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Post by novastar6 on Feb 2, 2022 13:53:30 GMT
Apparently all the kids who stayed there knew not to open things they weren't allowed to, the only possible exception would be the Arvizo brothers but given the DA had to plant Gavin's prints on the magazines, that in itself is highly doubtful. So he allowed them to see it. Whose side are you on? lol If memory serves, wasn't MJ sleeping in their beds at their houses before they came to Neverland and slept in his? Celebrity, millions of devoted fans, and a lot of money. Is that what MJ had that the weirdo down the street didn't?
He allowed them to see a closed suitcase? I'm not really seeing an issue there. Aside from the con artist family, nobody's ever said he showed them porn.
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Post by Jokers_Wilde on Feb 2, 2022 21:36:12 GMT
Bill Cosby of course. His conviction was overturned. And the other allegations against him go back decades and lack validity. Agreed. I was thinking...statute of limitations should have come into affect. These were allegations made 40+ years ago. Why all of a sudden is it a problem NOW? Joker's Wilde
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 7, 2022 19:36:19 GMT
Agreed. I was thinking...statute of limitations should have come into affect. These were allegations made 40+ years ago. Why all of a sudden is it a problem NOW? Joker's Wilde Exactly, make the charges when it happens or forget about it and move on.
Without hard evidence we have nothing. And you can't ruin a man's life over nothing. IMHO the default is innocence. I have no reason to believe Bill Cosby is not completely innocent of these charges. And the women have a financial motive to lie.
So all these people who 20 years after they murder someone, there's finally the evidence to link them and convict them, they should just get to go on their merry way because the charges weren't made WHEN it happened? Forget about it and move on, right?
Only somebody who's never been raped would call what it does to a person's whole life 'nothing'. The fact remains any cop who works rape cases will tell you 50 accusers is too many to all be false, and he had more than 50, and they didn't exactly get paid for putting him in prison, did they?
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 7, 2022 19:37:38 GMT
Side note, I'm glad to see some common sense is reigning here and OJ got a big fat ZERO in the polls.
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 7, 2022 21:44:15 GMT
So all these people who 20 years after they murder someone, there's finally the evidence to link them and convict them, they should just get to go on their merry way because the charges weren't made WHEN it happened? Forget about it and move on, right?
Only somebody who's never been raped would call what it does to a person's whole life 'nothing'. The fact remains any cop who works rape cases will tell you 50 accusers is too many to all be false, and he had more than 50, and they didn't exactly get paid for putting him in prison, did they?
Yeah, if you murder someone and there is evidence 20 years later then you can be convicted of murder. But where is the hard evidence to convict this man 20 years later? And most the allegations are not even rape, just physical harassment or assault. Where's the evidence and why weren't charges brought when it happened? 50 accusers and not one said anything? Sorry, I have no reason to believe any of this. I wasn't born yesterday.
The man is worth 400 million dollars. One makes an allegation and others jump on the gravy train.
Yes, some of the accusers got paid. One woman extorted over 3 million dollars. 
Without evidence, only hearsay, shame on you for condemning this man.
How did 'one woman extorted over 3 million dollars'? She told Cosby 'give me money or I'll lie about you raping me'? And was she arrested for extortion? Made to pay the money back?
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 7, 2022 21:54:16 GMT
How did 'one woman extorted over 3 million dollars'? She told Cosby 'give me money or I'll lie about you raping me'? And was she arrested for extortion? Made to pay the money back?
If my sister or a woman I loved had been raped, I don't care about money, I'd want him in prison. He paid her off.
I have no reason to believe she didn't lie. If he had raped her she would have taken him to court. Money was more important to her than justice. Yes, that's extortion when you bypass the legal system because the man is rich. If it happened, charge him with a crime.
And her name? She was arrested for extortion? She was made to pay the money back? And this all happened when?
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 7, 2022 23:33:52 GMT
And her name? She was arrested for extortion? She was made to pay the money back? And this all happened when?
Why would he pay her not to cause him a publicity nightmare which could ruin his career, and then try to get the money back? Don't be naive. Most extortion is never reported.
Look lady, there is no proof this man ever raped any woman. Where's the evidence?
You claim Michael Jackson is innocent and he paid extortion money as well. Welcome to the real world.
If he didn't report the extortion, where's the proof it happened? Extortion's a crime, it should've been reported as soon as it happened.
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 8, 2022 2:49:03 GMT
If he didn't report the extortion, where's the proof it happened? Extortion's a crime, it should've been reported as soon as it happened.
What she did is by definition extortion because she received money not to file charges against him. There was no crime. Where's evidence of a crime?
