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Post by phantomparticle on Dec 17, 2020 0:14:35 GMT
No.
It would like describing The Wizard of Oz as science fiction because it has a holographic image of The Wizard in it.
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Post by Hamplanet on Dec 17, 2020 0:15:56 GMT
It's a Sci-Fi action movie (imho). I can see why some think it's a slasher, though.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Dec 17, 2020 0:18:48 GMT
Slasher is more of a horror genre. There's too much of a sci fi element that overshadows the idea it's a slasher.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 17, 2020 0:21:47 GMT
In a way, I do consider it to be a slasher. The first quarter or so definitely plays out like one. Although if we’re going by objective terms, then it technically isn’t. A genre label is meant to describe the main aspect of the movie imo. The main aspects of The Terminator are the time-travel plot and the action scenes. The slasher moments are incidental and happen mostly just in the first 30 minutes of the movie.
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Post by James on Dec 17, 2020 0:32:22 GMT
In a way, I do consider it to be a slasher. The first quarter or so definitely plays out like one. Although if we’re going by objective terms, then it technically isn’t. A genre label is meant to describe the main aspect of the movie imo. The main aspects of The Terminator are the time-travel plot and the action scenes. The slasher moments are incidental and happen mostly just in the first 30 minutes of the movie. Right, which is why I came to the conclusion that it isn’t a slasher. |
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 17, 2020 0:35:13 GMT
A genre label is meant to describe the main aspect of the movie imo. The main aspects of The Terminator are the time-travel plot and the action scenes. The slasher moments are incidental and happen mostly just in the first 30 minutes of the movie. Right, which is why I came to the conclusion that it isn’t a slasher. It seemed like you were sort of on the fence. I was just explaining my own reasoning.
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Post by Ransom on Dec 17, 2020 0:37:39 GMT
In a way, I do consider it to be a slasher. The first quarter or so definitely plays out like one. Although if we’re going by objective terms, then it technically isn’t. A genre label is meant to describe the main aspect of the movie imo. The main aspects of The Terminator are the time-travel plot and the action scenes. The slasher moments are incidental and happen mostly just in the first 30 minutes of the movie. Actually the slasher moments aren't incidental because the Terminator needs to literally slash his way through humans to get to Sarah Connor. Which is why I guess it's called the Terminator. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 17, 2020 0:42:06 GMT
Interesting trivia, did you know OJ Simpson was at one point considered for the title character?  |
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Post by James on Dec 17, 2020 0:45:55 GMT
Right, which is why I came to the conclusion that it isn’t a slasher. It seemed like you were sort of on the fence. I was just explaining my own reasoning. I was on the fence for a bit. I do agree with your reasoning. |
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 17, 2020 0:56:33 GMT
Definition of incidental.
accompanying but not a major part of something.
liable to happen as a consequence of (an activity).
The "slasher" moments are incidental.
Definition of slash.
a cut made with a wide, sweeping stroke.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 17, 2020 1:06:35 GMT
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Post by Ransom on Dec 17, 2020 1:11:42 GMT
Definition of incidental.accompanying but not a major part of something. liable to happen as a consequence of (an activity). The "slasher" moments are incidental. Definition of slash.a cut made with a wide, sweeping stroke. To be fair the liquid Terminator could slash anything. |
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 17, 2020 1:34:57 GMT
Definition of incidental.accompanying but not a major part of something. liable to happen as a consequence of (an activity). The "slasher" moments are incidental. Definition of slash.a cut made with a wide, sweeping stroke. To be fair the liquid Terminator could slash anything. Yes, the T-1000 would fit with the label of a slasher type character more than the T-800. I am very specific in my use of definitions and genre labels. If other people consider The Terminator a slasher movie then that is their right obviously and it does have some stuff in common with the genre. I don't consider either movie a slasher movie and all I do is explain my reasoning. People can either agree (jamesbamesy for example) or they can disagree. If they disagree than we are stuck in a permanent disagreement. That is when I end the conversation, because it is pointless to continue. Chopping Mall is considered a slasher movie and I won't argue with that too much. They use lasers, but the entire plot is mall robots that kill people at random and that is all the plot is. That fits with what a slasher movie is. Happy Death Day is a bit harder to pin down, but it is using slasher movie tropes quite heavily as the main plot point. She is being killed by the same mask wearing psychopath every night and then tries to figure out who the killer is so that she can stop the time-loop. Is Westword a slasher movie too? I think not, though it would fit more than The Terminator movies. The slasher movie is a horror sub-genre. The Terminator isn't a horror movie imo, it is a sci-fi action thriller with horror elements. The plot description is enough to show that The Terminator isn't a slasher movie. A robot is sent back in time to kill one specific person in order to win the war and a protector is sent back in time to protect that person. Nothing about that fits with the slasher movie genre.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 11:27:21 GMT
