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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 3, 2017 15:20:29 GMT
No. The Golden Age of Television was in the 1960's.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 3, 2017 16:02:46 GMT
Many of the programs listed have a theme of white man failure or making fun of rural white people.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 3, 2017 16:55:57 GMT
No. The Golden Age of Television was in the 1960's. We must be in the Platinum Plus Titanium Gold Chain Age |
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 3, 2017 17:05:47 GMT
Many of the programs listed have a theme of white man failure or making fun of rural white people. Excuse me, psycho, but stories about the tragic fall of men have been a major story telling theme in the West since fiction existed. Was there a cabal of Wall Street masterminds dictating their nefarious agenda to Shakespeare when he wrote Hamlet and Macbeth and numerous other plays about the downfall of European men? Naturally since in the West, white men dominate, they are going to eagerly put themselves into these narratives whenever they get a chance. No need to idiotically imagine some sort of conspiracy making anyone do this. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 3, 2017 17:12:22 GMT
Excuse me simpleton, but there is a difference between a story about someone overcoming adversity or a morality lesson and something where the entire subject is "white man failure."
At the very least they could spice it up with black man failure, Jewish man failure etc.
But they never do.
Jew of Malta by Christopher Marlowe comes to mind.
The main character is a Jew, he seeks to scheme to destroy Christian and Turk, but in the end the two subjects of his scheming trick him and destroy him.
You never see that theme in a Hollywood controlled story-even though Marlowe is the most famous English dramatist after Shakespeare and much of the audience being Anglo-Saxon, it is more in keeping with culture of the audience than something made by Eastern European studio bosses.
The Sopranos is about "white man failure" from beginning to end.
Breaking Bad,
Futurama is about a white male failure in the future.
The Simpsons is about a failure white father.
The closer you get to the present the more obvious it is.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 3, 2017 17:19:38 GMT
Art has to be relevant to the audience.
Case in point the Hand Maid's Tale.
A religious dictatorship taking over a government.
Not a bad idea--trouble is, a Christian dictatorship is the LEAST likely to be oppressing other people of the three Bible-linked religions.
It would make far more sense given current news to have the story be about a muslim dictatorship oppressing white women.
THIS would have relevance to the audience and current affairs.
The Wall Street media is not making art--it is making agitprop and Soviet-stye indoctrination material.
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Post by Jillian on Jul 3, 2017 17:27:39 GMT
Art has to be relevant to the audience. Case in point the Hand Maid's Tale. A religious dictatorship taking over a government. Not a bad idea--trouble is, a Christian dictatorship is the LEAST likely to be oppressing other people of the three Bible-linked religions. It would make far more sense given current news to have the story be about a muslim dictatorship oppressing white women. THIS would have relevance to the audience and current affairs. The Wall Street media is not making art--it is making agitprop and Soviet-stye indoctrination material. I strongly disagree with you there! The Handmaid's tale could not be more relevant in this day and age and that says a lot considering that it was written 30 years ago. It has got nothing to do with muslims in that manner, but about a deranged government *ahem*. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 3, 2017 17:33:02 GMT
It is governments aligned with Islam which are letting women get raped and allowing Sharia police to walk about in a town in Germany.
It is media aligned with Judea that is withholding statistics on crime-like the case of the black daycare worker who tortured a baby to death in Baltimore or the other woman who kidnapped a Texas boy and burned him to death with a blowtorch.
Or the court in England who let off three Somali women for shouting "kill the white bitch" as they kicked a victim on the ground because as muslims they hadn't had alcohol before.
Real life. Real problems.
A future ruled by Islamic fanatics is a real threat, not a Christian one. That is BS like the idea that White Christians were the driving force behind the African slave trade when it was Jews and Muslims.
Good art has to be truthful.
BTW Atwood was a government appointed artist.
The public did not swarm around Atwood--the government hoisted her on the public and declared: "this is our official media representative."
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Post by Jillian on Jul 3, 2017 17:38:40 GMT
It is governments aligned with Islam which are letting women get raped and allowing Sharia police to walk about in a town in Germany. It is media aligned with Judea that is withholding statistics on crime-like the case of the black daycare worker who tortured a baby to death in Baltimore or the other woman who kidnapped a Texas boy and burned him to death with a blowtorch. Or the court in England who let off three Somali women for shouting "kill the white bitch" as they kicked a victim on the ground because as muslims they hadn't had alcohol before. Real life. Real problems. A future ruled by Islamic fanatics is a real threat, not a Christian one. That is BS like the idea that White Christians were the driving force behind the African slave trade when it was Jews and Muslims. Good art has to be truthful. Actually, a white government that slowly passes on weird laws that slowly strip away women's rights and trying to brainwash people into thinking that refugees mean bad business is more accurate in my opinion in regards to The Handmaid's tale. The Christian thing in the show is a detail that easily could be changed to something else, like building walls and preventing people from travelling. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 3, 2017 17:44:13 GMT
"White" governments that put the privileges of foreigners before the native public. Right. So how about a show about a white government that is kissing the ass of Pakistani males at the expense of white mothers? Like this article suggests: www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590342/rezzas-abdulla-spat-babys-face-south-shields-racist-attackIf they did it, they would make the hate-filled attacker a white guy. Why not use real life for a change? That is how art used to work. The rapist in For a Few Dollars More was a Mexican because it actually happens in real life (you may have heard about the woman in Georgia who came home the other day and was raped in front of her child (they also threw scalding water on her). Their names were not O'Hara or Schmidt. |
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Post by Jillian on Jul 3, 2017 17:47:02 GMT
Well, Everything that happens in said book/show has already happened in real life in one way or another.
