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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 13, 2021 22:55:41 GMT
Most players get forgotten outside of their own fanbase in 10 years. Do you think anyone knows who James Lofton is outside of Green Bay? Exactly. I dont even know much of James Lofton. I would likely mistake him for Kenny Lofton. I will probably mistake Edelman for Wes Welker in 10 years. And James Lofton IS a hall of famer. So I'm just saying the "10 year= no one will remember" is for most players. Only the greatest of the gears get remembered because they are constantly mentioned. Until the next receiver passes Edelman for second on the all time list (maybe Kelce in 3 years? Otherwise it will be a long time. Hill in 5 years?) in playoff pass catches, he'll still be remembered. When receivers play defense and make great special teams plays, it will remind people of Edelman. When receivers pull off trick play touchdown passes, we'll be reminded of Edelman. And when receivers make crazy catches in the Super Bowl, we will be reminded of Edelman. But still, no one thinks he is going to be a hall of famer.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2021 22:58:20 GMT
And it hurts to leave Welker off, doesn't it? There's no wrong answer, and someone is always going to get left out if we have to limit it to 5. It's those six guys, however you want to slice it. Without looking up stats or anything you’re saying you rank Amendola above Welker? Rings or no rings Welker was better wasn’t he? I mean not according to Gisele but otherwise? No, I have Welker above Amendola. But I respect either argument. Amendola is like the anti-Welker. nothing amazing in the regular season, but money in the playoffs. Like it or not (and I love Welker), Welker's most memorable playoff moment is the drop you referenced. Overall I still take Welker, but I see the argument for a guy with two rings (who made big plays in a lot of playoff games) being ahead of him.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2021 23:00:14 GMT
Sigh..I'm not worked up. I'm not the one who quit the site and had to rejoin because my team lost a playoff game, so calm down with the "you're taking this too seriously" talk. I disagree with your commentary, it's that simple. I know it isn't a personal attack on Edelman. Your argument (with nobody) was that he doesn't belong in the HOF and I agreed. You compared him to a scrub player (and then said you weren't comparing them) and I pointed out the difference in their careers. I'm not comparing Super Bowl MVPs, because Edelman's was not an amazing performance by any stretch. The question was whether the story of the NFL and its biggest game could be told without mentioning Edelman, and it can't. You don't have standout moments in three different championships-- one of which being an iconic catch in the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history-- and get forgotten. You're wrong, and that doesn't mean I'm taking this too seriously. 1. That's not why I deleted but believe what you want. 2. I think he will be mostly forgotten outside of the New England fanbase in 10 years. That's my opinion. Its hard for an opinion to be wrong. If in 10 years people are still talking about Julian Edelman than sure it'll be wrong and I won't give a shit. To me he is just another good player who had a good career. One that will inevitably be forgotten much like many others over the years. Yup. They'll replay that catch over and over again every year come Super Bowl time, but Edelman will be blurred out like Japanese porn.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 13, 2021 23:01:27 GMT
Most players get forgotten outside of their own fanbase in 10 years. Do you think anyone knows who James Lofton is outside of Green Bay? Well the dude is in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, and if I didn't look up Packers' Hall of Famers, I never would have known that. And he retired just a few years before I started following football, and was inducted into the hall of fame 3 years after Brady was drafted. I've never seen a single highlight. No one has ever mentioned him on any show I've seen that I can remember. Just saying the bar of "remembered 10 years later" is very ambiguous.
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Post by Shane Falco on Apr 14, 2021 0:15:49 GMT
1. That's not why I deleted but believe what you want. 2. I think he will be mostly forgotten outside of the New England fanbase in 10 years. That's my opinion. Its hard for an opinion to be wrong. If in 10 years people are still talking about Julian Edelman than sure it'll be wrong and I won't give a shit. To me he is just another good player who had a good career. One that will inevitably be forgotten much like many others over the years. Yup. They'll replay that catch over and over again every year come Super Bowl time, but Edelman will be blurred out like Japanese porn. Funny thing is, I have zero clue what catch or even what Super Bowl you are referencing.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Apr 14, 2021 0:16:37 GMT
So he'll wait til his current contract expires and sign with Tampa? Damn, that's just savage.
