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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 6, 2020 17:55:55 GMT
But on a positive note - we've tendered Vince Velasquez a 2021 contract per Jim Salisbury!
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 6, 2020 17:56:02 GMT
Phillies listening to offers for RHP Zack Wheeler - whom they just signed last offseason to an enormous contract Wow No Realmuto - and now Wheeler is available Love to be in Bryce Harper's head right now to see what he thinks about all of this - he's been politicking all year about signing Realmuto - now this probably thinking about demanding a trade.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 6, 2020 18:01:50 GMT
Phillies listening to offers for RHP Zack Wheeler - whom they just signed last offseason to an enormous contract Wow No Realmuto - and now Wheeler is available Love to be in Bryce Harper's head right now to see what he thinks about all of this - he's been politicking all year about signing Realmuto - now this No team, no matter how rich the owner is or the amount of TV money that comes in, can spend like drunken housewives. This happened to theYankees, the Red Sox, now happening to the Phrugal Phils. 2-3 years, it will happen to the Dodgers
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 6, 2020 18:03:43 GMT
Phillies listening to offers for RHP Zack Wheeler - whom they just signed last offseason to an enormous contract Wow No Realmuto - and now Wheeler is available Love to be in Bryce Harper's head right now to see what he thinks about all of this - he's been politicking all year about signing Realmuto - now this No team, no matter how rich the owner is or the amount of TV money that comes in, can spend like drunken housewives. This happened to theYankees, the Red Sox, now happening to the Phrugal Phils. 2-3 years, it will happen to the Dodgers We're going to do what my hero Billy Beane did for the As
Team that doesn't spend but shocks the world and ends up on top (or close to it)
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 6, 2020 18:04:23 GMT
Phillies listening to offers for RHP Zack Wheeler - whom they just signed last offseason to an enormous contract Wow No Realmuto - and now Wheeler is available Love to be in Bryce Harper's head right now to see what he thinks about all of this - he's been politicking all year about signing Realmuto - now this probably thinking about demanding a trade. Good luck with that. He has $290,000,000 coming his way
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 6, 2020 18:12:54 GMT
You know a lot more about this than I do, and you raise some great points. Informative stuff. I can only speak from experience - the minor leagues I've gone to (in New Orleans during my Louisiana days, and on eastern Long Island) were a ton of fun. For families and people who don't want to spent over $100 to watch a game, it's a great alternative and a much more fan-engaged atmosphere. The Minors are a lot more fun. I seen Josh Hamilton's first professional game for Hudson Valley in Jamestown, NY. We spent about 40 minutes bullshitting with Neil Allen when he was pitching coach for St. Catherines in the NY-P League. Seen so many great players before they made the majors. Stephe Strasburg, Bryce Harper, Vlad Jr. Seen Ozzie Canseco put a ball onto the I-90, that fucker had to go nearly 600 feet. Batting practice in Buffalo is great, players are always interacting with fans. And, all the minors I've been to have tried to be kid friendly. I see too many big league parks that have "play zones" where the kids play on slides and pay zero attention to the game. Yeah, that'll make future fans. MLB really really needs to reach out to younger fans. No doubt it's behind football and basketball in popularity. The sport can't drop any further. It depends now on the silly TV money it gets from Extra Innings package. I've read a lot of articles that say when those TV deals are to be renegotiated, they will be halved, at least
When I was still living in Central PA, I lived in walking distance from the Harrisburg Senators and I got to see Cliff Floyd, Vladimir Guerrero, and Milton Bradley. They were great times. One time two of my friends and I sat next to two Harrisburg Double AA hookers. Whoever the Mets Double A team was at that time had a prospect that they had hooked up with the night before. We went out with them to a local bar afterwards - - they were fun girls and good story tellers! They were an Expos affiliate at that time, and I thought Double A was the best level of the minors. We got the real prospects whereas Triple A was more middling prospects who had made the show for limited time before dropping down - - we got the 22 year olds and Triple A (Ottawa?) got the 27 year olds (when I lived in Rhode Island, that seemed to be the case with Pawtucket as well). Harrisburg is within three hours from Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Washington DC, and New York City - - hopefully they'll survive.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 6, 2020 18:45:46 GMT
Phillies listening to offers for RHP Zack Wheeler - whom they just signed last offseason to an enormous contract Wow No Realmuto - and now Wheeler is available Love to be in Bryce Harper's head right now to see what he thinks about all of this - he's been politicking all year about signing Realmuto - now this No team, no matter how rich the owner is or the amount of TV money that comes in, can spend like drunken housewives. This happened to theYankees, the Red Sox, now happening to the Phrugal Phils. 2-3 years, it will happen to the Dodgers There are no small market teams, only small market owners. Fuck John Middleton.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 6, 2020 18:55:31 GMT
Phillies Owner John Middleton on Buster Olney's Zach Wheeler report -
'There's 0 truth to this' - per Jim Salisbury
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 6, 2020 19:35:19 GMT
