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Post by brownstones on May 18, 2017 18:21:56 GMT
I'm a batman fan.....but it's iron man.
Now Tony vs Bruce......then yes Bruce every day, but the suit is a flying arsenal.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 18:29:17 GMT
How far along in the MCU's timeline is Tony for this fight. If he's only Ironman 1 Tony: Batman, easily. Ironman 2: still Batman. Post-Avengers Tony: This is where it starts getting harder for Batsy, because now he has a legion of automated suits. And if we take things clear to directly Post-Age of Ultron/Civil War, Tony has learned hand-to-hand combat, himself, has hyper versatile arsenal for every occasion, and a fully sentient robot son and bodyguard powered by an Infinity Stone. Nah, even if it's Ironman from IM1, what kind of gadgets do Batman have that has enough firepower to take out IM? That suit was tanking tank shells like they were nothing. And Batman's suit isn't stopping IM's firepower from tearing through him.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 19:11:16 GMT
How far along in the MCU's timeline is Tony for this fight. If he's only Ironman 1 Tony: Batman, easily. Ironman 2: still Batman. Post-Avengers Tony: This is where it starts getting harder for Batsy, because now he has a legion of automated suits. And if we take things clear to directly Post-Age of Ultron/Civil War, Tony has learned hand-to-hand combat, himself, has hyper versatile arsenal for every occasion, and a fully sentient robot son and bodyguard powered by an Infinity Stone. Nah, even if it's Ironman from IM1, what kind of gadgets do Batman have that has enough firepower to take out IM? That suit was tanking tank shells like they were nothing. And Batman's suit isn't stopping IM's firepower from tearing through him. You mean Batman's Armor? He has armored suits also, built to withstand blows from superman, so , yeah, tank shells...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 19:15:03 GMT
How far along in the MCU's timeline is Tony for this fight. If he's only Ironman 1 Tony: Batman, easily. Ironman 2: still Batman. Post-Avengers Tony: This is where it starts getting harder for Batsy, because now he has a legion of automated suits. And if we take things clear to directly Post-Age of Ultron/Civil War, Tony has learned hand-to-hand combat, himself, has hyper versatile arsenal for every occasion, and a fully sentient robot son and bodyguard powered by an Infinity Stone. Yeah it would depend on what iteration we are talking about. Or else we can just say well "Whoever has the infinity gauntlet. I think a better question would be the opposite. Without any tech who would win? Bruce Wayne easily. Absolutely correct. Take away the toys from both and you just leave the guys underneath, Bruce would literally use Tony as a mop to clean up his own blood.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 19:18:46 GMT
How far along in the MCU's timeline is Tony for this fight. If he's only Ironman 1 Tony: Batman, easily. Ironman 2: still Batman. Post-Avengers Tony: This is where it starts getting harder for Batsy, because now he has a legion of automated suits. And if we take things clear to directly Post-Age of Ultron/Civil War, Tony has learned hand-to-hand combat, himself, has hyper versatile arsenal for every occasion, and a fully sentient robot son and bodyguard powered by an Infinity Stone. Nah, even if it's Ironman from IM1, what kind of gadgets do Batman have that has enough firepower to take out IM? That suit was tanking tank shells like they were nothing. And Batman's suit isn't stopping IM's firepower from tearing through him. Well, what I was getting at with IM1&2 Tony is that he was more vulnerable without the suit at that point. All Batman would have to do is jump him when he's outside of the suit at that point and he'd still trounce him. But after The Avengers, Tony started preparing himself for situations where he doesn't have the suit or needs more backup right away.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 19:34:22 GMT
Nah, even if it's Ironman from IM1, what kind of gadgets do Batman have that has enough firepower to take out IM? That suit was tanking tank shells like they were nothing. And Batman's suit isn't stopping IM's firepower from tearing through him. Well, what I was getting at with IM1&2 Tony is that he was more vulnerable without the suit at that point. All Batman would have to do is jump him when he's outside of the suit at that point and he'd still trounce him. But after The Avengers, Tony started preparing himself for situations where he doesn't have the suit or needs more backup right away. Then that's basically Batman vs. Tony Stark. I was under the assumption that Tony would already be in this suit and fully prepared to fight.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 19:36:16 GMT
Nah, even if it's Ironman from IM1, what kind of gadgets do Batman have that has enough firepower to take out IM? That suit was tanking tank shells like they were nothing. And Batman's suit isn't stopping IM's firepower from tearing through him. You mean Batman's Armor? He has armored suits also, built to withstand blows from superman, so , yeah, tank shells... Batman's armor that was getting damaged by a weakened Superman's punches? Batman's armor that made him slow and cumbersome as a sloth? Batman's armor that had no artillery at all? Yeah, he'd have a better chance at fighting off IM without that suit. He's far too slow in that suit and unlike Superman, IM won't be fighting him severely weakened. So I ask again, what firepower does Batman have that can actually take out IM?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 18, 2017 19:38:10 GMT
Really cool responses to this question. Thanks, everyone.