It shares a few similar beats and concepts with a slasher flick but I'm going to side with No for a couple of reasons. The first is that you see too much from the perspective of the Terminator as a character. You never see Michael Myers arguing with his landlord or going to buy his knife, if you get me. The second is that it's well-explained to you what the Terminator is at about the halfway point rather than leaving a mystery of who the slasher is and why they're killing everybody. To be fair, Maniac and Christmas Evil are considered slasher movies and are entirely from the perspective of the killer. They are just not in the same vein as the typical slasher movie. The Terminator isn't a slasher movie because it only has a few things in common with the genre. What makes a slasher movie a slasher movie is that the movies are about the killings. The slasher moments in The Terminator are incidental. That's probably a better explanation. It's difficult to fully explain (for me anyway) why The Terminator isn't a slasher flick other than to say "It's just not." You can point to a lot of elements of the film and say "Aha! That's just like something from a slasher movie" and I don't think you'd be wrong. It all comes down to how it feels in presentation as a whole. Predator, for example, could be considered a slasher flick if you just look at it beat for beat and the overall premise. Replace the burly military men with sorority girls or some fraternity bros on a camping trip and it's a slasher, right? Yet few people would shelve Predator next to Halloween or Black Christmas or Nailgun Massacre. The ingredients may be similar but the finished product is not the same dish.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 17, 2020 13:09:52 GMT
To be fair, Maniac and Christmas Evil are considered slasher movies and are entirely from the perspective of the killer. They are just not in the same vein as the typical slasher movie. The Terminator isn't a slasher movie because it only has a few things in common with the genre. What makes a slasher movie a slasher movie is that the movies are about the killings. The slasher moments in The Terminator are incidental. That's probably a better explanation. It's difficult to fully explain (for me anyway) why The Terminator isn't a slasher flick other than to say "It's just not." You can point to a lot of elements of the film and say "Aha! That's just like something from a slasher movie" and I don't think you'd be wrong. It all comes down to how it feels in presentation as a whole. Predator, for example, could be considered a slasher flick if you just look at it beat for beat and the overall premise. Replace the burly military men with sorority girls or some fraternity bros on a camping trip and it's a slasher, right? Yet few people would shelve Predator next to Halloween or Black Christmas or Nailgun Massacre. The ingredients may be similar but the finished product is not the same dish. If you replaced the military guys with sorority girls it would be something else entirely, so you are on the right track with why Predator isn't a slasher movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 13:10:25 GMT
That's probably a better explanation. It's difficult to fully explain (for me anyway) why The Terminator isn't a slasher flick other than to say "It's just not." You can point to a lot of elements of the film and say "Aha! That's just like something from a slasher movie" and I don't think you'd be wrong. It all comes down to how it feels in presentation as a whole. Predator, for example, could be considered a slasher flick if you just look at it beat for beat and the overall premise. Replace the burly military men with sorority girls or some fraternity bros on a camping trip and it's a slasher, right? Yet few people would shelve Predator next to Halloween or Black Christmas or Nailgun Massacre. The ingredients may be similar but the finished product is not the same dish. If you replaced the military guys with sorority girls it would be something else entirely, so you are on the right track with why Predator isn't a slasher movie. Ok, but for the sake of it, I'd ask you why that is.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 17, 2020 13:17:44 GMT
If you replaced the military guys with sorority girls it would be something else entirely, so you are on the right track with why Predator isn't a slasher movie. Ok, but for the sake of it, I'd ask you why that is. Because it wouldn't be an action movie anymore. It changes the whole point of the story into young teen girls being killed off, not heavily armed military men being hunted for sport. There is also the fact that the predator doesn't follow the slasher killer profile. It is the same reason why Alien isn't a slasher movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 13:20:38 GMT
Ok, but for the sake of it, I'd ask you why that is. Because it wouldn't be an action movie anymore. It changes the whole point of the story into young teen girls being killed off, not heavily armed military men being hunted for sport. There is also the fact that the predator doesn't follow the slasher killer profile. It is the same reason why Alien isn't a slasher movie. Would you say an important element is that the victims can't really defend themselves, or more pertinently, are not known to be able to defend themselves? And what is the slasher killer profile? Mind you, I think we agree. It's just that it's difficult to spell out so perhaps you have some insight.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 17, 2020 13:36:22 GMT
Because it wouldn't be an action movie anymore. It changes the whole point of the story into young teen girls being killed off, not heavily armed military men being hunted for sport. There is also the fact that the predator doesn't follow the slasher killer profile. It is the same reason why Alien isn't a slasher movie. Would you say an important element is that the victims can't really defend themselves, or more pertinently, are not known to be able to defend themselves? And what is the slasher killer profile? Mind you, I think we agree. It's just that it's difficult to spell out so perhaps you have some insight. Sort of. Slasher killer profile is a psycho of some sort. There is one exception and that is Chopping Mall, but I am hesitant to call that a slasher movie. Also, the tone of the movie matters. Predator is a sci-fi action movie with horror elements, the same as The Terminator. It is a couple steps removed from a slasher movie. Replace the predator with a tribe of cannibals and the military men into college students and now you have a slasher movie. Slasher movies are a sub-category of the horror genre and now I have changed the entire tone of the movie by changing only 2 things, but 2 very important things. Sometimes the changes in tone are subtle, but important. Rituals and Deliverance are very similar, but I don't consider Deliverance a horror movie.
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 17, 2020 13:44:09 GMT
Because it wouldn't be an action movie anymore. It changes the whole point of the story into young teen girls being killed off, not heavily armed military men being hunted for sport. There is also the fact that the predator doesn't follow the slasher killer profile. It is the same reason why Alien isn't a slasher movie. Would you say an important element is that the victims can't really defend themselves, or more pertinently, are not known to be able to defend themselves? And what is the slasher killer profile?
Mind you, I think we agree. It's just that it's difficult to spell out so perhaps you have some insight. Based on this one can understand the similarities between the first Terminator and slasher movies.
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