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Post by Jason143 on Sept 17, 2021 9:49:38 GMT
I actually think directors like Denis are a part of the problem. I adore Blade Runner 2049 and it’s my favorite sci fi movie since Jurassic Park. But Dune, as much as I want to see it, does look like an indie film with a massive budget and that type of thing never made money in Hollywood. Pick whatever era you like there was no time when a movie like this was going to be a huge hit. It’s a fallacy that one must chose between mass appeal and creative integrity. It’s your job as a filmmaker to find the balance. And to blame superhero movies when you fear that you are about to fail is pathetic. Accurate assessment. I loved Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 but they didnt make money because they have no mass appeal. They are glorified big budget indie productions. Film snobs would say thats a good thing but its not. I've always had the opinion that the hardest big budget movies to make are the ones which are intelligent, original but also accessible to audiences of all backgrounds. Its the reason why Christopher Nolan is so adored by casual audiences because of Inception and Dark Knight. High concept movies executed in a way that draws mass audiences, something that Blade Runner, Arrival and probably Dune will not. Upcoming directors need to study Steven Spielberg more so we can get the likes of Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones again.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 17, 2021 13:57:27 GMT
Anyone else amused by how blunt Denis was?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 17, 2021 14:21:05 GMT
The reaction to his comments on Twitter is entertaining that's for sure. Indeed.
Dennis Villeneuve is 100 times the filmmaker that Neil Blomkamp is. Blomkamp is a one hit wonder.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 17, 2021 14:24:54 GMT
Anyone else amused by how blunt Denis was? A tad bit. I agree to a point. Sometimes they do borrow stuff from one another. With that many movies, perhaps it’s inevitable.
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Post by pennypacker on Sept 17, 2021 14:42:54 GMT
Anyone else amused by how blunt Denis was? I actually thought he was quite nice. I honestly don’t understand why people are so offended.
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Post by Cat on Sept 17, 2021 15:24:56 GMT
To me, it's like arguing the chapters of a book are too similar. If each film came out with a different color gradient or aspect ratio, it wouldn't be clear it's telling the same story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 15:52:48 GMT
I actually think directors like Denis are a part of the problem. I adore Blade Runner 2049 and it’s my favorite sci fi movie since Jurassic Park. But Dune, as much as I want to see it, does look like an indie film with a massive budget and that type of thing never made money in Hollywood. Pick whatever era you like there was no time when a movie like this was going to be a huge hit. It’s a fallacy that one must chose between mass appeal and creative integrity. It’s your job as a filmmaker to find the balance. And to blame superhero movies when you fear that you are about to fail is pathetic. Accurate assessment. I loved Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 but they didnt make money because they have no mass appeal. They are glorified big budget indie productions. Film snobs would say thats a good thing but its not. I've always had the opinion that the hardest big budget movies to make are the ones which are intelligent, original but also accessible to audiences of all backgrounds. Its the reason why Christopher Nolan is so adored by casual audiences because of Inception and Dark Knight. High concept movies executed in a way that draws mass audiences, something that Blade Runner, Arrival and probably Dune will not. Upcoming directors need to study Steven Spielberg more so we can get the likes of Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones again. I wish there had been more Spielbergs and Lucases. Nobody really took the baton from those two. They revolutionized the blockbuster, taking it to new heights, then no one ever continued that legacy. You could also go back to great directors like David Lean or Francis Ford Coppola. They’re both way before my time but I know their movies were must see at the time, and remain so ever since. I know people went to see Lawrence of Arabia on the big screen because it was a genuinely well made movie with depth and story and phenomenal acting that also had spectacle and mass appeal as well. No such movies exist now. And I bet you didn’t hear Lean complaining that B Movie Sci Fi flicks were ruining cinema, or Coppola complaining about westerns.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 17, 2021 16:05:52 GMT
I think Denis touched a nerve...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 17, 2021 16:24:27 GMT
To me, it's like arguing the chapters of a book are too similar. If each film came out with a different color gradient or aspect ratio, it wouldn't be clear it's telling the same story. No, that's a poor analogy. A better analogy would be if separate whole books were too similar, not just the chapters. After a while you'd wonder what the was going on with the author. Shang Chi isn't another chapter of Black Widow, which isn't another chapter of Antman. They're individual franchises within the MCU. That's the mistake a lot of people make, and I've even read critics make the same mistake too. MCU is NOT one whole big franchise. Its lots of separate franchises under one banner. They're brilliant at being interconnected, but Thor is not the same "franchise" as Captain America or Black Panther. They're separate.
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Post by Cat on Sept 17, 2021 16:34:42 GMT
To me, it's like arguing the chapters of a book are too similar. If each film came out with a different color gradient or aspect ratio, it wouldn't be clear it's telling the same story. No, that's a poor analogy. A better analogy would be if separate whole books were too similar, not just the chapters. After a while you'd wonder what the was going on with the author. Shang Chi isn't another chapter of Black Widow, which isn't another chapter of Antman. They're individual franchises within the MCU. That's the mistake a lot of people make, and I've even read critics make the same mistake too. MCU is NOT one whole big franchise. Its lots of separate franchises under one banner. They're brilliant at being interconnected, but Thor is not the same "franchise" as Captain America or Black Panther. They're separate. It unfolds like separate installments of the same story to me. Ever since the beginning it plays out like different chapters of an ongoing story. If you lined them all up in chronological order, it would make for one long movie, no?
