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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 25, 2022 14:32:09 GMT
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 25, 2022 16:51:16 GMT
I wasn't expecting this post.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 25, 2022 16:57:14 GMT
The page seemed to imply that Portugal only started to round up Jews that had fled Spain after the Iberian Union in 1580, but Jews were already being prosecuted under Portuguese King D. Manuel I and there was edict of expulsion in 1496 and the Portuguese Inquisition was created in 1536. There was an infamous massacre of Jews in Lisbon in 1506: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_massacre
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 26, 2022 1:10:02 GMT
The page seemed to imply that Portugal only started to round up Jews that had fled Spain after the Iberian Union in 1580, but Jews were already being prosecuted under Portuguese King D. Manuel I and there was edict of expulsion in 1496 and the Portuguese Inquisition was created in 1536. There was an infamous massacre of Jews in Lisbon in 1506: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_massacreThis I was able to copy/paste: I was not aware of that particular massacre; in my Italian Rennaissance art history class in college, we did see a lot of artwork depicting this kind of bad behavior. That was part of my questioning of the Christian religion that I had grown up with. They didn't tell you stuff like that in Sunday School. Drawing and quartering was another surprise. I simply could no longer believe in an all-caring god that would allow this to happen in his name.
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Post by Captain Josephus Sparrow on May 18, 2022 3:55:31 GMT
From what I know, the Inquisition may as well have been like the Salem witch trials
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Post by politicidal on May 19, 2022 16:28:46 GMT
From what I know, the Inquisition may as well have been like the Salem witch trials You're not wrong.
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Post by Admin on May 19, 2022 16:42:05 GMT
I’m guessing he would have told them to knock it the fuck off.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 19, 2022 18:28:40 GMT
I’m guessing he would have told them to knock it the fuck off. OT, why am I having trouble logging in? I have been jumping through hoops for about an hour now. Finally I got in with my email address. WTF?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 19, 2022 19:07:41 GMT
From what I know, the Inquisition may as well have been like the Salem witch trials You're not wrong. Technically, no he isn't wrong, but the Inquisition was a vast event over decades, with lots of gore and blood, and the witch trials were a smaller group, and if memory serves, no blood was spilled - hanging or drowning seemed to be the preferred method. All of which were based on superstition and disagreement over whose invisible friend was the correct one. Humans killing other humans because they didn't agree with the religion in power at the time. Fear of the 'other'; tribalism. One might think we would have evolved beyond this by now.
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Post by drystyx on May 20, 2022 1:08:28 GMT
From what I know, the Inquisition may as well have been like the Salem witch trials Some similarity, but the Inquisition never had any pretense about doing good. It was always about keeping power. There were some good intentions from some people who wanted to stop witchcraft, but by its very nature, witchcraft is nearly impossible to identify, and is impossible to identify by .using the rules of "flesh". The spiritual defense against witches and warlocks has always been "discreditation". It takes a village to ignore a witch in the way that keeps the witchcraft from having power. The Inquisition never made any bones about the intention of doing evil. Just about every cardinal was a "witch" in reality. The church became an estate a few centuries after the Nicene Council, culminating in becoming a mob for Satan with the "papacy of women" mostly in the early tenth century with Pope John XII actually drinking toasts to the Devil. Formosus was probably the most moderate of the popes in that era, and he was murdered in order to keep the papacy a mob of witches and warlocks. So, there's no way to really conduct a witch trial, because the witches are doling out the verdicts. The difference is very slight, yes, just in the way the cardinals and the pope would explain their motivations. They tried to act like good guys in witch trials, which fooled a few people, but they didn't even bother pretending to be good in the Inquisition, which fooled no one, and was purely meant as a threat to anyone who dared even blink while a cardinal spoke.
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Post by Sarge on May 20, 2022 19:21:58 GMT
Technically, no he isn't wrong, but the Inquisition was a vast event over decades, with lots of gore and blood, and the witch trials were a smaller group, and if memory serves, no blood was spilled - hanging or drowning seemed to be the preferred method. All of which were based on superstition and disagreement over whose invisible friend was the correct one. Humans killing other humans because they didn't agree with the religion in power at the time. Fear of the 'other'; tribalism. One might think we would have evolved beyond this by now. It's our evolution that allows this to happen. Humans aren't very violent compared to most animals but we are still animals and evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it. Hysteria is culture or individuals hacking our instincts to belong. It's all the same thing: religion, politics, war, crusades, witch hunts, tribalism, corporatism.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 20, 2022 19:35:49 GMT
Technically, no he isn't wrong, but the Inquisition was a vast event over decades, with lots of gore and blood, and the witch trials were a smaller group, and if memory serves, no blood was spilled - hanging or drowning seemed to be the preferred method. All of which were based on superstition and disagreement over whose invisible friend was the correct one. Humans killing other humans because they didn't agree with the religion in power at the time. Fear of the 'other'; tribalism. One might think we would have evolved beyond this by now. It's our evolution that allows this to happen. Humans aren't very violent compared to most animals but we are still animals and evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it. Hysteria is culture or individuals hacking our instincts to belong. It's all the same thing: religion, politics, war, crusades, witch hunts, tribalism, corporatism. Yes, you are right, we are still bound by the evolutionary instinct to belong. Perhaps I should have said, "One might think HOPE we would have evolved beyond this by now." But, it is what it is.
