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Post by msdemos on Jan 27, 2022 18:24:48 GMT
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 27, 2022 18:36:58 GMT
Michael Jackson. People need to get past the 'he looks/sounds weird' bullshit and look at actual facts. For one thing he never wrote a book called 'IF I molested them, here's how I'd do it', for another, he never had any previous court transcripts where he ADMITTED to drugging kids and touching them. For another, he had 2 accusers alive, 10 years apart, and 2 dead (and all of them with 100% different stories), not 50, not 65 like Cosby, not 1400 like Jimmy Saville. Can't turn up a single accuser OR witness who didn't have a financial gain from saying 'he did it, he did it, I was there, I saw it, call the cops? Why would I do that when I can just keep working for him and leeching off him'? Not one iota of child porn, we're supposed to believe richest, most famous man in the world who can literally get ANYTHING he wants, can get LIVE boys to abuse, is so incapable of getting actual photographs because THAT is too risky and has to settle for legal art books, and oh can't afford Astroglide so has to use Vaseline as lube'. Bull to the shit.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 27, 2022 20:52:51 GMT
Michael Jackson.
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Post by movielover on Jan 27, 2022 20:54:38 GMT
They’re all guilty.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Jan 28, 2022 13:10:56 GMT
Michael Jackson. People need to get past the 'he looks/sounds weird' bullshit and look at actual facts. For one thing he never wrote a book called 'IF I molested them, here's how I'd do it', for another, he never had any previous court transcripts where he ADMITTED to drugging kids and touching them. For another, he had 2 accusers alive, 10 years apart, and 2 dead (and all of them with 100% different stories), not 50, not 65 like Cosby, not 1400 like Jimmy Saville. Can't turn up a single accuser OR witness who didn't have a financial gain from saying 'he did it, he did it, I was there, I saw it, call the cops? Why would I do that when I can just keep working for him and leeching off him'? Not one iota of child porn, we're supposed to bisaelieve richest, most famous man in the world who can literally get ANYTHING he wants, can get LIVE boys to abuse, is so incapable of getting actual photographs because THAT is too risky and has to settle for legal art books, and oh can't afford Astroglide so has to use Vaseline as lube'. Bull to the shit. Michael Jackson was as guilty as sin. He was a pedophile who groomed kids and their parents before taking the kids into his bed where he performed sexual acts with them and had them perform sexual acts on him. Just because he got the kids to fall in love with him, and they willingly "spread their cheeks while he ejaculated on my rectum", or just because their parents let Jackson buy them cars and pay for their houses, does not make it right or consensual. Jackson even paid one of his victims and the boy's family 25 million dollars to drop the charges against him. Michael Jackson was an adult, his victims were little boys. He was a pedophile hiding in plain site. And those fans of his who still cling to deluded illusions of his innocence need to learn how to separate the artist and the man. Michael Jackson the artist was a musical genius. Michael Jackson the man was a monster.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Jan 28, 2022 13:15:04 GMT
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Post by jeffersoncody on Jan 28, 2022 13:20:14 GMT
The fact you and novastar are on exactly the same page here should give you pause for thought politicidal.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 28, 2022 13:40:11 GMT
Bill Cosby of course. His conviction was overturned. And the other allegations against him go back decades and lack validity.
Except to establish a pattern of prior bad acts. The cops who work in sex crimes will tell you 50 accusers is too much smoke for there to be no fire, and he had 65.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 28, 2022 18:27:58 GMT
Except to establish a pattern of prior bad acts. The cops who work in sex crimes will tell you 50 accusers is too much smoke for there to be no fire, and he had 65.
And someone with common sense will tell you that a rich and famous man like Bill Cosby never had problems getting dates with women. Why drug and rape them?
Cosby's net worth is 400 million. There's too much incentive for actresses and casual dates who knew him decades ago to invent stories in hopes of a lucrative pay back.
There's no hard evidence. The one trumped up charge was finally thrown out after the poor man spent years in prison.
Everything points to innocence from my perspective. And I never even liked the guy as a comedian. Too smarmy.
