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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 23:46:50 GMT
Two very good Fantasy films from the 1980s.
Both use puppets for their fantasy creatures mixed with human actors and lavish/colorful sets.
Both are allegories about growing up. Neverending Story is about a boy who lost his mother. He is forced to grow up too fast and his imagination (Fantasia) is dying. He learns that growing up doesn’t mean he has to lose his imagination too. In Labyrinth, we have a girl who is coming of age. She is at the end of her childhood stage and entering puberty/teenage years. She is having a hard time letting go.
Both very solid films. Which is better?
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Post by Catman on Apr 9, 2021 23:52:48 GMT
Catman cannot choose between these two.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 9, 2021 23:56:32 GMT
Ooooooohhhh I love these two. Neverending Story's the better story, but I prefer Labyrinth, but it's very hard to pick.
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Post by Xcalatë on Apr 9, 2021 23:57:00 GMT
The NeverEnding Story triggers serious childhood nostalgia for me so its a clear winner.
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Post by James on Apr 10, 2021 0:00:30 GMT
Labyrinth
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 0:18:58 GMT
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Post by Marv on Apr 10, 2021 0:28:10 GMT
I dont watch either often...but most of the time Id rather watch Neverending Story.
I still enjoy Labyrinth tho. But some of the musical numbers always made me feel like i was watching an episode of sesame street or something.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 0:32:54 GMT
I dont watch either often...but most of the time Id rather watch Neverending Story. I still enjoy Labyrinth tho. But some of the musical numbers always made me feel like i was watching an episode of sesame street or something.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 10, 2021 0:53:06 GMT
The NeverEnding Story
Labyrinth is just alright imo. The problem with Labyrinth is that everything looks fake-y and the stuff with David Bowie feels like a music video.
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Post by Archelaus on Apr 10, 2021 1:44:37 GMT
The NeverEnding Story
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Apr 10, 2021 1:45:05 GMT
The Neverending Story is the better movie, but Labyrinth is still fun if you want to dance magic dance. I don't consider either to be particularly allegorical but they're both still great classic fantasy films.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 3:07:52 GMT
The Neverending Story is the better movie, but Labyrinth is still fun if you want to dance magic dance. I don't consider either to be particularly allegorical but they're both still great classic fantasy films[/quote But that’s what an allegory is. Telling a story or fantasy that has a different meaning. She’s a girl turning into a woman. He’s a boy growing up. The story is about his imagination (Fantasia) dying. |
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 10, 2021 3:15:28 GMT
The Neverending Story is the better movie, but Labyrinth is still fun if you want to dance magic dance. I don't consider either to be particularly allegorical but they're both still great classic fantasy films[/quote But that’s what an allegory is. Telling a story or fantasy that has a different meaning. She’s a girl turning into a woman. He’s a boy growing up. The story is about his imagination (Fantasia) dying. You are assuming Tutu agrees that the movies are about what you think they are about. I have never noticed the allegory myself tbh. Even after you point it out I don't think it really works that well as allegory. I have just seen it as a movie about a kid dealing with what is happening in his life by escaping into fantasy. How is the movie about his imagination dying while at the exact same time about how he can't stop reading a fantasy novel? Clearly his imagination is alive and well. Come to think of it the movie is allegory, but it is allegory about death and faith that death isn't the end. The villain of the movie is literally called "The Nothing."
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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 10, 2021 3:20:46 GMT
Labyrinth, although I own both.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Apr 10, 2021 4:58:40 GMT
Im going to say Labyrinth. Its been to long since I seen Neverending Story. Yet I remember part 3 well.
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Post by jcush on Apr 10, 2021 7:36:25 GMT
Labyrinth
I watched both of them for the first time a few years back and enjoyed them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 11:02:56 GMT
You are assuming Tutu agrees that the movies are about what you think they are about. I have never noticed the allegory myself tbh. Even after you point it out I don't think it really works that well as allegory. I have just seen it as a movie about a kid dealing with what is happening in his life by escaping into fantasy. How is the movie about his imagination dying while at the exact same time about how he can't stop reading a fantasy novel? Clearly his imagination is alive and well. Come to think of it the movie is allegory, but it is allegory about death and faith that death isn't the end. The villain of the movie is literally called "The Nothing." He names the Empress moonchild. The name of his mother, who encouraged him to use his imagination. That’s the key to stopping the nothing (reminding him to keep it). Did you read the book? His dad is telling him to “get your head out of the clouds” and to grow up. That’s when the nothing starts killing Fantasia. Even the swamps of sadness represent depression. And how some people (Artax) cannot escape depression. So they get stuck and die there. “Fight the sadness Artax.” |
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 10, 2021 16:57:34 GMT
He names the Empress moonchild. The name of his mother, who encouraged him to use his imagination. That’s the key to stopping the nothing (reminding him to keep it). Did you read the book? His dad is telling him to “get your head out of the clouds” and to grow up. That’s when the nothing starts killing Fantasia. Even the swamps of sadness represent depression. And how some people (Artax) cannot escape depression. So they get stuck and die there. “Fight the sadness Arta I haven't seen the movie in a while and have only seen it once in the past 20 years. Sorry. As someone who watches most movies only once, I probably should stop butting in.  You have inspired me to watch it again though.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 10, 2021 17:34:06 GMT
I am re-watching The NeverEnding Story and I really forgot what this movie actually about.
It is all set up in the first 10 minutes of the movie.
I think you saying it is about imagination being destroyed is a bit narrow though. That is part of it, but more broadly it is about the things we care about and see beauty in going away and anxiety about a nihilistic void. This is where the depression aspect fits in. It is about dealing with what terrifies us through imagination, but that straying too far from reality is a bad thing. The turtle is hilarious, "we don't even care that we don't care."
When the store owner says "you aren't ready for this book" because this is existential territory that is something that you start thinking about as you get older.
I really haven't been giving this movie enough credit or focus in the past.
It is also very much about the power of art in helping us cope and teach us lessons that we might not have gotten elsewhere. It taps into something deep within us.
Thank you for inspiring me to watch this movie again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 19:47:38 GMT
I am re-watching The NeverEnding Story and I really forgot what this movie actually about. It is all set up in the first 10 minutes of the movie. I think you saying it is about imagination being destroyed is a bit narrow though. That is part of it, but more broadly it is about the things we care about and see beauty in going away and anxiety about a nihilistic void. This is where the depression aspect fits in. It is about dealing with what terrifies us through imagination, but that straying too far from reality is a bad thing. The turtle is hilarious, "we don't even care that we don't care." When the store owner says "you aren't ready for this book" because this is existential territory that is something that you start thinking about as you get older. I really haven't been giving this movie enough credit or focus in the past. It is also very much about the power of art in helping us cope and teach us lessons that we might not have gotten elsewhere. It taps into something deep within us. Thank you for inspiring me to watch this movie again. I’m so glad you did. It’s definitely one of those movies you watch as a kid for the surface layer, and as an adult for the second layer. The turtle is underrated. Most people talk about Falcor and The Rock Biter, which are great. I love how it shows this emotional journey Bastian goes through, depression, bravery/courage, strength, etc... it’s a fantastic film. |
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