Religion and Abortion

That "clump of cells" has its own unique DNA.

I'm not forgetting it any more than I 'forget' someone's death by natural causes or accidental injury in discussions about what constitutes murder.
Just because miscarriages happen is no more a justification for abortion than death by natural causes justifies a murder.

You do not know Chemistry or Biology.  That is obvious.

Not my argument, really.
Just saying that even in the absence of any intelligent designer or deity making conscious decisions...the comprehensiveness of such adaptations cannot be easily ignored.  I'm saying that it does not matter much what one attributes these amazing things to...even if explained with nothing but science, this and things like DNA are not accidents, even if they aren't personal or individual achievements per se.

I know!
That's what makes it, in my observation, a monumentally more thought-provoking matter than diluting the merits of such things down to whether it's an "achievement" or "potential".

So does a cancerous tumour.

Should we start campaigning to give them rights too?

As I stated accurately above, it is a clump of cells with a unique DNA which has  the 'potential' to be come a human baby if a lot of things go well for it.  JUST because it has unique DNA as some idiot said does not mean that it 'deserves' to progress to being a baby human ( an argument that the  high level of natural miscarriages  supports )  THere are many things that can interfere with achieveing normal babyhood and you are correct in asssigning some importance to the fact of it being with wanted or not, which will have considerable effect on what kind of life it may have, and as someone else pointed out, that of the parents and siblings if there is something seriously wrong with it which is possible to assess early in the pregnancy, for a justifiable abortion.  The main point is that it is no-one els'e business what the outcome is except the woman's with advice from partner, doctors family and friends.  End result...HER decision.

I refer you back to your own statement:




...except that it can't be a murdered 'baby' due to what I have outlined several times in this thread, however it would be an 'unlawfully terminated pregnancy by criminal violence', and assault on the mother.   The issue of abortion is irrelevant in this case.