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Post by dantethedylan on May 22, 2017 9:57:56 GMT
But high with critics ? The movie has a certificated fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, 73% and 66 on metacritic which is for metacritic standards good. But the movie is right on 6.9 on IMDB and is still falling. Didn't watch the movie yet, but it's very strange. These kind of movies have a very high rating from the people, especially in the beginning. But when these movies have a higher score from critics too, the rating is even higher from the fans. Even Prometheus after so many years has a bigger score than this movie, it has a 7 on IMDB. Why don't people like this movie ?
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Post by charzhino on May 22, 2017 12:07:24 GMT
Im not sure. I saw this film on release knowing what the critic consensus was but was unaware of what other moviegoers thought of it. And like you I am surprised by the negativity of audience reception. I really liked Covenant, I gave it a 8/10 but I'm not a hardcore alien fan. I suspect people who fit this catergory would have thumbs downed the movie for the whole "messing up the alien mythos/lore backstory". I didnt mind it, I thought it was intriguing. Critics view it fresh because the movie takes some risks in not just rehashing the original Alien film or giving us mindless gore like a clichéd horror. I think in a few years it may be viewed more positively by the general public.
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Post by Seto on May 22, 2017 12:41:37 GMT
The movie is nothing but a hollow remake of the first Alien. Complete lack of tension, build up, suspense. Just gore for the sake of it. The characters are one note and forgettable, and plus we get more of that groansome religious subtext from Prometheus, but handled even less interestingly. Thats just my opinion, but I guess it's shared by a lot of others. Does that answer your question???
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Post by captainbryce on May 22, 2017 13:12:13 GMT
I liked it, and thought it was well executed...up until the ending (which I thought was predictable, and absolutely unnecessary). I actually think the ending ruined what would have otherwise been a good film for me. In particular...I thought that having Walter instantly and for no apparent reason switch allegiances after from Daniels to David (after fighting David to the death) seemed very contrived, assuming that's what happened. The film does leave something to the imagination as to what transpired between David and Walter, and it doesn't show the conclusion of their encounter. The alternative idea would be to assume that David (the inferior physical model on the verge of defeat) somehow overpowered Walter, and assumed his identity (damaged arm and all) in the few seconds he had to get back to the ship. Either version seems equally implausible to me. It was made even worse by the fact that it's totally predictable based on his w the scene/dialogue played out in the following scenes. It was obvious when they got back to the Covenant that it was David all along. And having it be David just to ensure an unnecessarily dark ending was also a huge misstep in my opinion. The story would have been better if everything had played out with the same way with Walter being victorious. That way the series could have continued with an identifiable, heroic protagonist while still having Michael Fassbender be the star. It would have also been a great nod to the second "Aliens" film, where the presumed "evil" android character from the first film (Ash) is now a heroic android character that we love "Bishop". I also had a problem with Daniels, who was otherwise the most intelligent, courageous, and resourceful human in the film, suddenly and inexplicably turning very stupid near the ending. It doesn't even occur to her (despite the obvious) to test "Walter" until she is completely helpless? I hate stupid characters! Especially when they are portrayed as admirable throughout the most of the film. Given all of that, I thought the ending was a missed opportunity. I also think that Ridley Scott forgot much of what made his original film a classic. And that's character development, and slow build up. This film like so many nowadays is rushing to get into the story as fast as possible that we don't even have time to get to know anyone, identify with them, or care about them. What made Alien (and the sequel Aliens) so good is that you have an emotional connection to the characters. And this is possible because the first 45 minutes of those films was spent entirely on getting to know them. And that is made even more astonishing when you consider that the characters from both of those films have little to no backstory at all. You know nothing about them as people, where they come from, why they do what the do, how long they've been doing it, or even what their first names are. Yet, you find out everything you need to know to care about them through the dialogue and watching their personal interactions with each other. You get none of that in this film. Prometheus tried to do it with the main character Shaw (and to a lesser extent Charlize Theron's character Vickers). But it failed in that the characters were either unlikable or stupid (and therefore unlikable). |
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Post by barkingbaphomet on May 22, 2017 13:45:43 GMT
66 against 6.9 isn't much of a discrepancy, even if the latter is "falling."