Any time you have to use the 'he can have any woman he wants, why would he NEED to rape?' card, you lose, because you don't get how rape works or how the rapist's mind works. It's about dominating, controlling, feeling powerful by making someone else powerless, which can be achieved BY drugging and raping women, something you DON'T get from a common bimbo who will LET you do whatever.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Jan 28, 2022 20:57:12 GMT
Any time you have to use the 'he can have any woman he wants, why would he NEED to rape?' card, you lose, because you don't get how rape works or how the rapist's mind works. It's about dominating, controlling, feeling powerful by making someone else powerless, which can be achieved BY drugging and raping women, something you DON'T get from a common bimbo who will LET you do whatever.
Nonsense. Few single women would have turned down a date with the 400 million dollar king of comedy. That's just far fetched.
And yes, I know rape is about power. So men without power and money will exert their dominance over women in the only way they can - by physical force.
Cosby already had the power he could use to coerce women into sex. He didn't need to drug and rape them to gain power. He already had it with his stature and in his wallet.
Sorry, no hard evidence, years after the alleged events, with 65 women and not one shred of evidence? Lalala.
Of the four men his innocence is not only most likely, his guilt has never been proven. Leave the old man alone.
Like Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby is as guilty as sin. He only got out of jail though a technicality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 21:10:01 GMT
Michael Jackson. People need to get past the 'he looks/sounds weird' bullshit and look at actual facts. For one thing he never wrote a book called 'IF I molested them, here's how I'd do it', for another, he never had any previous court transcripts where he ADMITTED to drugging kids and touching them. For another, he had 2 accusers alive, 10 years apart, and 2 dead (and all of them with 100% different stories), not 50, not 65 like Cosby, not 1400 like Jimmy Saville. Can't turn up a single accuser OR witness who didn't have a financial gain from saying 'he did it, he did it, I was there, I saw it, call the cops? Why would I do that when I can just keep working for him and leeching off him'? Not one iota of child porn, we're supposed to believe richest, most famous man in the world who can literally get ANYTHING he wants, can get LIVE boys to abuse, is so incapable of getting actual photographs because THAT is too risky and has to settle for legal art books, and oh can't afford Astroglide so has to use Vaseline as lube'. Bull to the shit. I agree with this.
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2022 21:57:03 GMT
Michael Jackson. People need to get past the 'he looks/sounds weird' bullshit and look at actual facts. For one thing he never wrote a book called 'IF I molested them, here's how I'd do it', for another, he never had any previous court transcripts where he ADMITTED to drugging kids and touching them. For another, he had 2 accusers alive, 10 years apart, and 2 dead (and all of them with 100% different stories), not 50, not 65 like Cosby, not 1400 like Jimmy Saville. Can't turn up a single accuser OR witness who didn't have a financial gain from saying 'he did it, he did it, I was there, I saw it, call the cops? Why would I do that when I can just keep working for him and leeching off him'? Not one iota of child porn, we're supposed to believe richest, most famous man in the world who can literally get ANYTHING he wants, can get LIVE boys to abuse, is so incapable of getting actual photographs because THAT is too risky and has to settle for legal art books, and oh can't afford Astroglide so has to use Vaseline as lube'. Bull to the shit. Would you be so forgiving if your own kids were having prepubescent sleepovers with that 35-year old weirdo who lives down the street?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 22:30:54 GMT
MJ was innocent
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 29, 2022 0:30:53 GMT
Michael Jackson. People need to get past the 'he looks/sounds weird' bullshit and look at actual facts. For one thing he never wrote a book called 'IF I molested them, here's how I'd do it', for another, he never had any previous court transcripts where he ADMITTED to drugging kids and touching them. For another, he had 2 accusers alive, 10 years apart, and 2 dead (and all of them with 100% different stories), not 50, not 65 like Cosby, not 1400 like Jimmy Saville. Can't turn up a single accuser OR witness who didn't have a financial gain from saying 'he did it, he did it, I was there, I saw it, call the cops? Why would I do that when I can just keep working for him and leeching off him'? Not one iota of child porn, we're supposed to believe richest, most famous man in the world who can literally get ANYTHING he wants, can get LIVE boys to abuse, is so incapable of getting actual photographs because THAT is too risky and has to settle for legal art books, and oh can't afford Astroglide so has to use Vaseline as lube'. Bull to the shit. Would you be so forgiving if your own kids were having prepubescent sleepovers with that 35-year old weirdo who lives down the street?