Phillies Owner John Middleton on Buster Olney's Zach Wheeler report - 'There's 0 truth to this' - per Jim Salisbury Translation - nice knowing you Zack.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 6, 2020 20:21:18 GMT
No team, no matter how rich the owner is or the amount of TV money that comes in, can spend like drunken housewives. This happened to theYankees, the Red Sox, now happening to the Phrugal Phils. 2-3 years, it will happen to the Dodgers There are no small market teams, only small market owners. Fuck John Middleton. That's very true. There are no MLB teams in Kushequa, PA, or Bug Tussle, Tennessee. But the Luxury Tax get to a team after a while. Both the Red Sox and the Yankees had to back off spending because of it. It gets to the point where the tax id 100%. Sign a LOOGY for a reasonable $7,000,000 (reasonable, ha) and he becomes a $14,000,000 LOOGY. It the Red Sox had kept going, draft picks would have been taken away.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 6, 2020 20:38:09 GMT
The Minors are a lot more fun. I seen Josh Hamilton's first professional game for Hudson Valley in Jamestown, NY. We spent about 40 minutes bullshitting with Neil Allen when he was pitching coach for St. Catherines in the NY-P League. Seen so many great players before they made the majors. Stephe Strasburg, Bryce Harper, Vlad Jr. Seen Ozzie Canseco put a ball onto the I-90, that fucker had to go nearly 600 feet. Batting practice in Buffalo is great, players are always interacting with fans. And, all the minors I've been to have tried to be kid friendly. I see too many big league parks that have "play zones" where the kids play on slides and pay zero attention to the game. Yeah, that'll make future fans. MLB really really needs to reach out to younger fans. No doubt it's behind football and basketball in popularity. The sport can't drop any further. It depends now on the silly TV money it gets from Extra Innings package. I've read a lot of articles that say when those TV deals are to be renegotiated, they will be halved, at least
When I was still living in Central PA, I lived in walking distance from the Harrisburg Senators and I got to see Cliff Floyd, Vladimir Guerrero, and Milton Bradley. They were great times. One time two of my friends and I sat next to two Harrisburg Double AA hookers. Whoever the Mets Double A team was at that time had a prospect that they had hooked up with the night before. We went out with them to a local bar afterwards - - they were fun girls and good story tellers! They were an Expos affiliate at that time, and I thought Double A was the best level of the minors. We got the real prospects whereas Triple A was more middling prospects who had made the show for limited time before dropping down - - we got the 22 year olds and Triple A (Ottawa?) got the 27 year olds (when I lived in Rhode Island, that seemed to be the case with Pawtucket as well). Harrisburg is within three hours from Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Washington DC, and New York City - - hopefully they'll survive. A lot of team put there better prospects in AA not AAA. Toronto is one, which hurts the Bisons. Cavan Biggio, Vlad Junior, Bo Bichette all played more games in the Easterm League than Buffalo.
I'm concerned about the Bisons. MLB is dictating the minor league affiliations and even the levels. More than likely, we will be back to being Toronto's AAA team but who knows.
And the litigation is beginning
It won't be the last. Owners have bought teams with the understanding that the franchise will be in affiliated leagues. Now they're SOL. Owners bought AAA teams and now find them in low A. Cities funded stadiums with the assumption that minor league ball would be played there, not summer college leagues. I know that baseball owners have been the dumbest bastards historically, the color line, fighting free agency, collusion, a blind eye to steroids, but here we go again.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 6, 2020 20:45:45 GMT
When I was still living in Central PA, I lived in walking distance from the Harrisburg Senators and I got to see Cliff Floyd, Vladimir Guerrero, and Milton Bradley. They were great times. One time two of my friends and I sat next to two Harrisburg Double AA hookers. Whoever the Mets Double A team was at that time had a prospect that they had hooked up with the night before. We went out with them to a local bar afterwards - - they were fun girls and good story tellers! They were an Expos affiliate at that time, and I thought Double A was the best level of the minors. We got the real prospects whereas Triple A was more middling prospects who had made the show for limited time before dropping down - - we got the 22 year olds and Triple A (Ottawa?) got the 27 year olds (when I lived in Rhode Island, that seemed to be the case with Pawtucket as well). Harrisburg is within three hours from Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Washington DC, and New York City - - hopefully they'll survive. A lot of team put there better prospects in AA not AAA. Toronto is one, which hurts the Bisons. Cavan Biggio, Vlad Junior, Bo Bichette all played more games in the Easterm League than Buffalo.
I'm concerned about the Bisons. MLB is dictating the minor league affiliations and even the levels. More than likely, we will be back to being Toronto's AAA team but who knows.
And the litigation is beginning
It won't be the last. Owners have bought teams with the understanding that the franchise will be in affiliated leagues. Now they're SOL. Owners bought AAA teams and now find them in low A. Cities funded stadiums with the assumption that minor league ball would be played there, not summer college leagues. I know that baseball owners have been the dumbest bastards historically, the color line, fighting free agency, collusion, a blind eye to steroids, but here we go again.
