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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 0:23:51 GMT
This man says it rather well. The Noahide Laws are garbage. They are not biblical. They are a lie.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 1:00:28 GMT
Yes. These are sure signs of Illuminati. The seven Noahide laws as traditionally enumerated are the following: Not to worship idols. Not to curse God. Establish courts of justice. Not to commit murder. Not to commit adultery, bestiality, or sexual immorality. Not to steal. Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal. Yeah, they taste sweet as honey, don't they?
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 1, 2020 5:34:28 GMT
Yes. These are sure signs of Illuminati. The seven Noahide laws as traditionally enumerated are the following: Not to worship idols. Not to curse God. Establish courts of justice. Not to commit murder. Not to commit adultery, bestiality, or sexual immorality. Not to steal. Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal. Yeah, they taste sweet as honey, don't they? What about, "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"? Is that essentially what you believe?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 11:35:03 GMT
Yeah, they taste sweet as honey, don't they? What about, "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"? Is that essentially what you believe? No, that is not essentially what I believe.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 1, 2020 11:44:33 GMT
What about, "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"? Is that essentially what you believe? No, that is not essentially what I believe. Other than yourself, who or what guides what you believe?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 11:50:25 GMT
No, that is not essentially what I believe. Other than yourself, who or what guides what you believe? The Ten Commandments, which the Noahide Laws are set to replace for the "Goyim." I don't see that they need replacement. And you?
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 1, 2020 12:00:54 GMT
Other than yourself, who or what guides what you believe? The Ten Commandments, which the Noahide Laws are set to replace for the "Goyim." I don't see that they need replacement. And you? I've noticed they are rather variously interpreted. I suspect it takes a long spiritual journey in addition to the commandments to understand the finer points of them.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 12:11:23 GMT
The Ten Commandments, which the Noahide Laws are set to replace for the "Goyim." I don't see that they need replacement. And you? I've noticed they are rather variously interpreted. I suspect it takes a long spiritual journey in addition to the commandments to understand the finer points of them. In the United States, the Noahide Laws became official in March of 1991. They're simply not being enforced yet. Various naysayers will claim that it's only ceremonial and has nothing to do with real law. I suspect the reason for it is so that if anyone complains about the illegitimacy of these laws it can be pointed out that they were signed by both houses of Congress and the President in 1991 and have not been overturned since.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 1, 2020 12:18:57 GMT
I've noticed they are rather variously interpreted. I suspect it takes a long spiritual journey in addition to the commandments to understand the finer points of them. In the United States, the Noahide Laws became official in March of 1991. They're simply not being enforced yet. Various naysayers will claim that it's only ceremonial and has nothing to do with real law. I suspect the reason for it is so that if anyone complains about the illegitimacy of these laws it can be pointed out that they were signed by both houses of Congress and the President in 1991 and have not been overturned since. I actually wish them luck with that. We both know they aren't going anywhere without a lot of luck. It just isn't possible to put the truth into so few words. I don't believe any U.S. Laws were passed. Do you have any numbers to cite? Maybe it was just a ceremonial honor or something like that.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 12:32:50 GMT
In the United States, the Noahide Laws became official in March of 1991. They're simply not being enforced yet. Various naysayers will claim that it's only ceremonial and has nothing to do with real law. I suspect the reason for it is so that if anyone complains about the illegitimacy of these laws it can be pointed out that they were signed by both houses of Congress and the President in 1991 and have not been overturned since. I actually wish them luck with that. We both know they aren't going anywhere without a lot of luck. It just isn't possible to put the truth into so few words. I don't believe any U.S. Laws were passed. Do you have any numbers to cite? Maybe it was just a ceremonial honor or something like that. They don't need luck. This will succeed. Let's have a look at the seven laws that PaulsLaugh was kind enough to provide for us, shall we? Establish courts of justice. These courts will interpret the laws. Not to curse God. Monotheism only. This is how they are going to declare the Holy Trinity as polytheism and the Divinity of Christ as blasphemy. Not to worship idols. This is how they are going to get rid of any religious art and symbolism. People think this is all a joke, but it isn't. And if they live long enough they're going to see that it isn't.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 12:44:06 GMT