That's part of the problem, the arguments that have been circulating for 30 years to indicate guilt are only made up of half facts and a bunch of 'normal people don't do that, guilty!' Everybody believes Thomas Jefferson raped his black slave and got her pregnant, makes for a nice emotional story and a reason to hate a dead guy who can't defend himself. Problem is DNA proved that to be false, the father in question was a related male in the Jefferson bloodline but not old Tommy himself. People don't care, they still believe it, because that's the widely accepted version of events and truth can't budge past the first story everybody heard.
So what's the fact here? We've heard from countless people who were there that entire families stayed at Neverland, which they did both when Michael was there, and when he was gone. We've also heard how entire families would stay in his bedroom, his 2 story apartment sized bedroom, it stands to reason there's more than just a standard double bed for 4-10 people to pack into. Personally I never heard anyone give testimony their parents just packed them a bag, said 'have a good time', and catapulted them over the entrance gate. Especially nobody who wasn't looking for a multi-million dollar payday. Now hundreds of kids and their families visited Neverland every single month, so how is it possible only 4 of them ever dared speak out, and ALL of them wanted money for it? Also, ALL of their stories are 100% different from each other, and even contradict history? Pedophiles typically target kids who NOBODY will believe, nobody means including and especially their parents, they pick kids the parents will deny anything ever happened, not go on TV and say 'hello world, my son was raped by a man, feel sorry for us, we want money', or more commonly, try to castrate the bastard with their own bare hands. Out of all those kids who were there, if there actually were any victims, why wasn't there ever a single one who was willing to tell the world their story for free? And why can't anybody turn up any from before 1993? Oh people name a few names, people who never went public, who wouldn't show their face and tell the story, we officially get a third-hand account from someone who was never there, that's not very credible. And pedophiles don't just wake up one day at 35 and start abusing kids, they start as teens and in their 20s, nobody's ever come forward to say black Michael Jackson with an afro or jericurl molested them.
The accusations didn't start until a deadbeat dad wanted MJ to get him a $20M scriptwriting contract and didn't get it, and 2 years later magically got a $24M settlement on a civil suit for negligence. And people point to that as proof of guilt, a payoff. Not the case, CA law at the time wouldn't allow a criminal trial until there had first been a civil trial, so Chandler got that money, and his next step could've, would've and should've been to press criminal charges, that was his legal right. No, he got his money, they all cut and run. Why? That case was the ONLY one where there was actually a semi-shot in hell of a jury saying 'guilty', the 2004 trial was a huge farce, everybody knows it, but first accusation, why stop at the money? Why not go all the way to criminal court?
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Post by Admin on Jan 29, 2022 0:39:31 GMT
Would you be so forgiving if your own kids were having prepubescent sleepovers with that 35-year old weirdo who lives down the street? That's part of the problem, the arguments that have been circulating for 30 years to indicate guilt are only made up of half facts and a bunch of 'normal people don't do that, guilty!' Everybody believes Thomas Jefferson raped his black slave and got her pregnant, makes for a nice emotional story and a reason to hate a dead guy who can't defend himself. Problem is DNA proved that to be false, the father in question was a related male in the Jefferson bloodline but not old Tommy himself. People don't care, they still believe it, because that's the widely accepted version of events and truth can't budge past the first story everybody heard. So what's the fact here? We've heard from countless people who were there that entire families stayed at Neverland, which they did both when Michael was there, and when he was gone. We've also heard how entire families would stay in his bedroom, his 2 story apartment sized bedroom, it stands to reason there's more than just a standard double bed for 4-10 people to pack into. Personally I never heard anyone give testimony their parents just packed them a bag, said 'have a good time', and catapulted them over the entrance gate. Especially nobody who wasn't looking for a multi-million dollar payday. Now hundreds of kids and their families visited Neverland every single month, so how is it possible only 4 of them ever dared speak out, and ALL of them wanted money for it? Also, ALL of their stories are 100% different from each other, and even contradict history? Pedophiles typically target kids who NOBODY will believe, nobody means including and especially their parents, they pick kids the parents will deny anything ever happened, not go on TV and say 'hello world, my son was raped by a man, feel sorry for us, we want money', or more commonly, try to castrate the bastard with their own bare hands. Out of all those kids who were there, if there actually were any victims, why wasn't there ever a single one who was willing to tell the world their story for free? And why can't anybody turn up any from before 1993? Oh people name a few names, people who never went public, who wouldn't show their face and tell the story, we officially get a third-hand account from someone who was never there, that's not very credible. And pedophiles don't just wake up one day at 35 and start abusing kids, they start as teens and in their 20s, nobody's ever come forward to say black Michael Jackson with an afro or jericurl molested them.
