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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 17, 2022 12:50:07 GMT
Another thing that makes zero sense - Reva is so devastated and angry about losing her friends in the Jedi order, but she’s perfectly fine hunting and killing them as an Inquisitor?
I get that it would help cover her as a sleeper agent, but it makes her a hypocrite and her motivation automatically falls apart.
The writers had some cool ideas, but executed them all horribly. And like someone pointed out above, the main threats from this main bad guy have been pointed at: Obi-Wan, Leia, Vader, and Luke.
All four of which are characters that we know will live. The stakes could not be lower.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 17, 2022 14:13:39 GMT
Tala is a slapper. In episode 4 she slapped a storm trooper down and she did it again in episode 5! It was right before her demise. It was more of a one-handed face push the second time. But these stormtroopers are weak as piss. You can slap their helmets to hurt them. Good armour though as it withstands lightsabers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 17:23:38 GMT
Am I wrong in saying that the general reaction to this series is overwhelmingly negative? I thought it was a pretty safe assumption. But I got a ton of (aggressive/hysterical) pushback on that statement on another site. I suppose the RT critics scores are still high, but those were basically set based on the first episode. The audience score is plummeting though. And all I see is disappointment from most fans.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 17, 2022 17:57:38 GMT
I did like the flashbacks to young Obi-Wan and midlife crisis Anakin (idk what was going on with the de-aging there). I thought a saber training session is a scene that was always missing between them in the prequels. Vader owning Reva, at first without even pulling out his blade, was also pretty sweet.
Once again, Vader fucks the wookie while the good guys get away. The first time I was okay with it because I assumed he wanted to chase Obi-Wan some more for fun, but this time it's like "you already used the force to pull the ship down...why don't you just, like, do it again?" He also forgot he had that power at the end of Rogue One.
RIP Vasquez...I mean Tala.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 17, 2022 18:27:34 GMT
Am I wrong in saying that the general reaction to this series is overwhelmingly negative? I thought it was a pretty safe assumption. But I got a ton of (aggressive/hysterical) pushback on that statement on another site. I suppose the RT critics scores are still high, but those were basically set based on the first episode. The audience score is plummeting though. And all I see is disappointment from most fans. At the very least it's mixed. From what I've seen the more casual fans are enjoying it while the more diehard fans either hate it or think it's okay.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 17, 2022 22:07:17 GMT
Tala is a slapper. In episode 4 she slapped a storm trooper down and she did it again in episode 5! It was right before her demise. It was more of a one-handed face push the second time. But these stormtroopers are weak as piss. You can slap their helmets to hurt them. Good armour though as it withstands lightsabers.If this series has accomplished one thing it’s that it’s officially ruined the status or credibility of stormtrooper armor. In the OT the stormtrooper armor was mostly outward show with little true functionality or protection. That’s why you would see Han Solo routinely dropping them with one shot from his blaster. It was supposed to be a cheap knock off of clone trooper armor which was designed to take a shot or two from blasters before being penetrated. The various cartoons/animated series would routinely make jokes about the quality comparison. But the ObiWan series has the stormtrooper armor so weak that it can’t absorb the impact of physical blows but so strong that it can’t be immediately cut through by a lightsaber! Again! This is what you get when you have people who know nothing about SW writing the stories! LOL
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jun 17, 2022 22:09:20 GMT
Am I wrong in saying that the general reaction to this series is overwhelmingly negative? I thought it was a pretty safe assumption. But I got a ton of (aggressive/hysterical) pushback on that statement on another site. I suppose the RT critics scores are still high, but those were basically set based on the first episode. The audience score is plummeting though. And all I see is disappointment from most fans. I don't hate it. But, like much of Disney Star Wars, it feels like a missed opportunity to be something really awesome. I'm hoping the finale will redeem it somewhat, but it's a faint hope. I'm finally getting my home theatre set up at my new place. I took the opportunity to update my 5.1 system to a 7.1 setup. I'm also upgrading HD to 4K. So the first thing I'm going to do is a chronological rewatch of all the live action Star Wars movies/shows. We'll see if I like the series more or less in that context....
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 18, 2022 19:11:41 GMT
I don't hate it. But, like much of Disney Star Wars, it feels like a missed opportunity to be something really awesome. I'm hoping the finale will redeem it somewhat, but it's a faint hope. I'm finally getting my home theatre set up at my new place. I took the opportunity to update my 5.1 system to a 7.1 setup. I'm also upgrading HD to 4K. So the first thing I'm going to do is a chronological rewatch of all the live action Star Wars movies/shows. We'll see if I like the series more or less in that context.... I'm mostly frustrated for Ewan McGregor. He's the perfect age for the role, and he's giving such a great/committed performance, but the writing is unworthy of his effort. I wouldn't blame him if he had phoned it in like Temuera Morrison in that Boba Fett show.