Extortion is a crime. If she threatened him to give her money for something he didn't do, he should've called the cops and reported it, he did nothing wrong, what possible reason would he have NOT to report it given he's the victim?
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 8, 2022 17:45:40 GMT
Extortion is a crime. If she threatened him to give her money for something he didn't do, he should've called the cops and reported it, he did nothing wrong, what possible reason would he have NOT to report it given he's the victim?
We're going in circles. Real victims want justice, not 3 million dollars. She's a gold digging extortionist.
The "harm" she threatened was charges which would ruin his career and livelihood and send him to prison. If she was truly raped why not call the cops? Why accept money?
Why did Michael Jackson pay off his victims?
He didn't. He settled an out of civil court lawsuit for negligence, which gave the Chandler family the go-ahead to proceed with pressing charges and taking it to a criminal court. But the dad decided nah, he got the $20M he originally asked for, that was good enough, cut and run.
Now again, the name of this gold digging extortionist? If there's no name, and he never reported the extortion, and she didn't go to jail for extortion, where is the extortion? WHO did he give $3M to?
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Post by msdemos on Feb 8, 2022 19:18:09 GMT
So........absolutely NO "love" for O.J. ?? And yet, The Juice Is STILL On The Loose !!Would LOVE to know how many of those people who literally were CHEERING the day O.J. was cleared of the murder charges at the conclusion of the first trial, today feel different about his guilt or innocence for the murders of his ex-wife and Ron Goldman......would it be, say, 5% of those who originally felt he was innocent, 2%.....50%......20%.......or none at all that ever changed their minds (likewise, any people that may have then thought he was guilty, but now don't think so) ??   SAVE FERRIS
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 8, 2022 23:34:10 GMT
So........absolutely NO "love" for O.J. ?? And yet, The Juice Is STILL On The Loose !!Would LOVE to know how many of those people who literally were CHEERING the day O.J. was cleared of the murder charges at the conclusion of the first trial, today feel different about his guilt or innocence in the murders of his ex-wife and Ron Goldman......would it be, say, 5% of those who originally felt he was innocent, 2%.....50%......20%.......or none at all that ever changed their minds (likewise, any people that may have then thought he was guilty, but now don't think so) ?? SAVE FERRIS
Like I said, common sense seem to be reigning in that department here.
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Post by stryker on Feb 11, 2022 22:22:22 GMT
Michael Jackson. People need to get past the 'he looks/sounds weird' bullshit and look at actual facts. For one thing he never wrote a book called 'IF I molested them, here's how I'd do it', for another, he never had any previous court transcripts where he ADMITTED to drugging kids and touching them. For another, he had 2 accusers alive, 10 years apart, and 2 dead (and all of them with 100% different stories), not 50, not 65 like Cosby, not 1400 like Jimmy Saville. Can't turn up a single accuser OR witness who didn't have a financial gain from saying 'he did it, he did it, I was there, I saw it, call the cops? Why would I do that when I can just keep working for him and leeching off him'? Not one iota of child porn, we're supposed to bisaelieve richest, most famous man in the world who can literally get ANYTHING he wants, can get LIVE boys to abuse, is so incapable of getting actual photographs because THAT is too risky and has to settle for legal art books, and oh can't afford Astroglide so has to use Vaseline as lube'. Bull to the shit. He was a pedophile who groomed kids and their parents before taking the kids into his bed where he performed sexual acts with them and had them perform sexual acts on him.
Just because he got the kids to fall in love with him, and they willingly "spread their cheeks while he ejaculated on my rectum", or just because their parents let Jackson buy them cars and pay for their houses, does not make it right or consensual.
Jackson even paid one of his victims and the boy's family 25 million dollars to drop the charges against him.
Michael Jackson was an adult, his victims were little boys. He was a pedophile hiding in plain site. And those fans of his who still cling to deluded illusions of his innocence need to learn how to separate the artist and the man. Michael Jackson the artist was a musical genius. Michael Jackson the man was a monster.
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Post by stryker on Feb 11, 2022 22:23:36 GMT
Nonsense. Few single women would have turned down a date with the 400 million dollar king of comedy. That's just far fetched.
And yes, I know rape is about power. So men without power and money will exert their dominance over women in the only way they can - by physical force.
Cosby already had the power he could use to coerce women into sex. He didn't need to drug and rape them to gain power. He already had it with his stature and in his wallet.
Sorry, no hard evidence, years after the alleged events, with 65 women and not one shred of evidence? Lalala.
Of the four men his innocence is not only most likely, his guilt has never been proven. Leave the old man alone.
Like Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby is as guilty as sin. He only got out of jail though a technicality. Well said.
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Post by JHA Durant on Feb 15, 2022 7:15:21 GMT
I don't think any of them are innocent.
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