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Post by NJtoTX on Apr 14, 2021 0:31:31 GMT
He didn't retire on a stretcher, but he is limping out of the league against his will. You know he'd still be playing if it were at all possible. My wife said, "Too bad his career couldn't end on his own terms." "Most of them don't," I replied. It's funny because numbers-wise he isn't Hall worthy, but as they say about the HOF in any sport, "Can you tell the story of the sport without including him?" You look at Edelman's contributions particularly in the Super Bowl, and I don't think you can. The game winning TD catch in SB 49 (and we know for a fact he was seriously concussed in that game, but we aren't supposed to say that because that means he shouldn't have been out there); The Catch in SB 51; MVP of Super Bowl 53, one of the weirdest, lowest scoring Super Bowls-- in the modern era no less). Truly a legendary player by any measure. If he isn't HOF worthy, we'll have to enjoy his Pats HOF induction ceremony that much more. He was a favorite of mine from his rookie year, glad he played his entire career here. I was thinking, Michael Irvin is in, 3 titles on a dynasty, & he wasn't exactly breaking the bank on stats. Edelman was arguably the 2nd most valuable Patriot during a 3-2 SB stretch. 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 rings. I say 2nd most valuable because he moved far more chains & played more quality downs I'd say than Gronk (including health reasons). I just think the breadth of NFL HOFers these days is so deep, & WR in particular has tipped away from the RB with volume of great players. Then again, are we even mentioning this stuff without his very own SB MVP trophy? Not sure. I dunno, I'd say 35% he gets in, but I'm not holding my breath either. 3 titles and 1 Super Bowl MVP on that Cowboys team: Cornerback Larry Brown.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 14, 2021 1:20:12 GMT
Yup. They'll replay that catch over and over again every year come Super Bowl time, but Edelman will be blurred out like Japanese porn. Funny thing is, I have zero clue what catch or even what Super Bowl you are referencing. Funny thing is, you had no idea what you were talking about to begin with, so that's par for the course.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 14, 2021 1:30:11 GMT
I was thinking, Michael Irvin is in, 3 titles on a dynasty, & he wasn't exactly breaking the bank on stats. Edelman was arguably the 2nd most valuable Patriot during a 3-2 SB stretch. 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 rings. I say 2nd most valuable because he moved far more chains & played more quality downs I'd say than Gronk (including health reasons). I just think the breadth of NFL HOFers these days is so deep, & WR in particular has tipped away from the RB with volume of great players. Then again, are we even mentioning this stuff without his very own SB MVP trophy? Not sure. I dunno, I'd say 35% he gets in, but I'm not holding my breath either. 3 titles and 1 Super Bowl MVP on that Cowboys team: Cornerback Larry Brown. I was actually going to mention him today as another example of a useless Super Bowl MVP-- but then I considered that while he did nothing but have two passes thrown directly to him, at least he did it on a team in the midst of a historic dynasty. Edelman was obviously much more of an impact player throughout his career than Brown, but the parallels are there; as opposed to Desmond Howard who was a flash in the pan player for a flash in the pan team.
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Post by tristramshandy on Apr 14, 2021 1:37:55 GMT
1. That's not why I deleted but believe what you want. 2. I think he will be mostly forgotten outside of the New England fanbase in 10 years. That's my opinion. Its hard for an opinion to be wrong. If in 10 years people are still talking about Julian Edelman than sure it'll be wrong and I won't give a shit. To me he is just another good player who had a good career. One that will inevitably be forgotten much like many others over the years. Most players get forgotten outside of their own fanbase in 10 years. Do you think anyone knows who James Lofton is outside of Green Bay? Lofton was second team all-80s. First team was Rice and Largent; second team Lofton and Monk. I think Buffalo fans would also know Lofton, but that kind of proves your point too.
