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Post by hardball on Aug 2, 2017 3:14:21 GMT
Audrey finally showed up. It wasn't what I was expecting, but then I didn't expect a mostly brain dead Coop either. Yes finally! WTF was that thing she was talking to sitting in that chair. A full sized head on top of a midgets body? From their conversations about the "contract", it seems more like an arranged marriage than anything else. There's also a theory that Audrey is still in a coma and that this is just a dream. Another is that her "husband" is actually her psychiatrist and that this is role playing, kind of like in the movie Shutter Island. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 3:17:25 GMT
^ That may be true, but I'm confused by the Billy references then because there is a real Billy who is missing. See the clip I posted a few pages ago relating to the diner.
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Post by hardball on Aug 2, 2017 5:36:09 GMT
^Good point about Billy there. I also find it hard to believe that if Audrey is still in a coma, why Ben didn't mention this to sheriff Truman. He just said that Richard grew up without a father. It is odd he didn't mention Audrey given what he just learned about his grandson. Unless Audrey isn't Richard's mom, or something happened and she was not able to raise him.
But still, why say "without a father?" and not "without parents?" if Audrey was unable to raise him somehow?
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Post by hardball on Aug 2, 2017 5:38:24 GMT
Part 18 is titled "What is your name". Could it be that Cooper does not wake until the final episode?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 10:36:10 GMT
Part 18 is titled "What is your name". Could it be that Cooper does not wake until the final episode?  |
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Post by mysterioman007 on Aug 2, 2017 18:54:55 GMT
I guess that would be better than still being trapped in the Black Lodge like he was before the series began...
But, that could also refer to Evil Cooper as well.
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Post by hardball on Aug 3, 2017 0:04:04 GMT
Never in a million years did I imagine that Coop would come back brain dead and Audrey married to a midget. But for all my misgivings about the show - there are more than a few - I'm still sad that it is coming to an end.
With ratings so low, chances of a season 4 are dim. And that really sucks because I feel some questions will remain unanswered by the final episode.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Aug 3, 2017 1:00:18 GMT
I seem to notice the FB comment section is getting more negative. I guess the fanboys are starting to feel alienated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 2:44:15 GMT
Never in a million years did I imagine that Coop would come back brain dead and Audrey married to a midget. But for all my misgivings about the show - there are more than a few - I'm still sad that it is coming to an end. Yeah, it seems to keep subverting expectation. The brothers who run the Casino were being illustrated to being extremely violent until we saw the other side of them. We see instances of characters but these are then reframed from different points of view What's interesting about Coop is that at times he appears to be functioning better. We interpret how he should be and what will restore him. IE: maybe he just needs coffee, or some cherry pie but he never really comes back but the old habits and interests are still there. Even when he fought Ike, I think he was under some form of hypnosis from Mike and his Arm from the "don't die scene". The current hope is his fingerprints will turn up and Gordon + Albert will rescue him. But I'm still not sure that will help either. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 12:00:38 GMT
Never in a million years did I imagine that Coop would come back brain dead and Audrey married to a midget. But for all my misgivings about the show - there are more than a few - I'm still sad that it is coming to an end. Yeah, it seems to keep subverting expectation. The brothers who run the Casino were being illustrated to being extremely violent until we saw the other side of them. We see instances of characters but these are then reframed from different points of view What's interesting about Coop is that at times he appears to be functioning better. We interpret how he should be and what will restore him. IE: maybe he just needs coffee, or some cherry pie but he never really comes back but the old habits and interests are still there. Even when he fought Ike, I think he was under some form of hypnosis from Mike and his Arm from the "don't die scene". The current hope is his fingerprints will turn up and Gordon + Albert will rescue him. But I'm still not sure that will help either. I think he will return to normal as soon as Bad Coop is gone. He's still asleep, the one-armed man pleaded for him to wake up, but I'm thinking he's unable to, as Bad Coop is still around.
Everyone will most likely come together in episode 17/18, I do believe it is going to be Gordon Cole/Albert who are going to find Cooper, they have the wedding ring, and those fingerprints are going to turn up soon.
Audrey was weird, not the contract she has with her 'husband', but the way she behaved was very erratic, very dumb, quite unlike how she was when she was young. Her coma will not have helped, but no idea what exactly happened and it is very unlikely we'll be told. Frost has to keep us wanting for his new book, after all.
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Post by hardball on Aug 3, 2017 13:14:23 GMT
I am still trying to figure out how things will end with Bad Coop. Somehow I feel that there won't be any major confrontation where Cooper wakes up and kills Bad Coop. I think it will be more like a union.
We all have our dark sides, and one cannot exist without the other. So when Cooper wakes up ( I think Laura will play a part), he will be become one with Bad Coop. How this union will happen I don't know. But this union, oneness, unity of the opposites, is a concept very much in line with transcendental meditation which DL advocates.