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 3, 2017 20:59:15 GMT
Feologild OakesIt does if they are no longer enjoyable to watch. but basically... i don't mind if things are a bit different into the past but once they become TOO different it makes them hard to enjoy. p.s. that's why i generally consider movies prior to the 1960's dated as their overall style etc is just too different from more modern standards and that makes them harder to enjoy, especially on any higher level. i am not saying EVERY movie prior to the 1960's is dated it's just a general guideline for me as when i look at the decades from today into the past, pre-1960's is the cut off point when looking at things on a per decade basis as you can basically see that's the point where movies start to become a lot different from more modern standards in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 21:22:56 GMT
Well just because you or another person don`t enjoy them anymore don`t mind that nobody enjoyes them anymore. |
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 3, 2017 21:32:41 GMT
Feologild OakesAgreed. but i think you get the gist of what i was saying. plus, i imagine in general most people(?) tend to stick with what's fairly new and don't venture much into the past when it comes to movies or TV shows. sure, someone who gets into movies/tv shows a bit more (like many of those around here) probably do but i suspect the more casual viewer is less likely to watch stuff beyond a certain point into the past especially if they don't have any word of mouth of people praising it etc. so i would imagine outside of really known shows/movies people probably don't watch much that's older than 20 years or so(?). just some speculation here but i imagine i got to be in the ball park when looking at the masses as a whole.
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 4, 2017 12:07:12 GMT
Excuse me simpleton, but there is a difference between a story about someone overcoming adversity or a morality lesson and something where the entire subject is "white man failure." Excuse me, racist lunatic, but none of the shows you have cited have "white man failure" as a theme. That's just your insecure, paranoid imagination projecting your own pathetic fears onto the material. |
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 4, 2017 12:12:26 GMT
A religious dictatorship taking over a government. Not a bad idea--trouble is, a Christian dictatorship is the LEAST likely to be oppressing other people of the three Bible-linked religions. Wrong. There are many Christians in the USA who would love to turn the country into an oppressive theocracy, and they have more or less admitted it. They are a far bigger threat to Western values since, unlike conservative Muslims who more or less have identical ideologies, they wield real power. Only the courts have been able to keep them and their anti-democratic ideas in check, and yet they still manage to chip away at women's rights. Honestly, you seem to have no grasp of objective reality. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 4, 2017 16:20:23 GMT
Excuse me, racist lunatic, but none of the shows you have cited have "white man failure" as a theme. That's just your insecure, paranoid imagination projecting your own pathetic fears onto the material. Jesus H Christ. The Sopranos is about an Italian American father who is a career criminal. His jewish psychiatrist ultimately decides he is beyond help and she only was making him feel better. The Simpsons is about a white male father who is lazy and retarded. Family Guy-ditto. If it is not about white male failure what do you think it is about--white male victory? And if you think Christians are an equal threat to jihadis you are too dumb to continue talking to. Beyond help I am afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 16:42:51 GMT
Excuse me, racist lunatic, but none of the shows you have cited have "white man failure" as a theme. That's just your insecure, paranoid imagination projecting your own pathetic fears onto the material. The Simpsons is about a white male father who is lazy and retarded. Yellow |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 4, 2017 16:59:14 GMT
LOl yeah that's right.
Yellow man failure.
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 4, 2017 18:42:25 GMT
If it is not about white male failure what do you think it is about--white male victory? The race of these characters is not the subject of the shows. It just something which you, as an insecure racist, obsess over. It was no more on the mind of the shows' writers than the race of Hamlet or Macbeth was on the mind of Shakespeare: the rise and fall arc is simply a beloved story telling device. So is the lovable idiot character trope. Conservative Christians are doing more to tear down democracy and freedom in American than any jihadis, none of whom have people in elected office wielding power and passing legislation which advances their agendas. This is just a fact. Obviously, how politics work is too complicated a subject for you to understand. Yes, racist conspiracy theory lunatics like you really are beyond help. It's as if the concepts of evidence, logic, and reason are toxic to the way your minds operate. |
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