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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 13, 2021 10:04:37 GMT
I was watching an interview with Lea Thompson where she was speaking about Back To The Future and Eric Stoltz, where during the first table read he had called the movie a tragedy, because Marty had a completely different memory of the families life than his family. He was the only one with his memories, his parents, siblings and everybody had a completely different memory.
So do you agree with Eric Stoltz was Back To The Future a tragedy and not a comedy ?
Lea Thompson mentioned in this interview
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Post by ck100 on May 13, 2021 10:26:24 GMT
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Post by phantomparticle on May 13, 2021 10:27:38 GMT
It has always been said there is a fine line between comedy and tragedy.
I suppose if you over analyze any comedy you can come out at the other end, even a Laurel and Hardy classic.
If that is the underlying reason for Stoltz's interpretation of Marty, it is no wonder he clashed with the director and was replaced. Fox hit the right note for the material and was excellent.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 13, 2021 10:52:33 GMT
You ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Tannen the Unwise?
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Post by vegalyra on May 13, 2021 13:03:19 GMT
You ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Tannen the Unwise? Biff was the tragic figure, I mean look what he was capable of (part 2) and then How he ended up. All because of Marty’s Dad getting a sucker punch on him. |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 13, 2021 13:16:42 GMT
You ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Tannen the Unwise? Biff was the tragic figure, I mean look what he was capable of (part 2) and then How he ended up. All because of Marty’s Dad getting a sucker punch on him. I don’t get why George would allow Biff to even polish his car given he tried to rape Lorraine. Maybe it’s the humiliation that George is now the dominant one. |
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Post by mikef6 on May 13, 2021 13:53:51 GMT
lJohn Sullivan (Jim Caviezel) in "Frequency" (2000) was another movie character with more than one set of memories from changing the past.
Tragedy is easy. Comedy is hard.
BTTF is comedy through and through. Even though Marty remembers two time lines, it doesn't seem to have any effect on him. There are no tragic results from this. Maybe playing Marty as a tragic figure was part of what got Stoltz sacked.
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Post by kls on May 13, 2021 14:21:50 GMT
I mean I don't see how it was a downfall for any of the McFlys as opposed to what would have been
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Post by movielover on May 13, 2021 14:30:13 GMT
No wonder they fired Eric Stolz from the movie, he was bringing everyone down with his hippy-dippy views.
j/k
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Post by claudius on May 13, 2021 14:58:01 GMT
To be sure, there was a comic book sequel where Marty suffered angst over living in a timeline with history he has no memory of.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 20:17:47 GMT
Taking the material way too seriously is what cost "Marty" the role.
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Post by moviemouth on May 13, 2021 20:21:32 GMT
I can understand his way of seeing it and I actually never thought of it that way, but I don't think the movie is intended to be a tragedy.
I think he was looking too much into it.
One thing I have always wondered about time travel movies is, does the person who goes back in time and changes things have memories of both timelines? One movie that really made me think about this is Frequency. In this movie it is implie that he remembers that is dad was dead, but also has all these new memories of him being alive.
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Post by MCDemuth on May 13, 2021 20:43:17 GMT
I've always wondered, how a film that "Disintegrates Einstein", Terrorists Murder Doc Brown, and Marty faces incest with his mother... got classified as a "Comedy"...
Blockbuster Video should have had the movie in the Sci-Fi/Adventure section.
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Post by moviemouth on May 13, 2021 20:49:40 GMT
I've always wondered, how a film that "Disintegrates Einstein", Terrorists Murder Doc Brown, and Marty faces incest with his mother... got classified as a "Comedy"... Blockbuster Video should have had the movie in the Sci-Fi/Adventure section. Because most of it is done in an obviously humorous way. It didn't get classified as a comedy, the filmmakers intended it to be a comedy. Some of it is darkly funny, such as the incest part. It is like pointing to a comedy about murder and asking why is it not in the thriller section.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 13, 2021 21:04:00 GMT
They wanted Fox from the beginning. From what I heard.
Zemeckis movies have a nasty streak--look at the "shoe" business in Roger Rabbit.
Eddie's brother was killed by a toon.
Fox plays the movie like he's not really affected by his father or anything really.
Doc Brown is more of a father figure for him in a way.
What if Biff was actually his father?
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Post by Marv on May 13, 2021 22:00:31 GMT
No. He’s projecting his own dreariness into the plot and the creators clearly didn’t want that. I’ve always been a fan of Eric Stoltz but they made the right move getting Fox to play Marty.
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Post by novastar6 on May 14, 2021 3:56:38 GMT
I saw this movie for the first time last year, and even though it was a happy ending, I thought it was sad for Marty, because his entire family has been transformed into something great, and they obviously all had great lives, but he didn't get to be there for any of it, he remembers them all as fat, alcoholic, losers, etc., that's what he grew up with, that's what his family was until that point of time, he didn't get to reap a lot of the rewards of history being changed.
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Post by MCDemuth on May 14, 2021 4:24:42 GMT
I saw this movie for the first time last year, and even though it was a happy ending, I thought it was sad for Marty, because his entire family has been transformed into something great, and they obviously all had great lives, but he didn't get to be there for any of it, he remembers them all as fat, alcoholic, losers, etc., that's what he grew up with, that's what his family was until that point of time, he didn't get to reap a lot of the rewards of history being changed. Did It Change? Why is this photo exactly the same, after Lorraine Kissed George? Now that Dave " wears suits to the office"... He must be able to afford better clothes to wear than that!
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Post by Prime etc. on May 14, 2021 17:32:15 GMT
I saw this movie for the first time last year, and even though it was a happy ending, I thought it was sad for Marty, because his entire family has been transformed into something great, and they obviously all had great lives, but he didn't get to be there for any of it, he remembers them all as fat, alcoholic, losers, etc., that's what he grew up with, that's what his family was until that point of time, he didn't get to reap a lot of the rewards of history being changed. This is a really good point. Marty acts as if he grew up with the winner family. He does not change.
Fox was performing as if he was in a sitcom. He doesn't seem phased by anything except Doc Brown getting shot. His family is a comedy prop.
While he gets to know his mother and father when teenagers, it's like a sitcom. He's never very serious or concerned.
And his desire to help his father meet his mother is self-interest entirely.
There's no heart to heart scene between him and his parents--he relates to his father being upset about rejection--but doesn't the band thing seem totally irrelevant?
Supposedly Glover insisted the writer sub-plot be included because originally they just became rich.
That's another question.
She says "it's your first novel." So what was George doing for the last 30 years?
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Post by novastar6 on May 14, 2021 17:33:21 GMT
I saw this movie for the first time last year, and even though it was a happy ending, I thought it was sad for Marty, because his entire family has been transformed into something great, and they obviously all had great lives, but he didn't get to be there for any of it, he remembers them all as fat, alcoholic, losers, etc., that's what he grew up with, that's what his family was until that point of time, he didn't get to reap a lot of the rewards of history being changed. This is a really good point. Marty acts as if he grew up with the winner family. He does not change.
Fox was performing as if he was in a sitcom. He doesn't seem phased by anything except Doc Brown getting shot. His family is a comedy prop.
While he gets to know his mother and father when teenagers, it's like a sitcom. He's never very serious or concerned.
And his desire to help his father meet his mother is self-interest entirely.
There's no heart to heart scene between him and his parents--he relates to his father being upset about rejection--but doesn't the band thing seem totally irrelevant?
Supposedly Glover insisted the writer sub-plot be included because originally they just became rich.
That's another question.
She says "it's your first novel." So what was George doing for the last 30 years?
Probably short stories like Ray Bradbury.
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