I don't know what the hell will happen to Audrey. The worst thing for me is that she may not matter in the long run and that her story will be insignificant. This is unfortunate because she was already sidetracked in season 2 due to Lara Flynn Boyle. I hope it doesn't happen again and something substantial actually happens with her.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Aug 3, 2017 15:53:18 GMT
Do any of you think the 3rd season's as good as the 2nd?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:55:54 GMT
I am still trying to figure out how things will end with Bad Coop. Somehow I feel that there won't be any major confrontation where Cooper wakes up and kills Bad Coop. I think it will be more like a union. We all have our dark sides, and one cannot exist without the other. So when Cooper wakes up ( I think Laura will play a part), he will be become one with Bad Coop. How this union will happen I don't know. But this union, oneness, unity of the opposites, is a concept very much in line with transcendental meditation which DL advocates. I believe something similar. Dougie is very much the passive receiver removed of agency and at times overcome with empathy when he cries seeing his son go to school. Whereas DoppleCoop is assertive and active. He plans ahead and acts detached from his emotions. Neither are ideal models on a way to exist, so yes I can accept the idea they become one. This is also consistent with what we saw in the Leland/Bob union in FWWM where it was implied Leland was complicit in Bob's crimes. It might be considered a cop-out if the doppleganger is completely removed from Cooper. There is also the fan theory about DoppleCoop and Audrey which imply it has some of Cooper's memories and feelings embodied within it, albeit disturbed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:28:29 GMT
Do any of you think the 3rd season's as good as the 2nd?
Not so far, not even close. But there are still episodes left, so perhaps it all comes together in the end and overall it might be better or as good as season 2.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:39:01 GMT
I am still trying to figure out how things will end with Bad Coop. Somehow I feel that there won't be any major confrontation where Cooper wakes up and kills Bad Coop. I think it will be more like a union. We all have our dark sides, and one cannot exist without the other. So when Cooper wakes up ( I think Laura will play a part), he will be become one with Bad Coop. How this union will happen I don't know. But this union, oneness, unity of the opposites, is a concept very much in line with transcendental meditation which DL advocates. I believe something similar. Dougie is very much the passive receiver removed of agency and at times overcome with empathy when he cries seeing his son go to school. Whereas DoppleCoop is assertive and active. He plans ahead and acts detached from his emotions. Neither are ideal models on a way to exist, so yes I can accept the idea they become one. This is also consistent with what we saw in the Leland/Bob union in FWWM where it was implied Leland was complicit in Bob's crimes. It might be considered a cop-out if the doppleganger is completely removed from Cooper. There is also the fan theory about DoppleCoop and Audrey which imply it has some of Cooper's memories and feelings embodied within it, albeit disturbed.
My guess would be that both will go back inside the Lodge and they'll fight it out there. There is still the matter of who is going to finally gain control, and good Coop lost the last time.
The story is aiming for a showdown in Twin Peaks, all parties are slowly heading towards one specific location in Twin Peaks itself. And we see Hawk wandering the forest in the first episode, this could be from the final episode, time isn't quite linear in this show. Definitely not chronological.
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Post by hardball on Aug 4, 2017 15:18:40 GMT
The teaser shows Coop driving at night, so he will return (unless that's EviCoop in disguise). But man, what if Cooper wakes up, realizes what's going on and goes to Twin Peaks to confront EvilCoop, and then season 3 ends on another cliffhanger lol.
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Post by hardball on Aug 4, 2017 15:21:01 GMT
The story is aiming for a showdown in Twin Peaks, all parties are slowly heading towards one specific location in Twin Peaks itself. And we see Hawk wandering the forest in the first episode, this could be from the final episode, time isn't quite linear in this show. Definitely not chronological.
Agree with the non chronological, non linear narrative. There's also a theory that what happened in the first two eps actually occurs in the future when Cooper wakes up. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 16:26:58 GMT
The story is aiming for a showdown in Twin Peaks, all parties are slowly heading towards one specific location in Twin Peaks itself. And we see Hawk wandering the forest in the first episode, this could be from the final episode, time isn't quite linear in this show. Definitely not chronological.
Agree with the non chronological, non linear narrative. There's also a theory that what happened in the first two eps actually occurs in the future when Cooper wakes up.
That would be hard. Several elements of it does affect the rest of the story and is clearly before the ending. Although there is a possibility that some aspects are perhaps future events. That when Cooper is trying to get out and is sent to that other realm by the doppelganger of the left arm of Mike, that he splits up mentally. Only a husk is woken up instead of Dougey and that his spirit is still in that other realm.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Aug 6, 2017 16:23:43 GMT
taken from a FB comment;
Prediction: David Lynch is in over 50% of the episode, the Sheriff's Department talks about mysterious things mysteriously, we take a 3 minute trip to Nevada and South Dakota, Dougie repeats the last words of every sentence, classic character appears and does nothing, show ends with characters we've never seen before talking about nothing, credits roll to weird song. "18 hour movie"
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Post by mysterioman007 on Aug 7, 2017 4:02:29 GMT
I'm close to just giving up here. If it wasn't so close to the end, I probably would. However, I have a new love for Naomi Watts. I've always found her bland in her roles outside of Mullholland Drive, but she's killing it on this show.
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