The accusations didn't start until a deadbeat dad wanted MJ to get him a $20M scriptwriting contract and didn't get it, and 2 years later magically got a $24M settlement on a civil suit for negligence. And people point to that as proof of guilt, a payoff. Not the case, CA law at the time wouldn't allow a criminal trial until there had first been a civil trial, so Chandler got that money, and his next step could've, would've and should've been to press criminal charges, that was his legal right. No, he got his money, they all cut and run. Why? That case was the ONLY one where there was actually a semi-shot in hell of a jury saying 'guilty', the 2004 trial was a huge farce, everybody knows it, but first accusation, why stop at the money? Why not go all the way to criminal court?
I don't believe he was having sex with them, but anyone who thinks that a 35-year old man having sleepovers with young children isn't inappropriate needs to reevaluate that assessment.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 29, 2022 0:44:54 GMT
Like Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby is as guilty as sin. He only got out of jail though a technicality.Sorry, I'm still not buying. 65 women and not one of them uttered a word until Gloria Allred appeared?
Of course, you and I were not there. Perhaps it happened. But based on logic and the lack of any physical evidence presented by any of these women over the past 50 years, I'd say Cosby is most likely innocent. Again, there is too much incentive for them to lie.
If you say it happened at the time, lets investigate. But wait for years in these days where women are educated on the issue of rape?
Now Jackson, yeah, the evidence against him is insurmountable. Cosby? Nah, I'm not buying it.
I never paid attention to the names but at least one of them WAS vocal about it for YEARS, I remember on the original IMDb boards people were talking about the first woman to accuse him and they were still talking about it in the early 00s, at the time nothing ever came of it because she was one woman and he was Mr. Jello/Sweater Dad, but apparently she was consistent through the years in saying he did it, people there discussed it, don't remember if people believed it but they DID talk about it. But in a pre-social media world, her word didn't get worldwide attention, and in a pre-social media world, these women had no way of finding one another or knowing how many of them there were.
And what physical evidence would be presented? When did rape kits actually become a thing? And then there's the pesky fact one can only conclude if injuries were sustained, bruising, tearing, etc., which defense lawyers then say 'the bitch liked it rough'. Or if you're a guy who was raped, they use that as proof that you're a homo.
Now maybe this doesn't have anything to do with it but what was the racial makeup of the 65 accusers? Do you remember?
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 29, 2022 0:49:08 GMT
That's part of the problem, the arguments that have been circulating for 30 years to indicate guilt are only made up of half facts and a bunch of 'normal people don't do that, guilty!' Everybody believes Thomas Jefferson raped his black slave and got her pregnant, makes for a nice emotional story and a reason to hate a dead guy who can't defend himself. Problem is DNA proved that to be false, the father in question was a related male in the Jefferson bloodline but not old Tommy himself. People don't care, they still believe it, because that's the widely accepted version of events and truth can't budge past the first story everybody heard. So what's the fact here? We've heard from countless people who were there that entire families stayed at Neverland, which they did both when Michael was there, and when he was gone. We've also heard how entire families would stay in his bedroom, his 2 story apartment sized bedroom, it stands to reason there's more than just a standard double bed for 4-10 people to pack into. Personally I never heard anyone give testimony their parents just packed them a bag, said 'have a good time', and catapulted them over the entrance gate. Especially nobody who wasn't looking for a multi-million dollar payday. Now hundreds of kids and their families visited Neverland every single month, so how is it possible only 4 of them ever dared speak out, and ALL of them wanted money for it? Also, ALL of their stories are 100% different from each other, and even contradict history? Pedophiles typically target kids who NOBODY will believe, nobody means including and especially their parents, they pick kids the parents will deny anything ever happened, not go on TV and say 'hello world, my son was raped by a man, feel sorry for us, we want money', or more commonly, try to castrate the bastard with their own bare hands. Out of all those kids who were there, if there actually were any victims, why wasn't there ever a single one who was willing to tell the world their story for free? And why can't anybody turn up any from before 1993? Oh people name a few names, people who never went public, who wouldn't show their face and tell the story, we officially get a third-hand account from someone who was never there, that's not very credible. And pedophiles don't just wake up one day at 35 and start abusing kids, they start as teens and in their 20s, nobody's ever come forward to say black Michael Jackson with an afro or jericurl molested them.