I get individual franchises within the MCU, but you also have movies that are sequels to other films as well as their own franchise within the series. Iron Man 3 for example was kind of a sequel to both Avengers and Iron Man 2.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 17, 2021 16:35:28 GMT
You know where this is heading: In an interview with El Mundo for the upcoming release of Dune, Villeneuve opened up about his thoughts on the world of MCU filmmaking. The director shared his belief that the films are far too similar to one another and that the roster has past its acceptable limit of installments. See Villeneuve's translated comments below: "There are too many Marvel movies that are nothing more than a cut and paste of others." screenrant.com/marvel-movies-criticism-denis-villeneuve-dune-movie/If "There are too many Marvel movies that are nothing more than a cut and paste of others" is all he said, then I don't see what all the hubbub is. He's right. Its true. Doesn't mean I wont go see them and still enjoy them. I will. I wish DC would learn the Marvel way of making movies!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 17, 2021 16:49:32 GMT
No, that's a poor analogy. A better analogy would be if separate whole books were too similar, not just the chapters. After a while you'd wonder what the was going on with the author. Shang Chi isn't another chapter of Black Widow, which isn't another chapter of Antman. They're individual franchises within the MCU. That's the mistake a lot of people make, and I've even read critics make the same mistake too. MCU is NOT one whole big franchise. Its lots of separate franchises under one banner. They're brilliant at being interconnected, but Thor is not the same "franchise" as Captain America or Black Panther. They're separate. It unfolds like separate installments of the same story to me. Ever since the beginning it plays out like different chapters of an ongoing story. If you lined them all up in chronological order, it would make for one long movie, no?
I get individual franchises within the MCU, but you also have movies that are sequels to other films as well as their own franchise within the series. Iron Man 3 for example was kind of a sequel to both Avengers and Iron Man 2. Don't get me wrong; I understand what you're saying. They're geniuses at what they do.
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Post by Cat on Sept 17, 2021 18:40:35 GMT
It unfolds like separate installments of the same story to me. Ever since the beginning it plays out like different chapters of an ongoing story. If you lined them all up in chronological order, it would make for one long movie, no?
I get individual franchises within the MCU, but you also have movies that are sequels to other films as well as their own franchise within the series. Iron Man 3 for example was kind of a sequel to both Avengers and Iron Man 2. Don't get me wrong; I understand what you're saying. They're geniuses at what they do. It's been so long since I've thought anything else that I lost track of my responsibility to reexamine my beliefs. I honestly appreciate your reply to me. It's been forever since I've heard no and people should hear it more often. It dares us to be better, even when we think we're high up there already. Cheers.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 17, 2021 19:20:48 GMT
Don't get me wrong; I understand what you're saying. They're geniuses at what they do. It's been so long since I've thought anything else that I lost track of my responsibility to reexamine my beliefs. I honestly appreciate your reply to me. It's been forever since I've heard no and people should hear it more often. It dares us to be better, even when we think we're high up there already. Cheers. Hey, we can debate without being dicks to one another. Keep keeping on, Cat!
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 17, 2021 19:28:39 GMT
Can these film journalists please stop asking directors what they think of Marvel movies?
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Post by Lux on Sept 18, 2021 10:59:04 GMT
Anyone else amused by how blunt Denis was? I actually thought he was quite nice. I honestly don’t understand why people are so offended. 😂How was that nice? It was hypocritical and maybe him being a hypocrite made him sound funny but it was hardly nice. I found him funny that he's directing a Star Wars copy and paste while moaning about the same thing. Is English your first language?
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Post by pennypacker on Sept 18, 2021 17:20:25 GMT
I actually thought he was quite nice. I honestly don’t understand why people are so offended. Is English your first language? Technically no, but it's the only language I speak. The headline is a little rude, but people are overreacting. Whenever I have an irl conversation about the MCU I tell people that they're all the fucking same. If Dennis had said that, I could understand why people are mad. Pretty sure Dune came before SW.
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Post by Lux on Sept 18, 2021 17:28:36 GMT
Is English your first language? Technically no, but it's the only language I speak. The headline is a little rude, but people are overreacting. Whenever I have an irl conversation about the MCU I tell people that they're all the fucking same. If Dennis had said that, I could understand why people are mad. Pretty sure Dune came before SW. Denis's interpretation of Dune came after Star Wars.
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Post by pennypacker on Sept 18, 2021 17:39:28 GMT
Technically no, but it's the only language I speak. The headline is a little rude, but people are overreacting. Whenever I have an irl conversation about the MCU I tell people that they're all the fucking same. If Dennis had said that, I could understand why people are mad. Pretty sure Dune came before SW. Denis's interpretation of Dune came after Star Wars. That doesn’t make it a Star Wars rip off.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 19, 2021 6:47:50 GMT
The reaction to his comments on Twitter is entertaining that's for sure. Indeed. Blomkamp has never made a good movie.
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