aspects of the same thing. How do your gods (plural) sort out who does what to whom, even if they are aspects of each other. Who sorts out the demarcations? Is there a boss god like in the Catholic triumvirate? They battle it out and that's why there are tsunamis, thunderstorms, volcanoes, meteor strikes, disease, pestilence and earthquakes. Their battles overflow into nature and wreak havoc.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 29, 2020 6:37:34 GMT
I'm a theist and I believe in all the Gods. IMO believing in one God but discounting all the others is illogical. Then again, it's possible that all Gods are aspects of the same thing. How do your gods (plural) sort out who does what to whom, even if they are aspects of each other. Who sorts out the demarcations? Is there a boss god like in the Catholic triumvirate? It's a big cosmic free-for-all.
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Post by goz on Sept 29, 2020 8:08:27 GMT
How do your gods (plural) sort out who does what to whom, even if they are aspects of each other. Who sorts out the demarcations? Is there a boss god like in the Catholic triumvirate? It's a big cosmic free-for-all. To me it sounds just like that WWW fake wrestling crapola.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 29, 2020 8:09:12 GMT
How do your gods (plural) sort out who does what to whom, even if they are aspects of each other. Who sorts out the demarcations? Is there a boss god like in the Catholic triumvirate? It's a big cosmic free-for-all. Your concept of gods fits a movie discussion board. "Religion" can be like making movies to deal with life and beyond. Especially the Greek gods were probably more like our movies than any of our religions. evening entertainments rather than worship. Superhero movies, moral lesson movies, complications of love movies and like that develop from "religious" speculation and are probably a part of being human, dealing with it all. Perhaps "cinematarian" should be a religious denomination.
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Post by goz on Sept 29, 2020 8:13:16 GMT
It's a big cosmic free-for-all. Your concept of gods fits a movie discussion board. "Religion" can be like making movies to deal with life and beyond. Especially the Greek gods were probably more like our movies than any of our religions. evening entertainments rather than worship. Superhero movies, moral lesson movies, complications of love movies and like that develop from "religious" speculation and are probably a part of being human, dealing with it all. Perhaps "cinematarian" should be a religious denomination. For once I agree. Religion is JUST like a movie....
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 29, 2020 8:37:43 GMT
Your concept of gods fits a movie discussion board. "Religion" can be like making movies to deal with life and beyond. Especially the Greek gods were probably more like our movies than any of our religions. evening entertainments rather than worship. Superhero movies, moral lesson movies, complications of love movies and like that develop from "religious" speculation and are probably a part of being human, dealing with it all. Perhaps "cinematarian" should be a religious denomination. For once I agree. Religion is JUST like a movie.... And you hate movies? What's your problem?
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Post by goz on Sept 29, 2020 8:51:54 GMT
For once I agree. Religion is JUST like a movie.... And you hate movies? What's your problem? I don't hate movies. Your conflation with me claiming that religion is a like a movie and therefore I hate stories because I am an atheist is BOTH pathetic and illogical. You are insane.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 29, 2020 9:10:53 GMT
And you hate movies? What's your problem? I don't hate movies. Your conflation with me claiming that religion is a like a movie and therefore I hate stories because I am an atheist is BOTH pathetic and illogical. You are insane. Again, one of us at least might have problems adjusting. A person might have inferred, however incorrectly, that the reason you don't like religion is that it is "just like a movie." If that is incorrect, then what is your problem with religion exactly?
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Post by goz on Sept 29, 2020 22:56:20 GMT
I don't hate movies. Your conflation with me claiming that religion is a like a movie and therefore I hate stories because I am an atheist is BOTH pathetic and illogical. You are insane. Again, one of us at least might have problems adjusting. A person might have inferred, however incorrectly, that the reason you don't like religion is that it is "just like a movie." If that is incorrect, then what is your problem with religion exactly? I love movies as they are representations of stories. Religion IS just like that... a made up story for those without the ability to use logic to differentiate myth from reality.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 30, 2020 0:06:45 GMT
Again, one of us at least might have problems adjusting. A person might have inferred, however incorrectly, that the reason you don't like religion is that it is "just like a movie." If that is incorrect, then what is your problem with religion exactly? I love movies as they are representations of stories. Religion IS just like that... a made up story for those without the ability to use logic to differentiate myth from reality. I'm usually here anytime you need help differentiating myth and reality.
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Post by goz on Sept 30, 2020 2:47:30 GMT
I love movies as they are representations of stories. Religion IS just like that... a made up story for those without the ability to use logic to differentiate myth from reality. I'm usually here anytime you need help differentiating myth and reality. Yet you notorious 'believe' that the myth of a creator and god is reality!
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 30, 2020 11:20:45 GMT
I'm usually here anytime you need help differentiating myth and reality. Yet you notorious 'believe' that the myth of a creator and god is reality! Actually you 'believe' it is not, and you do not properly characterize my views.
