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Post by movieliker on Jul 26, 2021 14:56:37 GMT
The acting, dialogue, music, action, and special effects are good. But the plot logic doesn't make any sense. Here's where it all went in the toilet for me.
- The daughter tells the father in the future, she can figure out the toxin that will kill the aliens. But he will have to take it back to the past to mass produce it, so he can prevent the alien war from ever happening. But he says no because that would mean he would have to leave her in the future to die.
So ?? He would rather watch his daughter die in the future --- than go back to the past, and save his daughter's life --- and all of humanity ?? Stupid.
- Anyway --- against his will, he goes back to the past --- and what do you know, his daughter is still alive. He and his wife try to figure out when and where the aliens arrive. It doesn't make any difference now. They now have the toxin to kill them when or wherever they arrive.
- They go to some government guy (I think it's the president) and explain the situation. And the government guy basically says he cannot justify spending taxpayer money on saving humanity. Even though society is falling apart worldwide because everybody believes aliens will end humanity in 30 years. I personally cannot think of a better use of taxpayer money.
And then he states as one of the reasons, the Russians have closed their airspace. Uuhh, I think the Russians would be willing to cooperate with a mission to possibly save all of humanity.
- How easy is it to fly a privately funded cargo plane full of weapons and soldiers into Russia, blow up an alien spacecraft, kill the aliens, and fly out undetected? Well they do it.
I amost turned it off right there. But fortunately the final action scenes were good.
- Common stupid scifi movie trope - all the military ever uses against the aliens is pistols and machine guns with marginal effectiveness. The military has bigger weapons than pistols and machine guns. If pistols and machine guns are marginally effective, bigger more powerful weapons would be more effective.
I give it a 10 for the acting, action, dialogue, special effects, and music. And a 0 for the plot logic. Halfway between 10 and 0 is 5. But the acting, action, dialogue, special effects and music were so good, I'll give it a 6.
Did you see it?
What did you think?
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Jul 26, 2021 15:28:08 GMT
Chris Pratt mostly does crap.
This seems like his usual crappy stuff.
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Post by movieliker on Jul 26, 2021 15:29:25 GMT
Chris Pratt mostly does crap. This seems like his usual crappy stuff. His performance is good. I don't believe he had anything to do with the writing. |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Jul 26, 2021 15:32:40 GMT
Chris Pratt mostly does crap. This seems like his usual crappy stuff. His performance is good. He don't believe he had anything to do with the writing. I don't like Chris Pratt. |
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Post by movieliker on Jul 26, 2021 16:18:29 GMT
His performance is good. I don't believe he had anything to do with the writing. I don't like Chris Pratt. That is fine. Everybody has different tastes in actors. I like him. He's good in this. This is basically a good movie. The plot logic just doesn't make sense. I blame the writers for that. Not any of the actors. Why do you not like Chris Pratt? |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jul 26, 2021 19:50:31 GMT
I enjoyed it in spite of those plot problems. The thing with the Chris Pratt character insisting on saving his future daughter at the risk of possibly wasting the only chance of saving the entire world (including his daughter from the original timeline) I also found very annoying. Get a grip, will you? But then I don’t have children and I don’t know how easily I would let one of them die even knowing that she would still be alive in an alternate timeline.
Taking matters on their own hands for the mission to find and destroy the alien spaceship in Russia was ridiculous. They had years to convince American and/or Russian authorities that what they were saying was true, and there was absolutely no reason why their story shouldn’t be believed, since it was common knowledge that the invasion was going to take place in 30 years.
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Post by Morgana on Jul 27, 2021 13:34:06 GMT
I thought the premise of the film was rubbish, it made no sense whatsoever.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 27, 2021 15:51:42 GMT
The aliens are cool looking. I saw a picture.
Not mind-blowingly Giger amazing but still looked creepy.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 27, 2021 23:02:00 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 27, 2021 23:13:12 GMT
I liked it. Not great but thought it was pretty decent. Better than a lot of the movies Netflix comes out with. Liked it better than Black Widow but less than Quiet Place 2.
Yeah, the plot has some holes in it, but then every single movie that deals with time travel will always have holes in it. Fact is that because nobody has ever time travelled before, movies basically just make up their own logic and it will never be full-proof.
I'd probably give it a 7/10. Was originally thinking of 6/10 but the creature designs were good enough that it deserves an extra point for that alone.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 31, 2021 4:17:43 GMT
The potential is there. So much to like.