The accusations didn't start until a deadbeat dad wanted MJ to get him a $20M scriptwriting contract and didn't get it, and 2 years later magically got a $24M settlement on a civil suit for negligence. And people point to that as proof of guilt, a payoff. Not the case, CA law at the time wouldn't allow a criminal trial until there had first been a civil trial, so Chandler got that money, and his next step could've, would've and should've been to press criminal charges, that was his legal right. No, he got his money, they all cut and run. Why? That case was the ONLY one where there was actually a semi-shot in hell of a jury saying 'guilty', the 2004 trial was a huge farce, everybody knows it, but first accusation, why stop at the money? Why not go all the way to criminal court?
I don't believe he was having sex with them, but anyone who thinks that a 35-year old man having sleepovers with young children isn't inappropriate needs to reevaluate that assessment.
Take away 'that's not normal, nobody else does that'. What makes it inappropriate for someone to invite whole families to be his guest and stay in his home and yeah even stay the night in his 2 story apartment sized bedroom? Would it be so unsettling if it was a 35 year old woman? I've been asking these questions for a lot of years and at this one, a lot of people suddenly go 'That's okay, women have MATERNAL instincts'. Oh gee, men aren't ever paternal, are they? And women pedophiles are a thing, it's a very real thing people refuse to see, most of them are never caught or punished just like female rapists in general, but a lot of people have made it clear a woman having sleepovers with young kids would be okay in their eyes, no red flags whatsoever.
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Post by Admin on Jan 29, 2022 1:32:04 GMT
I don't believe he was having sex with them, but anyone who thinks that a 35-year old man having sleepovers with young children isn't inappropriate needs to reevaluate that assessment. Take away 'that's not normal, nobody else does that'. What makes it inappropriate for someone to invite whole families to be his guest and stay in his home and yeah even stay the night in his 2 story apartment sized bedroom? Would it be so unsettling if it was a 35 year old woman? I've been asking these questions for a lot of years and at this one, a lot of people suddenly go 'That's okay, women have MATERNAL instincts'. Oh gee, men aren't ever paternal, are they? And women pedophiles are a thing, it's a very real thing people refuse to see, most of them are never caught or punished just like female rapists in general, but a lot of people have made it clear a woman having sleepovers with young kids would be okay in their eyes, no red flags whatsoever.
Doesn't seem fair, does it? When a young girl is raped by an older man, she's the victim of a horrible crime. But when a young boy is raped by an older woman, he puts a notch on his belt and high-fives his friends. I don't know why that is, but I'd bet it has something to do with snakes, snails, puppy dog tails, sugar, spice, and everything nice.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 29, 2022 1:43:18 GMT
I second this. As for Michael Jackson, I remember hearing an interview with comedian Doug Benson about being in the Captain EO video as a background dancer. (From what I remember, he wasn't actually a dancer but pretty much bluffed his way into it.) He was talking about how, between takes, Michael would go off and sit in a corner with a little boy on his lap, and they'd be whispering to each other and giggling. Doug said he would look around and be amazed that nobody seems troubled by this.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 29, 2022 6:08:37 GMT
Take away 'that's not normal, nobody else does that'. What makes it inappropriate for someone to invite whole families to be his guest and stay in his home and yeah even stay the night in his 2 story apartment sized bedroom? Would it be so unsettling if it was a 35 year old woman? I've been asking these questions for a lot of years and at this one, a lot of people suddenly go 'That's okay, women have MATERNAL instincts'. Oh gee, men aren't ever paternal, are they? And women pedophiles are a thing, it's a very real thing people refuse to see, most of them are never caught or punished just like female rapists in general, but a lot of people have made it clear a woman having sleepovers with young kids would be okay in their eyes, no red flags whatsoever.
Doesn't seem fair, does it? When a young girl is raped by an older man, she's the victim of a horrible crime. But when a young boy is raped by an older woman, he puts a notch on his belt and high-fives his friends. I don't know why that is, but I'd bet it has something to do with snakes, snails, puppy dog tails, sugar, spice, and everything nice.
And if a young girl is molested by a woman? What's that? But a boy being molested by an older man, that's unspeakable, and strangely that's become the first and foremost image of pedophiles, for some reason society thinks they tend to leave little girls alone. As to the boy being considered lucky if a woman sleeps with him, nobody stops to ponder what if he's gay?
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