the Tomatometer number isn't really comparable to the other two.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 22, 2017 14:23:34 GMT
I don't get it, Covenant was great. Not perfect, but definitely better than Prometheus. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 22, 2017 14:44:36 GMT
As of right now, 72% of reviews are 'positive,' which when you actually read reviews, is a very broad term. It's essentially a pass/fail rating, so you're either saying it was absolutely terrible or watchable in the least. It's an incredibly low bar. Using this logic, a movie you'd rate a 5 out of 10 on IMDb is 'fresh' on Rotten Tomatoes. RT is the most misunderstood rating system by the general public and should not be used to judge a film's overall quality.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 23, 2017 21:49:07 GMT
SPOILERS IN THIS POST: I liked it, and thought it was well executed...up until the ending (which I thought was predictable, and absolutely unnecessary). I actually think the ending ruined what would have otherwise been a good film for me. In particular...I thought that having Walter instantly and for no apparent reason switch allegiances after from Daniels to David (after fighting David to the death) seemed very contrived, assuming that's what happened. The film does leave something to the imagination as to what transpired between David and Walter, and it doesn't show the conclusion of their encounter. The alternative idea would be to assume that David (the inferior physical model on the verge of defeat) somehow overpowered Walter, and assumed his identity (damaged arm and all) in the few seconds he had to get back to the ship. Either version seems equally implausible to me. SPOILER: As to your spoiler about David and Walter... Dude, what are you talking about? CLEARLY it was David who came out the winner, and left on the ship at the end. It wasn't Walter after switching sides. The last scene of the movie CLEARLY says so. Did you leave the theatre before the end? He cut off his own arm, scarred his own face, and disguised his accent to pass as Walter.
Why does that seem implausible? We saw David reaching for a knife. We must assume he got the knife and won the fight.
Also, that they chose to end the movie that way, instead of some other way, isn't a missed opportunity. It's an ending that is all the more chilling and gruesome knowing what's going to happen to all 2000 of those sleeping colonists. Its a terrifying and disturbing ending.
I'm dying for more!
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Post by captainbryce on May 24, 2017 2:20:14 GMT
SPOILERS IN THIS POST: I liked it, and thought it was well executed...up until the ending (which I thought was predictable, and absolutely unnecessary). I actually think the ending ruined what would have otherwise been a good film for me. In particular...I thought that having Walter instantly and for no apparent reason switch allegiances after from Daniels to David (after fighting David to the death) seemed very contrived, assuming that's what happened. The film does leave something to the imagination as to what transpired between David and Walter, and it doesn't show the conclusion of their encounter. The alternative idea would be to assume that David (the inferior physical model on the verge of defeat) somehow overpowered Walter, and assumed his identity (damaged arm and all) in the few seconds he had to get back to the ship. Either version seems equally implausible to me. SPOILER: As to your spoiler about David and Walter... Dude, what are you talking about? CLEARLY it was David who came out the winner, and left on the ship at the end. It wasn't Walter after switching sides. The last scene of the movie CLEARLY says so. Did you leave the theatre before the end? He cut off his own arm, scarred his own face, and disguised his accent to pass as Walter.
Why does that seem implausible? We saw David reaching for a knife. We must assume he got the knife and won the fight.
Also, that they chose to end the movie that way, instead of some other way, isn't a missed opportunity. It's an ending that is all the more chilling and gruesome knowing what's going to happen to all 2000 of those sleeping colonists. Its a terrifying and disturbing ending.
I'm dying for more!
No, didn't leave before the ending (obviously). And yes, as I stated the other possibility was that David won, which for aforementioned reasons is equally implausible. And we can agree to disagree about the ending, but it ruined the movie for me. There is a reason why Alien and Aliens are both "classics", and it's because they didn't do dumb things like that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 2:32:22 GMT
A few different reasons. It fucked with the canon and the alien lifecycle. A lot of the guys on AVP Galaxy were livid. That and David creates the Xeno. So many fans were married to the idea of the Xeno being a ancient species. Most people hated the mad scientist David creating the Xeno. I consider myself a HUGE Alien fan and I personally loved the idea, but my opinion is very unpopular. . Also, Prometheus fans where upset that it didn't continue Shaw's story and the Engineers alot of people where mad at her horrid fate and Alien fans were disappointed that it felt like the Xenomorph was just tacked on for fan service. I really enjoyed the movie and most critics liked it as well. IMDB's rating is BS. Look through the reviews, it's people just ripping the movie to shreds. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 24, 2017 2:33:52 GMT
Prometheus was way better. Covenant felt like filler, I walked out wondering where's the rest of it?