The main thing I take away from reading a lot of the interesting points made is that Bruce/Batman has a degree of -- I dunno, for lack of a better word, viciousness, that might get him over the hump. I'm mostly inclined to agree with that, although honestly no incarnation of Tony Stark/IM is a pushover to be taken lightly.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 19:48:09 GMT
Really cool responses to this question. Thanks, everyone. The main thing I take away from reading a lot of the interesting points made is that Bruce/Batman has a degree of -- I dunno, for lack of a better word, viciousness, that might get him over the hump. I'm mostly inclined to agree with that, although honestly no incarnation of Tony Stark/IM is a pushover to be taken lightly. I think that's just a misconception because Batman likes to look dark and brooding whereas Tony jokes around all the time. But if you look deeper into it, you'll see than Tony has no qualms killing his enemies in cold blood whereas Batman actually struggles with himself on whether he should take a life or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 20:15:56 GMT
Well, what I was getting at with IM1&2 Tony is that he was more vulnerable without the suit at that point. All Batman would have to do is jump him when he's outside of the suit at that point and he'd still trounce him. But after The Avengers, Tony started preparing himself for situations where he doesn't have the suit or needs more backup right away. Then that's basically Batman vs. Tony Stark. I was under the assumption that Tony would already be in this suit and fully prepared to fight. Well, this would probably be happening Round 1, where he did face Ironman and lost, but managed to escape him afterwards. Then licked his wounds, tailed back, and stalked Tony until he had a clear shot to pummel him out of suit. This is usually what Batman does if he loses an initial fight with a new opponent.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 20:22:39 GMT
Then that's basically Batman vs. Tony Stark. I was under the assumption that Tony would already be in this suit and fully prepared to fight. Well, this would probably be happening Round 1, where he did face Ironman and lost, but managed to escape him afterwards. Then licked his wounds, tailed back, and stalked Tony until he had a clear shot to pummel him out of suit. This is usually what Batman does if he loses an initial fight with a new opponent. Meaning Batman actually needs a handicap to win. He can't win against Ironman so he goes after Tony Stark instead.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 20:23:36 GMT
Well, this would probably be happening Round 1, where he did face Ironman and lost, but managed to escape him afterwards. Then licked his wounds, tailed back, and stalked Tony until he had a clear shot to pummel him out of suit. This is usually what Batman does if he loses an initial fight with a new opponent. Meaning Batman actually needs a handicap to win. He can't win against Ironman so he goes after Tony Stark instead. Wouldn't be the first time, hilariously.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 18, 2017 20:57:32 GMT
Meaning Batman actually needs a handicap to win. He can't win against Ironman so he goes after Tony Stark instead. Wouldn't be the first time, hilariously. This is an interesting tactic of which I'm mostly unaware, although I know the Dark Knight is always skulking about so it "fits." What are other examples of times Bruce has done that?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 21:21:07 GMT
You mean Batman's Armor? He has armored suits also, built to withstand blows from superman, so , yeah, tank shells... Batman's armor that was getting damaged by a weakened Superman's punches? Batman's armor that made him slow and cumbersome as a sloth? Batman's armor that had no artillery at all? Yeah, he'd have a better chance at fighting off IM without that suit. He's far too slow in that suit and unlike Superman, IM won't be fighting him severely weakened. So I ask again, what firepower does Batman have that can actually take out IM? That depends, but with time to prepare wich I'm assuming it's included instead of them just running into each other, if not the they have access to everything in their respective companies doesn't make sense (Wayne, wait a sec I have something that can take you out... BRB) Than Batman would prepare the shit out of Stark. No contest. No, cross that, even if they just run into each other Wayne would still be prepared. That's the kind of guy he is. He has contingency plans for the contigency plans. As soon as he had knowledge of the existence of iron Man he would have a way to defeat him. Stark would just wing it and make a mess of it. So no matter what Stark has up his sleeve, Wayne would counter it. Now, with just what they usually have and no knowledge of each other... Maybe!