Why would a team do this? i.e. - better prospects in AA and not Triple A?
i.e. - I thought the general 'ladder' so to speak and progression of a minor leaguer was A-AA-AAA
I don't recall a Phils prospect (maybe I'm off - I just don't recall one) ever being called up from AA - always assumed the AAA was the last stop and then he's called up - i.e. Triple A was where the Big Boys of the minors played
Now of course I know players get demoted to AAA from the Big League squad - just a little lost of why the 'better prospects' would be in Double A - unless you're stating some players just seem to hang out in Triple A and are lifetime minor leaguers and they never make the jump
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 6, 2020 20:58:16 GMT
A lot of team put there better prospects in AA not AAA. Toronto is one, which hurts the Bisons. Cavan Biggio, Vlad Junior, Bo Bichette all played more games in the Easterm League than Buffalo.
I'm concerned about the Bisons. MLB is dictating the minor league affiliations and even the levels. More than likely, we will be back to being Toronto's AAA team but who knows.
And the litigation is beginning
It won't be the last. Owners have bought teams with the understanding that the franchise will be in affiliated leagues. Now they're SOL. Owners bought AAA teams and now find them in low A. Cities funded stadiums with the assumption that minor league ball would be played there, not summer college leagues. I know that baseball owners have been the dumbest bastards historically, the color line, fighting free agency, collusion, a blind eye to steroids, but here we go again.
Why would a team do this? i.e. - better prospects in AA and not Triple A?
i.e. - I thought the general 'ladder' so to speak and progression of a minor leaguer was A-AA-AAA
I don't recall a Phils prospect (maybe I'm off - I just don't recall one) ever being called up from AA - always assumed the AAA was the last stop and then he's called up - i.e. Triple A was where the Big Boys of the minors played
Now of course I know players get demoted to AAA from the Big League squad - just a little lost of why the 'better prospects' would be in Double A - unless you're stating some players just seem to hang out in Triple A and are lifetime minor leaguers and they never make the jump
A lot of it could be distance. Example, Washington's AA team is in Harrisburg while their AAA team is in Fresno. The Mets did this for a while when their AA team was in Binghamton and their AAA team was in Vegas. Easier to keep an eye on tthe kids if they aren't 3000 miles away. Some teams look at AAA as just for quick replacements. Players with minimal talent but major league experience. Need a player for 10 days because your backup catcher is on the IL, you might want a veteran instead of a prospect.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 7, 2020 2:33:23 GMT
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 7, 2020 13:05:02 GMT
Phillies owner John Middleton to Buster Olney on rumors Zack Wheeler is available - "If they offered me Babe Ruth, I wouldnβt trade him,β Middleton told ESPNβs Buster Olney. βI have authorized no one to have a conversation about trading him.β Zack Wheeler > Babe Ruth
** Edit - Middleton added Ted Williams and Mike Schmidt for added emphasis
'They're lying to you' - Middleton told Olney
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 7, 2020 14:16:15 GMT
Phillies owner John Middleton to Buster Olney on rumors Zack Wheeler is available - "If they offered me Babe Ruth, I wouldnβt trade him,β Middleton told ESPNβs Buster Olney. βI have authorized no one to have a conversation about trading him.β Zack Wheeler > Babe Ruth
** Edit - Middleton added Ted Williams and Mike Schmidt for added emphasis
'They're lying to you' - Middleton told Olney
Babe Ruth is dead. I wouldn't trade Wheeler either in this scenario. Seems like a sound decision if you ask me.
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Post by hehatesshe on Dec 8, 2020 5:53:42 GMT
The White Sox have traded away 26 yr old Dane Dunning to the Rangers for Lance Lynn.
This makes the rotation Giolito, Lynn, Keuchel, Kopech, Cease.
Those first 3 guys were 7, 6, and 5 respectively in AL Cy Young voting last season.
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Post by nutsberryfarm π on Dec 9, 2020 0:07:16 GMT
put some logs on the fire, mates!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Dec 9, 2020 16:40:43 GMT
The White Sox have traded away 26 yr old Dane Dunning to the Rangers for Lance Lynn. This makes the rotation Giolito, Lynn, Keuchel, Kopech, Cease. Those first 3 guys were 7, 6, and 5 respectively in AL Cy Young voting last season. But they also got Adam Eaton back instead of going after someone like George Springer. So they got that going for them, which is nice.
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Post by hehatesshe on Dec 9, 2020 18:15:46 GMT
The White Sox have traded away 26 yr old Dane Dunning to the Rangers for Lance Lynn. This makes the rotation Giolito, Lynn, Keuchel, Kopech, Cease. Those first 3 guys were 7, 6, and 5 respectively in AL Cy Young voting last season. But they also got Adam Eaton back instead of going after someone like George Springer. So they got that going for them, which is nice. Yeah, that's pretty shitty.
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