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Post by goz on Sept 30, 2020 20:43:06 GMT
Yet you notoriously 'believe' that the myth of a creator and god is reality! Actually you 'believe' it is not, and you do not properly characterize my views. OK. Pedantically I will alter my accusation to 'You propose in your arguments on here' ( whether you believe what you proposes is, as always open to interpretation)
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 30, 2020 21:14:30 GMT
Actually you 'believe' it is not, and you do not properly characterize my views. OK. Pedantically I will alter my accusation to 'You propose in your arguments on here' ( whether you believe what you proposes is, as always open to interpretation) We know that Arlon believes in a deliberate supernatural since he has told us that it is not possible that things could have been created initially through natural causes and that everything is designed. We also know that he thinks it is the source of a preferred morality as he has likened God to a code of ethics. That it is also inhuman and impersonal at the same time and those who think otherwise are not religiously literate. But all this notwithstanding God is also something vague and and an essence of nature, he says. We also remember that anything supernatural and eternal he considers "offending logic, measure and order". How all this coheres is any one's guess.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 30, 2020 22:35:29 GMT
OK. Pedantically I will alter my accusation to 'You propose in your arguments on here' ( whether you believe what you proposes is, as always open to interpretation) We know that Arlon believes in a deliberate supernatural since he has told us that it is not possible that things could have been created initially through natural causes and that everything is designed. We also know that he thinks it is the source of a preferred morality as he has likened God to a code of ethics. That it is also inhuman and impersonal at the same time and those who think otherwise are not religiously literate. But all this notwithstanding God is also something vague and and an essence of nature, he says. We also remember that anything supernatural and eternal he considers "offending logic, measure and order". How all this coheres is any one's guess. Although I do not use the term "deliberate supernatural" I do recognize that anything not found in the natural world is by definition "supernatural." That does not imply any list of characteristics other than not being found in nature. I also agree that the designer of the first life had a choice not to design it. I tried to explain to you that various people have various notions of a god. Which they mean in which contexts can also vary. Because you are ever oblivious of context this is a source of great confusion for you. The "code of ethics" is the thing that draws many people to religious services. They show up to participate in the development of that code of ethics without giving much thought to the other characteristics of whatever it is at the center of their organization. Most people who are not severely retarded understand that the process can involve rather abstract notions of personality and identity. That is a problem for you since you are totally incapable abstract thought. The intelligent designer is an entirely separate notion of a "god" from all that. It is not part of any religion. It is a scientific conclusion. What connection there might be between the intelligent designer and the reason people attend religious services is a matter of conjecture. For example it might follow that people who accept a power beyond their control are more careful and "moral" than people who do not. Still though, how that "coheres" is a matter of conjecture. You have an unrealistic notion of "logic." You have unrealistic expectations of what "logic" can accomplish. There are things that logic is useless to address. You are mentally incapable of recognizing the limitations of logic and the importance of other means of knowledge and choices. It is that "logic" that anything infinite is beyond and can defy. That you consider anything above logic a failure or a problem is just how your diseased brain thinks.
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Post by goz on Sept 30, 2020 23:22:56 GMT
We know that Arlon believes in a deliberate supernatural since he has told us that it is not possible that things could have been created initially through natural causes and that everything is designed. We also know that he thinks it is the source of a preferred morality as he has likened God to a code of ethics. That it is also inhuman and impersonal at the same time and those who think otherwise are not religiously literate. But all this notwithstanding God is also something vague and and an essence of nature, he says. We also remember that anything supernatural and eternal he considers "offending logic, measure and order". How all this coheres is any one's guess. Although I do not use the term "deliberate supernatural" I do recognize that anything not found in the natural world is by definition "supernatural." That does not imply any list of characteristics other than not being found in nature. I also agree that the designer of the first life had a choice not to design it. I tried to explain to you that various people have various notions of a god. Which they mean in which contexts can also vary. Because you are ever oblivious of context this is a source of great confusion for you. The "code of ethics" is the thing that draws many people to religious services. They show up to participate in the development of that code of ethics without giving much thought to the other characteristics of whatever it is at the center of their organization. Most people who are not severely retarded understand that the process can involve rather abstract notions of personality and identity. That is a problem for you since you are totally incapable abstract thought. The intelligent designer is an entirely separate notion of a "god" from all that. It is not part of any religion. It is a scientific conclusion. What connection there might be between the intelligent designer and the reason people attend religious services is a matter of conjecture. For example it might follow that people who accept a power beyond their control are more careful and "moral" than people who do not. Still though, how that "coheres" is a matter of conjecture. You have an unrealistic notion of "logic." You have unrealistic expectations of what "logic" can accomplish. There are things that logic is useless to address. You are mentally incapable of recognizing the limitations of logic and the importance of other means of knowledge and choices. It is that "logic" that anything infinite is beyond and can defy. That you consider anything above logic a failure or a problem is just how your diseased brain thinks. If the intelligent designer part of god is a scientific conclusion, you will have no trouble showing us the 'scientific evidence ' for this claim.
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