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Post by Cody™ on Sept 14, 2021 15:56:02 GMT
So infanticide should not be a crime? If the parents are ok with it, and if the baby doesn't suffer from being put to sleep, then it shouldn't be a worse crime than killing an animal. At least that's my opinion. You’re sick in the head. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 14, 2021 16:02:38 GMT
If the parents are ok with it, and if the baby doesn't suffer from being put to sleep, then it shouldn't be a worse crime than killing an animal. At least that's my opinion. You’re sick in the head. ^^triggered. 
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Post by phludowin on Sept 14, 2021 16:06:33 GMT
Murder victims are persons, aborted fetuses aren't. Persons make choices, fetuses don't. Your freedom ends where the freedom of other persons begin. Can a one year old baby make a choice? To clarify: When I talked about choices, I meant conscious choices. Choices enabled by personhood. I believe that humans can make such choices on average when they are 18 months old. Maybe some early bloomers become persons earlier. But on average, the "choices" toddlers make before they reach personhood are comparable to the "choices" grown animals make. And most non-vegetarian humans have no problems with killing them.
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 14, 2021 16:09:43 GMT
Can a one year old baby make a choice? To clarify: When I talked about choices, I meant conscious choices. Choices enabled by personhood. I believe that humans can make such choices on average when they are 18 months old. Maybe some early bloomers become persons earlier. But on average, the "choices" toddlers make before they reach personhood are comparable to the "choices" grown animals make. And most non-vegetarian humans have no problems with killing them. You have no authority to make that sort of determination. Just your arbitrary self-serving deranged leftist opinion. You’re a twisted individual. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 14, 2021 16:50:27 GMT
You have no authority to make that sort of determination. That is correct. I do not have the authority. But neuroscientists and psychologists do; and I believe that their consensus is that on average, humans attain personhood abilities at 18 months. The decision to legally give living beings personhood however is not a scientific one, but a political one. And as such, my opinion is as valid as yours. So if you call my opinion "deranged" or "twisted", then this applies to your opinion as well.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Sept 14, 2021 17:30:27 GMT
So you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like everyone who is pro-life is religious in some way? Like I've never met a pro-life atheist. I grew up catholic. I practiced regularly until maybe 3-4 years ago. I always had issues with the Catholic church, but I reached a point where I no longer could ignore them. I still consider myself Christian though. But to me point, I think people need to learn to separate religion from personal choices. Let's say abortion is wrong within the context of your religion. Ok. So that means if you follow your religion 100% if you are ever in a particular kind of situation you would not get an abortion. Ok, that's fine, but don't take away other peoples choices over your religious beliefs. We have a separation between church and state for a reason. People are allowed to believe and act according to their own free will. If you really believe in God, in a christian-judaeo sense, than you would know God gave mankind free will. I think fellow humans should try to not stand in the way of that free will as much as possible. Religion isn't about belief. It's about power and the desire to control the will of the sheep that follow you. Christians abhor abortion (and birth control) because an aborted fetus is one fewer parishioner 20 years from now. By preaching the mantra of no-abortion to all, one drives home the point that Christians should not have abortions.
Note: while googling info on U.S. abortions, I was aghast to discover that estimates are that 18% of all pregnancies in the U.S. are terminated by willful abortion. Just imagine what the population would be. It is my opinion that the human population of quickly approaching the "carrying capacity" of the planet on which we live.
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