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Post by onethreetwo on Jun 19, 2022 23:53:15 GMT
I finally made myself watch episode 5. Moses was bad again and the writing was bad again. I'm not surprised. What really bothers me is that they didn't even try to find a boy that looks like a young Hamill.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 20, 2022 0:34:38 GMT
I finally made myself watch episode 5. Moses was bad again and the writing was bad again. I'm not surprised. What really bothers me is that they didn't even try to find a boy that looks like a young Hamill. U IZ HATER!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 4:31:35 GMT
I saw the first episode last night. It’s just plain dull. Not to suggest I want a bunch of action scenes, that wasn’t it. The whole thing was all just so flat and lifeless. And cliched beyond belief. I know it’s embracing the classic retired/jaded hero trope, but this is the most tired ass version of that I’ve ever seen. I’m fine with Star Wars embracing, paying homage to classic archetypes, that’s part of the franchise, but this was as uninspired as they come.
And god I hate that ugly obvious green screen. It’s pathetic. Just like Mando it looks like a cheap cable tv show. What the hell does Disney spend it money on? It ain’t the effects. Just another reason Star Wars needs to be on the big screen, not the small one.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jun 21, 2022 17:23:31 GMT
And god I hate that ugly obvious green screen. Except there isn't any green screen. Lol. They use The Volume (fancy rear projection). I think it looks better than green screen, but to each their own....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 17:43:11 GMT
And god I hate that ugly obvious green screen. Except there isn't any green screen. Lol. They use The Volume (fancy rear projection). I think it looks better than green screen, but to each their own.... Potato Potato. All I saw was that same “stand exactly here” camera framing and shallow depth of field that made it obvious the backgrounds weren’t real. I don’t really know what “volume” is, but how is it different? It’s still a cgi background, no?
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jun 21, 2022 19:24:43 GMT
Except there isn't any green screen. Lol. They use The Volume (fancy rear projection). I think it looks better than green screen, but to each their own.... Potato Potato. All I saw was that same “stand exactly here” camera framing and shallow depth of field that made it obvious the backgrounds weren’t real. I don’t really know what “volume” is, but how is it different? It’s still a cgi background, no? Yeah, the shallow depth of field is the biggest issue I think. Everything looks so narrow, there's no cinematic wide angled shots. It really makes you aware that this is a TV show rather than a film. I agree re the backgrounds as well. I'm not sure if it's worse than green screen (which I know they've still used for some elements) but it's still not great. I was surprised to see that Midi-Chlorian Count Jnr even noticed it and started complaining about the scene on the bridge with Vader and Reva not looking real and have no depth where the "windows" should be. I remember seeing some of the prequel making of features and although they extensively used green screen they also had some props to give sense of space. Not sure if that's totally abandoned now though with the rear projection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 19:30:29 GMT
Potato Potato. All I saw was that same “stand exactly here” camera framing and shallow depth of field that made it obvious the backgrounds weren’t real. I don’t really know what “volume” is, but how is it different? It’s still a cgi background, no? Yeah, the shallow depth of field is the biggest issue I think. Everything looks so narrow, there's no cinematic wide angled shots. It really makes you aware that this is a TV show rather than a film. I agree re the backgrounds as well. I'm not sure if it's worse than green screen (which I know they've still used for some elements) but it's still not great. I was surprised to see that Midi-Chlorian Count Jnr even noticed it and started complaining about the scene on the bridge with Vader and Reva not looking real and have no depth where the "windows" should be. I remember seeing some of the prequel making of features and although they extensively used green screen they also had some props to give sense of space. Not sure if that's totally abandoned now though with the rear projection. Unfortunately this style is very common in movies too now. I’m a big Marvel fan, but I can’t stand that shallow depth background trick. You can’t unsee it. It looks so much worse on tv though, probably because of the lower budget. It gives the Star Wars shows this really bizarre look/feel, like the characters aren’t really anywhere at all, but trapped in some weird virtual reality generator. It’s funny how Phantom Menace’s cgi backgrounds look so much better, even after all these years.
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Post by jcush on Jun 21, 2022 20:33:08 GMT
Was anyone else disappointed that Vader didn't Dooku Reva when he broke her lightsaber into two?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 21, 2022 20:34:50 GMT
Was anyone else disappointed that Vader didn't Dooku Reva when he broke her lightsaber into two? I was expecting it, yes.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 21, 2022 23:55:26 GMT
I think this show sucks and the Boba Fett show was mediocre at best, but I love the idea of Star Wars on TV taking over.