Arlon10 , regarding your edit: H.J. Resolution 104, Public Law 102-14 What you "don't believe" couldn't possibly be any more meaningless. It is what it is, and you choosing not to believe it changes nothing. Yes, it's being disguised as something ceremonial, but it shouldn't be there at all.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 1, 2020 16:22:18 GMT
Arlon10 , regarding your edit: H.J. Resolution 104, Public Law 102-14 What you "don't believe" couldn't possibly be any more meaningless. It is what it is, and you choosing not to believe it changes nothing. Yes, it's being disguised as something ceremonial, but it shouldn't be there at all. It's entirely ceremonial for Education Day. The posting of the "Ten Commandments" in public places has been banned wherever they appear exalted above other traditional materials. The case of Van Orden v. Perry might scare you but there was the claim by Breyer, however weak, that the display was in the context of several other monuments present. Sinister as all that might be, I do not see it being any more trouble or any more successful than any other (mis)interpretation of ancient laws. It's a pity no one cares to see the code of Hammurabi posted anywhere, isn't it? It's way too arcane.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 1, 2020 18:06:05 GMT
Arlon10 , regarding your edit: H.J. Resolution 104, Public Law 102-14 What you "don't believe" couldn't possibly be any more meaningless. It is what it is, and you choosing not to believe it changes nothing. Yes, it's being disguised as something ceremonial, but it shouldn't be there at all. It's entirely ceremonial for Education Day. The posting of the "Ten Commandments" in public places has been banned wherever they appear exalted above other traditional materials. The case of Van Orden v. Perry might scare you but there was the claim by Breyer, however weak, that the display was in the context of several other monuments present. Sinister as all that might be, I do not see it being any more trouble or any more successful than any other (mis)interpretation of ancient laws. It's a pity no one cares to see the code of Hammurabi posted anywhere, isn't it? It's way too arcane. You would have surprised me if you had said anything else.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 4, 2020 12:39:00 GMT
This man says it rather well. The Noahide Laws are garbage. They are not biblical. They are a lie. So when we see them again in the Ten Commandments, the Bible is lying too? The Ten Commandments are garbage?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 4, 2020 14:36:49 GMT
This man says it rather well. The Noahide Laws are garbage. They are not biblical. They are a lie. So when we see them again in the Ten Commandments, the Bible is lying too? The Ten Commandments are garbage? The Ten Commandments are God-given laws. The Noahide Laws are manmade laws.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 4, 2020 16:11:18 GMT
So when we see them again in the Ten Commandments, the Bible is lying too? The Ten Commandments are garbage? The Ten Commandments are God-given laws. The Noahide Laws are manmade laws. But with one single exception, they're the same. And the one exception - about establishing courts of justice - is actually a good idea that every single civilised society actually does. So when you're saying it's garbage, then that has to mean that if you find them again in the Ten Commandments, then they are equally garbage in the Ten Commandments. Otherwise you are committing all sorts of fallacies.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 4, 2020 16:21:55 GMT
The Ten Commandments are God-given laws. The Noahide Laws are manmade laws. But with one single exception, they're the same. And the one exception - about establishing courts of justice - is actually a good idea that every single civilised society actually does. So when you're saying it's garbage, then that has to mean that if you find them again in the Ten Commandments, then they are equally garbage in the Ten Commandments. Otherwise you are committing all sorts of fallacies. No, they are not the same. The Noahide Laws do not predate the Ten Commandments. They are manmade Talmudic laws. There are 613 sub-laws. They only apply to Non-Jewish people (who will be forbidden from worshipping on the true Sabbath). And anyone not obeying them will be put to death. They are not the same. They may look the same, but they are not.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 4, 2020 16:38:22 GMT
