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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 25, 2021 19:03:11 GMT
I want so badly to like this film, but I just can't. I appreciate Wise and Roddenberry wanting to give it a strong cerebral feel but I find nothing entertaining or watchable about it, aside from some pretty solid performances.
Watching Wrath of Khan with its high adventure and fast pace is such catharsis after watching this.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2021 19:08:15 GMT
It is my favorite of all the Star Trek movies, because it isn't an action movie but more of a movie inspired by 2001: A Space Odyssey. I love the long drawn out stuff and the atmosphere and mysterious feeling of the whole movie. V'ger is fascinating to me. Jerry Goldsmith's score is wonderful and the vfx are impressive for 1979.
I have only seen the director's cut though. I don't know what the theatrical version is like.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 25, 2021 19:13:00 GMT
It is my favorite of all the Star Trek movies, because it isn't an action movie but more of a movie inspired by 2001: A Space Odyssey. I love the long drawn out stuff and the atmosphere and mysterious feeling of the whole movie. V'ger is fascinating to me. Jerry Goldsmith's score is wonderful and the vfx are impressive for 1979. I have only seen the director's cut though. I don't know what the theatrical version is like. Jerry Goldsmith's score is absolutely wonderful and iconic, I agree.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Aug 25, 2021 19:23:01 GMT
I always enjoyed it, I enjoyed the special extended version even more, but I've not been able to watch it after I found that Stephen Collins (Commander Decker) is a paedophile.
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Post by Lux on Aug 25, 2021 19:32:43 GMT
I always enjoyed it, I enjoyed the special extended version even more, but I've not been able to watch it after I found that Stephen Collins (Commander Decker) is a paedophile. You have to seperate the work from the man. Him allegedly being a paedophile should have no effect on this movie.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Aug 25, 2021 19:36:42 GMT
Its my least favorite of the film series.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 25, 2021 19:47:36 GMT
Its my least favorite of the film series. Which is your favorite?
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Aug 25, 2021 20:05:17 GMT
Haven't seen it. I don't have any interest in Star Trek.
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Post by jcush on Aug 25, 2021 20:37:04 GMT
It took me a second viewing to fully get into it. I prefer some of the sequels, but I have come to like it's less action oriented and more thought provoking storyline.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Aug 25, 2021 20:56:44 GMT
Its my least favorite of the film series. Which is your favorite? 6: The Undiscovered Country
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Post by Jonesy1 on Aug 25, 2021 21:10:13 GMT
I always enjoyed it, I enjoyed the special extended version even more, but I've not been able to watch it after I found that Stephen Collins (Commander Decker) is a paedophile. You have to seperate the work from the man. Him allegedly being a paedophile should have no effect on this movie. It’s not alleged, he admitted it in 2014.
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Post by Lux on Aug 25, 2021 21:12:20 GMT
You have to seperate the work from the man. Him allegedly being a paedophile should have no effect on this movie. It’s not alleged, he admitted it in 2014. Damn but anyway an actor's real life scandals must not be confused with the movie.
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Post by vegalyra on Aug 25, 2021 21:25:19 GMT
I like the first four films, the director's cut is really good. I'm not a huge Star Trek fan outside of the original episodes but the first film most closely resembled an old episode. That was probably intentional, I've never really read up on it.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Aug 25, 2021 21:27:11 GMT
It’s an impressively dull movie.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2021 21:34:47 GMT
You have to seperate the work from the man. Him allegedly being a paedophile should have no effect on this movie. It’s not alleged, he admitted it in 2014.That I didn't know. I can still watch the movie though. It isn't as if he is the writer or director or main character of the movie. Granted he is in it quite a bit, but the movie has more prominent characters than him. That being said, I am not going to blame someone for being off-put watching the movie after finding out he is an admitted pedophile.