But it’s such a streaming movie. Terrible CGI, cliched characterization, and a certain timidity to real chance-taking and/or innovation.
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Post by Downey on Jul 31, 2021 16:25:02 GMT
I don't like Chris Pratt. That is fine. Everybody has different tastes in actors. I like him. He's good in this. This is basically a good movie. The plot logic just doesn't make sense. I blame the writers for that. Not any of the actors. Why do you not like Chris Pratt? He's no Ralph Macchio. |
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Post by Lux on Jul 31, 2021 16:28:02 GMT
I thought the premise of the film was rubbish, it made no sense whatsoever. Time traveling to the future to battle aliens what's so complex about that? No, that's a serious question. |
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Post by Morgana on Jul 31, 2021 17:26:39 GMT
I thought the premise of the film was rubbish, it made no sense whatsoever. Time traveling to the future to battle aliens what's so complex about that? No, that's a serious question. That wasn'r the stupid part in and of itself, though it would have made more sense to have travelled to a time just before the aliens land and make the world prepare for the invasion. The whole 'cure' part, and them going back in time just so they can send people to be cannon fodder is ridiculous.
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Post by Lux on Jul 31, 2021 17:37:44 GMT
Time traveling to the future to battle aliens what's so complex about that? No, that's a serious question. That wasn'r the stupid part in and of itself, though it would have made more sense to have travelled to a time just before the aliens land and make the world prepare for the invasion. The whole 'cure' part, and them going back in time just so they can send people to be cannon fodder is ridiculous. The time travel machine only works forward and backwards to the point of when it was built and then forwards. They couldn't have travelled to the time before aliens crashed. They needed to take the poison not the cure back to be mass produced because they didn't have enough time in the future to mass produce it, you know the end of the world was happening and all that. |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Jul 31, 2021 20:49:36 GMT
That is fine. Everybody has different tastes in actors. I like him. He's good in this. This is basically a good movie. The plot logic just doesn't make sense. I blame the writers for that. Not any of the actors. Why do you not like Chris Pratt? He's no Ralph Macchio. 
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Post by Lux on Aug 1, 2021 2:24:03 GMT
Time traveling to the future to battle aliens what's so complex about that? No, that's a serious question. That wasn'r the stupid part in and of itself, though it would have made more sense to have travelled to a time just before the aliens land and make the world prepare for the invasion. The whole 'cure' part, and them going back in time just so they can send people to be cannon fodder is ridiculous. Also, I missed out your "cannon fodder" remark in my previous reply... Well it was either be cannon fodder or alien food in the future anyway. |
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Post by Morgana on Aug 1, 2021 9:06:31 GMT
That wasn'r the stupid part in and of itself, though it would have made more sense to have travelled to a time just before the aliens land and make the world prepare for the invasion. The whole 'cure' part, and them going back in time just so they can send people to be cannon fodder is ridiculous. The time travel machine only works forward and backwards to the point of when it was built and then forwards. They couldn't have travelled to the time before aliens crashed. They needed to take the poison not the cure back to be mass produced because they didn't have enough time in the future to mass produce it, you know the end of the world was happening and all that. If it can travel forward then why can't it take them to the time just before the aliens landed?
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Post by Morgana on Aug 1, 2021 9:08:14 GMT
That wasn'r the stupid part in and of itself, though it would have made more sense to have travelled to a time just before the aliens land and make the world prepare for the invasion. The whole 'cure' part, and them going back in time just so they can send people to be cannon fodder is ridiculous. Also, I missed out your "cannon fodder" remark in my previous reply... Well it was either be cannon fodder or alien food in the future anyway. What exactly did throwing ordinary people at the Aliens accomplish anyway, other than their deaths? Don't say it delayed them enough for the poison to be made - why couldn't the poison, or whatever it was, have been made in the past since they then knew everything that was needed to make it?
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Post by Lux on Aug 1, 2021 10:08:27 GMT
Also, I missed out your "cannon fodder" remark in my previous reply... Well it was either be cannon fodder or alien food in the future anyway. What exactly did throwing ordinary people at the Aliens accomplish anyway, other than their deaths? Don't say it delayed them enough for the poison to be made - why couldn't the poison, or whatever it was, have been made in the past since they then knew everything that was needed to make it? True, but that doesn't help your case either because "cannon fodder" would still have been needed to be sent to the future to get the poison or help increase the dying number of future overwhelmed soldiers to allow more research into it in the future thus biding more time before Armageddon. By distracting the aliens. The time machine as limitations so you lot don't moan about Deus ex machina. |
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