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 21:35:29 GMT
Batman's armor that was getting damaged by a weakened Superman's punches? Batman's armor that made him slow and cumbersome as a sloth? Batman's armor that had no artillery at all? Yeah, he'd have a better chance at fighting off IM without that suit. He's far too slow in that suit and unlike Superman, IM won't be fighting him severely weakened. So I ask again, what firepower does Batman have that can actually take out IM? That depends, but with time to prepare wich I'm assuming it's included instead of them just running into each other, if not the they have access to everything in their respective companies doesn't make sense (Wayne, wait a sec I have something that can take you out... BRB) Than Batman would prepare the shit out of Stark. No contest. No, cross that, even if they just run into each other Wayne would still be prepared. That's the kind of guy he is. He has contingency plans for the contigency plans. As soon as he had knowledge of the existence of iron Man he would have a way to defeat him. Stark would just wing it and make a mess of it. So no matter what Stark has up his sleeve, Wayne would counter it. Now, with just what they usually have and no knowledge of each other... Maybe! And you don't think Stark will also prepare for him? Besides, in the OP it is not mentioned that they can create stuff to take the other out, simply that they have access to what resources they already have. So what stuff does Wayne already have that can help him against Stark? Remember that this is movie Batman, and movie Batman isn't really that great with prep, not like his comic version.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 21:54:04 GMT
That depends, but with time to prepare wich I'm assuming it's included instead of them just running into each other, if not the they have access to everything in their respective companies doesn't make sense (Wayne, wait a sec I have something that can take you out... BRB) Than Batman would prepare the shit out of Stark. No contest. No, cross that, even if they just run into each other Wayne would still be prepared. That's the kind of guy he is. He has contingency plans for the contigency plans. As soon as he had knowledge of the existence of iron Man he would have a way to defeat him. Stark would just wing it and make a mess of it. So no matter what Stark has up his sleeve, Wayne would counter it. Now, with just what they usually have and no knowledge of each other... Maybe! And you don't think Stark will also prepare for him? Besides, in the OP it is not mentioned that they can create stuff to take the other out, simply that they have access to what resources they already have. So what stuff does Wayne already have that can help him against Stark? Remember that this is movie Batman, and movie Batman isn't really that great with prep, not like his comic version. So you agree that in comics Batman would own Iron Man?
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 18, 2017 22:06:24 GMT
Batman. The two cancel each other out with technology and wit. Therefore, physically, Batman is much more powerful, so he wins. Except Tony's technology is actually better. Can you imagine Batman going through the opponents IM has faced and actually winning? I could actually. Batman could easily beat Obadiah or Whiplash. Those little aliens or robots in The Avengers flicks could also be taken pretty easily. When it comes down to it, we're just going to pick whoever we like better. I like Batman more. I'm assuming you like Iron Man more. I think Batman would win, but I could easily see Iron Man winning as well.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 22:10:04 GMT
Except Tony's technology is actually better. Can you imagine Batman going through the opponents IM has faced and actually winning? I could actually. Batman could easily beat Obadiah or Whiplash. Those little aliens or robots in The Avengers flicks could also be taken pretty easily. When it comes down to it, we're just going to pick whoever we like better. I like Batman more. I'm assuming you like Iron Man more. I think Batman would win, but I could easily see Iron Man winning as well. So you think Batman could go toe to toe with Thor in a fight? Or take on both Captain America and Winter Soldier? Or defeat Killian and his superpowered goons? How bout Ultron? How bout Hulk? I actually hate Ironman. I do hate Batman more. But the reason I'm taking IM's side is because from a pure objective stand point, he just has too many advantages over Batman.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2017 22:10:44 GMT
And you don't think Stark will also prepare for him? Besides, in the OP it is not mentioned that they can create stuff to take the other out, simply that they have access to what resources they already have. So what stuff does Wayne already have that can help him against Stark? Remember that this is movie Batman, and movie Batman isn't really that great with prep, not like his comic version. So you agree that in comics Batman would own Iron Man? It would depend on which versions. But that's a discussion for another day. For now, please stick to the movie versions. How exactly do you think movie Batman will win against movie IM?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 22:12:29 GMT
So you agree that in comics Batman would own Iron Man? It would depend on which versions. But that's a discussion for another day. For now, please stick to the movie versions. How exactly do you think movie Batman will win against movie IM? Anti-iron Man spray.
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