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Post by MCDemuth on Aug 25, 2021 22:45:40 GMT
It’s not alleged, he admitted it in 2014. Damn but anyway an actor's real life scandals must not be confused with the movie. Well, it's very difficult when it's Someone, like: Kevin Spacey... Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns? Not a problem for me... But... Kevin Spacey in "American Beauty" (1999)? He and his character are very similar, and it is very hard to separate the two... As for Stephen Collins?... Because he is nothing like the characters he plays in media, like, "Star Trek" & "Tales Of The Gold Monkey... it's easy, at least for me, to separate them, because it's kind of like seeing someone's long lost "twin". Sure they look the same, but had completely different lives. As for the movie... When I was a kid, I found it boring as hell... Not enough dialog and stuff going on. Traveling through V'Ger took way too long for me to enjoy. It was my least favorite for years... As I've gotten older, I've learned to appreciate it more... but, It may still be my least favorite... However, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is pretty close behind.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2021 22:53:36 GMT
Damn but anyway an actor's real life scandals must not be confused with the movie. Well, it's very difficult when it's Someone, like: Kevin Spacey... Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns? Not a problem for me... But... Kevin Spacey in "American Beauty" (1999)? He and his character are very similar, and it is very hard to separate the two... As for Stephen Collins?... Because he is nothing like the characters he plays in media, like, "Star Trek" & "Tales Of The Gold Monkey... it's easy, at least for me, to separate them, because it's kind of like seeing someone's long lost "twin". Sure they look the same, but had completely different lives. As for the movie... When I was a kid, I found it boring as hell... Not enough dialog and stuff going on. Traveling through V'Ger took way too long for me to enjoy. It was my least favorite for years... As I've gotten older, I've learned to appreciate it more... but, It may still be my least favorite... However, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is pretty close behind. I can still watch American Beauty, but it does help that in many cases Kevin Spacey plays a creep. He is even a creep in American Beauty tbh. We do understand him and we do sympathize with him, but he is a creep in the movie. In fact, most of the characters in American Beauty are bad people to one extent or another.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 25, 2021 22:57:53 GMT
It has its flaws, but it has its strengths as well. It's certainly more "Star Trek" than any of the Chris Pine Star Trek movies.
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Post by wmcclain on Aug 26, 2021 20:10:11 GMT
Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979), directed by Robert Wise. When Earth is menaced by a vast alien power, Admiral Kirk resumes command of the refitted Starship Enterprise to penetrate its concealing veils, slowly thrust through its strange orifices, reveal its innermost mysteries and couple with the hidden secret at its very center. And that's why you hire James T. Kirk. I am of that generation who watched the original series in its first broadcast, suffered its cancellation twice, mourned for its loss and tried to keep it alive by compulsively watching reruns, building models, putting up posters and playing early computer games. In the pre- Star Wars (1977) era SF films were rare and we were desperate for anything in the right direction, no matter how feeble the plots or cheesy the special effects. From the end of the series until this first film was just ten years, but it seemed like forever. Too long, in fact. When it arrived it was too little, too late. We were happy to have it back again, but also felt let down: - Why did everyone look so much older?
- And what was up with their hair?
- Could they have found uglier uniforms if they tried? (We wouldn't have been happy with the original uniforms, either. Too dated).
- Wasn't the plot simultaneously grandiose and thin?
- Hadn't we seen it before? Ah, yes: The Changeling.
- Although the very long fly-by of the Enterprise in space dock was obvious fan service indulging our tearful devotion to the starship, that time (and the long V'Ger approach business) could have been used to do something with the characters.
- As it is, the extended core of Sulu, Chapel, Chekov and Uhura had a handful of lines and nothing much to do.
- And Decker and Ilia took over the story because...?
- Didn't the whole thing seem humorless?
We have the first new-style Klingons and their language, and the start of a trend toward gigantism in the Engineering Dept, culminating in the carnival ride silliness of the current movies. Special effects were developing so fast back then that you could see something new in every film. Many of the effects here look pretty bad now, like arcade game graphics of the period. I don't remember what we thought of them at the time, but compared to Alien (1979) and Blade Runner (1982) from the same era, this one is weak. The V'Ger cloud interior does have some lovely art. Very much on the plus side: Jerry Goldsmith begins his long association with Trek and contributes a wonderful sea-faring score. And you know: the concept itself is a good one. A space probe adopted by a machine intelligence, vastly magnified in power and intelligence, returns home seeking answers. And that humans could find transcendence via this same machinery: that's weird The production backstory is too much for me to get into. Chaotic and rushed, continual rewrites and reworking of the effects: costs tripled but the film still made a good profit. Available on Blu-ray. The commentary track is by a happy gang of Trek pros. They are enthusiastic about the film, including the effects and costumes. They have gentle jibes about the plot and characters. They also point out that there is a modest character development arc: Kirk, Spock and McCoy have been "away" and this is the story of their return and adjustment to being back where they belong.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 26, 2021 20:21:02 GMT
Love it.
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