But with one single exception, they're the same. And the one exception - about establishing courts of justice - is actually a good idea that every single civilised society actually does. So when you're saying it's garbage, then that has to mean that if you find them again in the Ten Commandments, then they are equally garbage in the Ten Commandments. Otherwise you are committing all sorts of fallacies. No, they are not the same. The Noahide Laws do not predate the Ten Commandments. They are manmade Talmudic laws. There are 613 sub-laws. They only apply to Non-Jewish people (who will be forbidden from worshipping on the true Sabbath). And anyone not obeying them will be put to death. They are not the same. They may look the same, but they are not. "Do not worship idols." That's in the first/second of the Ten Commandments (depending on which reading you go by). "Do not blaspheme God." Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Check. "Do not murder." Pretty sure this is in the Ten Commandments as well. But you're saying it's garbage? "Do not practice sexual immorality." Some of the sexual immorality is mentioned in the Ten Commandment, but the rest of them - the ones you guys actually care the most about - is scattered among the other commandments in the Bible. "Do not steal." As if this isn't in the Ten Commandments as well. "Do not eat flesh from a living animal." "Establish Courts of Justice to build upon these laws." Ok, so there were two new ones. But tell me, why on earth do you object to the first five? By saying the Noahide laws are garbage, you are saying everything therein is garbage. So by saying the Noahide laws are garbage, you're saying that at least 30-40% of the Ten Commandments are garbage, too. After all, the merits of a statement rests squarely on the statement itself, not on who made it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 4, 2020 16:43:03 GMT
No, they are not the same. The Noahide Laws do not predate the Ten Commandments. They are manmade Talmudic laws. There are 613 sub-laws. They only apply to Non-Jewish people (who will be forbidden from worshipping on the true Sabbath). And anyone not obeying them will be put to death. They are not the same. They may look the same, but they are not. "Do not worship idols." That's in the first/second of the Ten Commandments (depending on which reading you go by). "Do not blaspheme God." Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Check. "Do not murder." Pretty sure this is in the Ten Commandments as well. But you're saying it's garbage? "Do not practice sexual immorality." Some of the sexual immorality is mentioned in the Ten Commandment, but the rest of them - the ones you guys actually care the most about - is scattered among the other commandments in the Bible. "Do not steal." As if this isn't in the Ten Commandments as well. "Do not eat flesh from a living animal." "Establish Courts of Justice to build upon these laws." Ok, so there were two new ones. But tell me, why on earth do you object to the first five? By saying the Noahide laws are garbage, you are saying everything therein is garbage. So by saying the Noahide laws are garbage, you're saying that at least 30-40% of the Ten Commandments are garbage, too. After all, the merits of a statement rests squarely on the statement itself, not on who made it. No, it rests on who made it.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 4, 2020 16:44:11 GMT
"Do not worship idols." That's in the first/second of the Ten Commandments (depending on which reading you go by). "Do not blaspheme God." Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Check. "Do not murder." Pretty sure this is in the Ten Commandments as well. But you're saying it's garbage? "Do not practice sexual immorality." Some of the sexual immorality is mentioned in the Ten Commandment, but the rest of them - the ones you guys actually care the most about - is scattered among the other commandments in the Bible. "Do not steal." As if this isn't in the Ten Commandments as well. "Do not eat flesh from a living animal." "Establish Courts of Justice to build upon these laws." Ok, so there were two new ones. But tell me, why on earth do you object to the first five? By saying the Noahide laws are garbage, you are saying everything therein is garbage. So by saying the Noahide laws are garbage, you're saying that at least 30-40% of the Ten Commandments are garbage, too. After all, the merits of a statement rests squarely on the statement itself, not on who made it. No, it rests on who made it. That's such a stupid thing to say. A good idea is a good idea no matter who made it. A bad idea is a bad idea no matter who made it.
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