Mando S1 was good; S2 was fantastic. On top of that, Mando is being run by Lucas’ hand-picked protege Dave Filoni along with Jon Favreau. They’re both great talents that complement each other perfectly (Favreau for the tech, Filoni for the writing).
At least with those two at the helm, Star Wars can move forward with genuine interest from most. Deborah Chow (a choice out of left field) is running Obi-Wan and Robert Rodriguez had his hand in TBoBF all the while the Lucasfilm brass were pushing this show all along.
Filoni has been involved with The Mandalorian, Clone Wars S7, and The Bad Batch since Disney took over. Then his fingerprints are all over those two great Boba Fett episodes. He’s doing the Ahsoka show as well, which will build on all of those projects as well as Rebels.
Again, I personally like the idea of the TV end taking over. It allows the universe to continue to be explored in many different directions without the burden of shoe-horning in a bunch of saga lore when it isn’t needed.
On top of that, I have been watching a lot of older shows recently (The Rifleman mostly) and the difference between movies and TV is noticeable and has been since the old days. By its very nature, TV is going for quantity over quality.
A two hour movie that takes three years to make can be a lot bigger and more polished than a ten episode (about 8 hour) show that has to be done in the same timeframe. They’re made differently and I appreciate them both for what they are.
Just get some better decision-makers at the top! There’s no reason Obi-Wan should’ve been greenlit at all, let alone once the script was read and nothing of worth was going to be explored. Same goes for Boba Fett.
Stick with what works - Mando. Trust the writer who has got you this far to use his favorite creation - Ahsoka - for a good show to further the plot of this smaller TV universe. Build off of those and slow down.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 22, 2022 1:53:20 GMT
I think this show sucks and the Boba Fett show was mediocre at best, but I love the idea of Star Wars on TV taking over. Mando S1 was good; S2 was fantastic. On top of that, Mando is being run by Lucas’ hand-picked protege Dave Filoni along with Jon Favreau. They’re both great talents that complement each other perfectly (Favreau for the tech, Filoni for the writing). At least with those two at the helm, Star Wars can move forward with genuine interest from most. Deborah Chow (a choice out of left field) is running Obi-Wan and Robert Rodriguez had his hand in TBoBF all the while the Lucasfilm brass were pushing this show all along. Filoni has been involved with The Mandalorian, Clone Wars S7, and The Bad Batch since Disney took over. Then his fingerprints are all over those two great Boba Fett episodes. He’s doing the Ahsoka show as well, which will build on all of those projects as well as Rebels. Again, I personally like the idea of the TV end taking over. It allows the universe to continue to be explored in many different directions without the burden of shoe-horning in a bunch of saga lore when it isn’t needed. On top of that, I have been watching a lot of older shows recently (The Rifleman mostly) and the difference between movies and TV is noticeable and has been since the old days. By its very nature, TV is going for quantity over quality. A two hour movie that takes three years to make can be a lot bigger and more polished than a ten episode (about 8 hour) show that has to be done in the same timeframe. They’re made differently and I appreciate them both for what they are. Just get some better decision-makers at the top! There’s no reason Obi-Wan should’ve been greenlit at all, let alone once the script was read and nothing of worth was going to be explored. Same goes for Boba Fett. Stick with what works - Mando. Trust the writer who has got you this far to use his favorite creation - Ahsoka - for a good show to further the plot of this smaller TV universe. Build off of those and slow down. TV can be excellent. I don’t watch much of it, but IMO the early seasons of GOT and Better Call Saul come to mind when I think of excellent television. I feel that Star Wars’ TV potential is unlimited. That’s even with budgetary limitations. Anyway I don’t think the budgets are the issue. The issue is the simplistic, tacky plots and dialogue. And even if that was with Star Wars from the beginning, it doesn’t mean that it needs to remain. Granted that Mando is the best of them but even that has vast room for improvement IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 3:21:13 GMT
I respect the medium of television. There’s some terrific shows. Both the ones mentioned by Power Ranger above are excellent. But I don’t think Star Wars belongs on the small screen. The shows are loaded up with tons of filler, and the effects work is abysmal. Seeing Star Wars with such terrible special effects is painful when it literally used to pave the way for new effects in the industry. I really think Mando would’ve been a lot better as a movie, with a two hour script and some decent visuals. The worst episodes of Mando have all the quality and production value of Xena the Warrior Princess.
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