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Post by Sarge on May 21, 2022 2:14:22 GMT
It's our evolution that allows this to happen. Humans aren't very violent compared to most animals but we are still animals and evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it. Hysteria is culture or individuals hacking our instincts to belong. It's all the same thing: religion, politics, war, crusades, witch hunts, tribalism, corporatism. Yes, you are right, we are still bound by the evolutionary instinct to belong. Perhaps I should have said, "One might think HOPE we would have evolved beyond this by now." But, it is what it is. According to one of the researchers that worked with Jane Goodall, male chimps form hunting parties of 8 individuals that search for loner males outside their troop. If they find one, 4 chimps hold his limbs while the other 4 rip off his testicles and penis, then pull him to pieces. Even today there is strength in numbers and violence is the ultimate authority.
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Post by Isapop on May 21, 2022 13:20:16 GMT
According to one of the researchers that worked with Jane Goodall, male chimps form hunting parties of 8 individuals that search for loner males outside their troop. If they find one, 4 chimps hold his limbs while the other 4 rip off his testicles and penis, then pull him to pieces. Even today there is strength in numbers and violence is the ultimate authority. George was sure lucky the man with the yellow hat showed up in time.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 21, 2022 17:33:39 GMT
Yes, you are right, we are still bound by the evolutionary instinct to belong. Perhaps I should have said, "One might think HOPE we would have evolved beyond this by now." But, it is what it is. According to one of the researchers that worked with Jane Goodall, male chimps form hunting parties of 8 individuals that search for loner males outside their troop. If they find one, 4 chimps hold his limbs while the other 4 rip off his testicles and penis, then pull him to pieces. Even today there is strength in numbers and violence is the ultimate authority. How disturbing... I guess we are doomed by evolution itself. "Nature, red of tooth and claw..." Alfred Lord Tennyson‘s poem In Memoriam
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Post by Admin on May 22, 2022 19:59:46 GMT
Humans aren't very violent compared to most animals but we are still animals and evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it. How did we survive before we learned how to survive? Things exist before they can evolve, and I suspect strength in numbers is no exception.
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Post by Sarge on May 22, 2022 23:29:57 GMT
Humans aren't very violent compared to most animals but we are still animals and evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it. How did we survive before we learned how to survive? Things exist before they can evolve, and I suspect strength in numbers is no exception. We? Sapiens, hominids, mammals, prokaryotes? Evolution is a fundamental property of the universe, IMO, and I believe it will be the scientific consensus within decades. Evolution has been primarily a biological process but other disciplines are starting to describe the current universe as having evolved.
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Post by Admin on May 22, 2022 23:37:43 GMT
How did we survive before we learned how to survive? Things exist before they can evolve, and I suspect strength in numbers is no exception. We? Sapiens, hominids, mammals, prokaryotes? Evolution is a fundamental property of the universe, IMO, and I believe it will be the scientific consensus within decades. Evolution has been primarily a biological process but other disciplines are starting to describe the current universe as having evolved. It's the same "we" as the "we" in your statement, and I'm not arguing against evolution. You said evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it, thus my question to you.
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Post by Sarge on May 23, 2022 0:05:36 GMT
We? Sapiens, hominids, mammals, prokaryotes? Evolution is a fundamental property of the universe, IMO, and I believe it will be the scientific consensus within decades. Evolution has been primarily a biological process but other disciplines are starting to describe the current universe as having evolved. It's the same "we" as the "we" in your statement, and I'm not arguing against evolution. You said evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it, thus my question to you. We learned to survive from our parents and troop/tribe, a process that goes back millions of years and varies according to the environment. Survival goes back to the point when there was only one environment and one kind of thing, then that environment changed and some died. The survivors reproduced and were more fit for the new environment. The process repeated and life became more complex to deal with new environments and challenges. New variations of the thing happened, some died, some didn't. At some point a unicellular thing ate another unicellular thing but didn't digest it and instead they helped each other, even began reproducing together. And things were getting crowded, resources were running short, and the environment was always changing, so some things found out they could survive in new environments and evolved to be ideal for those environments. It keeps going until things had flippers, then arms and legs, then race cars.
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Post by Admin on May 23, 2022 0:24:38 GMT
It's the same "we" as the "we" in your statement, and I'm not arguing against evolution. You said evolution taught it's safer in the group than outside it, thus my question to you. We learned to survive from our parents and troop/tribe, a process that goes back millions of years and varies according to the environment. Survival goes back to the point when there was only one environment and one kind of thing, then that environment changed and some died. The survivors reproduced and were more fit for the new environment. The process repeated and life became more complex to deal with new environments and challenges. New variations of the thing happened, some died, some didn't. At some point a unicellular thing ate another unicellular thing but didn't digest it and instead they helped each other, even began reproducing together. And things were getting crowded, resources were running short, and the environment was always changing, so some things found out they could survive in new environments and evolved to be ideal for those environments. It keeps going until things had flippers, then arms and legs, then race cars. We must be really slow learners. lol
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