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Post by Shane Falco on Apr 14, 2021 3:09:16 GMT
Funny thing is, I have zero clue what catch or even what Super Bowl you are referencing. Funny thing is, you had no idea what you were talking about to begin with, so that's par for the course. Do you have some sort of issue with me that we need to address? Have I offended you in some way? You seem a bit hostile towards me.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 14, 2021 4:25:28 GMT
And it hurts to leave Welker off, doesn't it? There's no wrong answer, and someone is always going to get left out if we have to limit it to 5. It's those six guys, however you want to slice it. Without looking up stats or anything you’re saying you rank Amendola above Welker? Aye. Amendola was huge against the Ravens & Seahawks in games that mattered most. Brady could throw at him blindfolded & win. I just have less historical positivity with Welker than those 5. It's not like I'm driving guys off a cliff from #5 to #6.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 14, 2021 4:34:01 GMT
Most players get forgotten outside of their own fanbase in 10 years. Do you think anyone knows who James Lofton is outside of Green Bay? Exactly. I dont even know much of James Lofton. I would likely mistake him for Kenny Lofton. I will probably mistake Edelman for Wes Welker in 10 years. I know him as the Bills speed guy opposite Andre Reed. Also - Madden NFL '94.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 14, 2021 12:05:26 GMT
Funny thing is, you had no idea what you were talking about to begin with, so that's par for the course. Do you have some sort of issue with me that we need to address? Have I offended you in some way? You seem a bit hostile towards me. No. I like you.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 14, 2021 12:07:44 GMT
Without looking up stats or anything you’re saying you rank Amendola above Welker? Aye. Amendola was huge against the Ravens & Seahawks in games that mattered most. Brady could throw at him blindfolded & win. I just have less historical positivity with Welker than those 5. It's not like I'm driving guys off a cliff from #5 to #6. Amendola was also big in that AFC championship game comeback over the Jags, and of course Super Bowl 51.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 14, 2021 12:24:50 GMT
Funny thing is, you had no idea what you were talking about to begin with, so that's par for the course. Do you have some sort of issue with me that we need to address? Have I offended you in some way? You seem a bit hostile towards me. He had a lot of money on the Sugar Bowl.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 14, 2021 12:27:15 GMT
Most players get forgotten outside of their own fanbase in 10 years. Do you think anyone knows who James Lofton is outside of Green Bay? Lofton was second team all-80s. First team was Rice and Largent; second team Lofton and Monk. I think Buffalo fans would also know Lofton, but that kind of proves your point too. Ahem....
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 14, 2021 12:44:13 GMT
Lofton was second team all-80s. First team was Rice and Largent; second team Lofton and Monk. I think Buffalo fans would also know Lofton, but that kind of proves your point too. Ahem....
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You getting a physical, or is it just your natural reaction to play with yourself when discussing Philly sports?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 14, 2021 12:50:16 GMT
Ahem....
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You getting a physical, or is it just your natural reaction to play with yourself when discussing Philly sports? Look how beautiful and absolutely breathtaking those unis look
How I long for the return of Kelly Green on a regular basis
Fabulous looking
Stunning
One of the best Unis in all 4 major sports - ever......
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Post by tristramshandy on Apr 14, 2021 15:52:06 GMT
Lofton was second team all-80s. First team was Rice and Largent; second team Lofton and Monk. I think Buffalo fans would also know Lofton, but that kind of proves your point too. Ahem....
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There are certain players that have cups of coffee with my favorite teams that I end up forgetting played for them a few years down the road. I just randomly looked up the 2011 Steelers. I have no memory of Arnez Battle being a Steeler - - and he was for two years! Now he had three targets and zero catches in those two years, so by that time he was strictly a special teams player, but I watch every Steelers game, and it escaped me that he was there. For the Padres, you can play a game of "was he a Padre or not?" Because the most random players ended up playing with the Padres for a season or so. Randomly looked up the 2009 Padres: David Eckstein, Henry Blanco, Cliff Floyd, and Jody Gerut all played for them that year. Greg Maddux is celebrating his 55th birthday today - - he was a Padre for two seasons. I give you props for remembering that Lofton was an Eagle!
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