Not a bad film mind you, simply retreading familiar ground as a retreat from Prometheus' macro set up. David turning evil was terrible, he was my fav from Prometheus & they even ended that film on a hopeful David.
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Post by hi224 on May 24, 2017 13:38:49 GMT
Some movies can polarize one aspect of an audience.
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Post by ashverses on May 24, 2017 13:43:32 GMT
It was good, not great. I hate "twists" that are completely predictable that it isn't even a twist. It happened in Life, and was predictable. It happened in A:C, and it was predictable. For once, I want the twist to be no twist.
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Post by Nora on May 24, 2017 13:49:28 GMT
I dont get it either. How can it get such high ratings on RT? With so many flaws? The acting was good, yes, and the cinematography too, but the story and the character development (and the characters in the first place) were so bad..  I was expecting low sixties on RT for this |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 24, 2017 14:25:02 GMT
SPOILERS IN THIS POST: SPOILER: As to your spoiler about David and Walter... Dude, what are you talking about? CLEARLY it was David who came out the winner, and left on the ship at the end. It wasn't Walter after switching sides. The last scene of the movie CLEARLY says so. Did you leave the theatre before the end? He cut off his own arm, scarred his own face, and disguised his accent to pass as Walter.
Why does that seem implausible? We saw David reaching for a knife. We must assume he got the knife and won the fight.
Also, that they chose to end the movie that way, instead of some other way, isn't a missed opportunity. It's an ending that is all the more chilling and gruesome knowing what's going to happen to all 2000 of those sleeping colonists. Its a terrifying and disturbing ending.
I'm dying for more!
No, didn't leave before the ending (obviously). And yes, as I stated the other possibility was that David won, which for aforementioned reasons is equally implausible. And we can agree to disagree about the ending, but it ruined the movie for me. There is a reason why Alien and Aliens are both "classics", and it's because they didn't do dumb things like that. No offense was intended, my friend. I hope you enjoyed the movie on some level. Peace! |
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Post by tastytomatoes on May 24, 2017 15:27:31 GMT
Because the (now 71%) only indicates the percentage of critics who gave the movie a Fresh rating.. It's either FRESH or ROTTEN.
If you look at the critics rating its is 6.4 out of 10
Look at Imdb user rating it's 6.9 out of 10
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Post by NewtJorden on May 25, 2017 0:36:39 GMT
Covenant is great. But nowadays, unless a movie is from Marvel or directed by Christopher Nolan, people will hate on it.
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Post by Nora on May 25, 2017 6:12:59 GMT
Because the (now 71%) only indicates the percentage of critics who gave the movie a Fresh rating.. It's either FRESH or ROTTEN.
If you look at the critics rating its is 6.4 out of 10
Look at Imdb user rating it's 6.9 out of 10 good point |
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Post by medjay on May 25, 2017 12:18:05 GMT
Covenant is great. But nowadays, unless a movie is from Marvel or directed by Christopher Nolan, people will hate on it. I disagree, plenty of critics and bloggers champion other movies. |
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Post by kuatorises on May 25, 2017 13:30:07 GMT
A few different reasons. It fucked with the canon and the alien lifecycle. A lot of the guys on AVP Galaxy were livid. That and David creates the Xeno. So many fans were married to the idea of the Xeno being a ancient species. Most people hated the mad scientist David creating the Xeno. I consider myself a HUGE Alien fan and I personally loved the idea, but my opinion is very unpopular. . Also, Prometheus fans where upset that it didn't continue Shaw's story and the Engineers alot of people where mad at her horrid fate and Alien fans were disappointed that it felt like the Xenomorph was just tacked on for fan service. I really enjoyed the movie and most critics liked it as well. IMDB's rating is BS. Look through the reviews, it's people just ripping the movie to shreds. Prometheus did that. |
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I was expecting low sixties on RT for this
