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Post by clusium on Jul 16, 2022 3:05:12 GMT
I did respond to your post. No I am not admitting to any such thing. You yourself admit to YOUTHS. That in & of itself implies young men, as opposed to small children. I don't see a reply. You haven't produced any translations to the contrary, but the consensus is you're wrong. I already provided a source for you. Here is another one. Misunderstood Story Of Bear Attacks
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jul 16, 2022 3:20:03 GMT
Yes, you do, every time you try to convince me that God exists and the Bible is his infallible word. It is called proselytizing, and I am sick of it. You think freedom of speech and religion allows you to constantly shove your worldview down everyone else's throat. I am telling you why I don't believe what you do. Since I, too, have freedom of speech and religion, I am going to start actively trying to get you to accept atheism. Freedom of speech and religion is a two-way street. You should be an atheist. Praying to God doesn't heal the sick, advances in medical science does. I am living proof. My female relatives on my father's side were, almost 90%, diagnosed with breast cancer. My father's mother died of it, before I was ever born. My father's sister died of it, when I was 12 years old. Countless aunts, second and third cousins died of it. When I was 35, I was diagnosed with it. Stage 2 Adenocarcinoma with involved lymph nodes. I was sure I would die of it. But my husband wouldn't let me give up. He dragged me, kicking and screaming, through surgeries, chemotherapy and anti-hormone therapy for over a year. I was declared in remission, and I have stayed on the anti-hormone meds for over 30 years. I am still in remission to this day. Advances in medical science have extended my life far longer than I ever could have hoped for. For 32 years, I have followed the science. You should give up praying to God. It didn't work for any of my female relatives. Science worked for me. Proof. This is a public religion message forum. I believe that God Exists, & express my views here. You posted to me first. When people post a topic, I respond to it. Truth is, I don't even care if you are an atheist. But, I am not, & moreover, I actually find the subject of religions in general to be quite interesting, which is why I even come to religion message forums. Why do you come? No, that is what bigots such as the anti-theists on this message forum think. They have no respect for other people's deeply-held religious beliefs.Fat chance. Praying to God Gives the knowledge of medical science to those who learn it. And I am really happy to hear that you survived it. I'm very pleased to hear it. Right up until the pandemic broke out 2 years ago, I volunteered for many years with a not-for-profit organization for women undergoing chemotherapy called Look Good, Feel Better. Did you take part in it? It is in pretty much most hospitals which treat cancer & other medical centres which treat cancer too. Some of these places actually are spiritually-based. Such as Wellspring. Nobody is stopping you from doing so. " Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."~Albert Einstein. Sorry Honey. Ain't gonna happen. And I will never pray to a god again. Now, show some respect for my deeply held beliefs. If you want me to respect your deeply held religious beliefs, then you should respect my deeply held atheist beliefs.
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Post by clusium on Jul 16, 2022 3:34:52 GMT
This is a public religion message forum. I believe that God Exists, & express my views here. You posted to me first. When people post a topic, I respond to it. Truth is, I don't even care if you are an atheist. But, I am not, & moreover, I actually find the subject of religions in general to be quite interesting, which is why I even come to religion message forums. Why do you come? No, that is what bigots such as the anti-theists on this message forum think. They have no respect for other people's deeply-held religious beliefs.Fat chance. Praying to God Gives the knowledge of medical science to those who learn it. And I am really happy to hear that you survived it. I'm very pleased to hear it. Right up until the pandemic broke out 2 years ago, I volunteered for many years with a not-for-profit organization for women undergoing chemotherapy called Look Good, Feel Better. Did you take part in it? It is in pretty much most hospitals which treat cancer & other medical centres which treat cancer too. Some of these places actually are spiritually-based. Such as Wellspring. Nobody is stopping you from doing so. " Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."~Albert Einstein. Sorry Honey. Ain't gonna happen. And I will never pray to a god again. Now, show some respect for my deeply held beliefs. If you want me to respect your deeply held religious beliefs, then you should respect my deeply held atheist beliefs. I already told you, I don't even care that you are atheist. I come to the RFS forum to discuss religion. Why do you come? Frankly, if I were an atheist or anti-theist, etc., I probably wouldn't post on a religion message forum, because I probably wouldn't even be interested in the subject. That is why I never post on the Politics message forum or the LGBT message forums. Because I'm not interested.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jul 16, 2022 16:33:09 GMT
And I will never pray to a god again. Now, show some respect for my deeply held beliefs. If you want me to respect your deeply held religious beliefs, then you should respect my deeply held atheist beliefs. I already told you, I don't even care that you are atheist. I come to the RFS forum to discuss religion. Why do you come? Frankly, if I were an atheist or anti-theist, etc., I probably wouldn't post on a religion message forum, because I probably wouldn't even be interested in the subject. That is why I never post on the Politics message forum or the LGBT message forums. Because I'm not interested. You should be interested in how the line between church and state is being blurred. It's happening right now. But of course, you would just love it if this country became a Christian theocracy, and people were forced to become Christian or face legal consequences. But keep your nose stuck in a book written over 2,000 years ago by ignorant nomads, and let the rest of us deal with the reality of wars over religious differences (Israel/Palestine) and greed (Russia/Ukraine) and global warming that endangers all of the human race and the supporting environment. We will not be interacting further. I am not interested in discussing a 2,000 year old book, I am interested in what conflicts are going on now that affect everyone on this planet.
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Post by clusium on Jul 16, 2022 18:23:58 GMT
I already told you, I don't even care that you are atheist. I come to the RFS forum to discuss religion. Why do you come? Frankly, if I were an atheist or anti-theist, etc., I probably wouldn't post on a religion message forum, because I probably wouldn't even be interested in the subject. That is why I never post on the Politics message forum or the LGBT message forums. Because I'm not interested. You should be interested in how the line between church and state is being blurred. It's happening right now. But of course, you would just love it if this country became a Christian theocracy, and people were forced to become Christian or face legal consequences. But keep your nose stuck in a book written over 2,000 years ago by ignorant nomads, and let the rest of us deal with the reality of wars over religious differences (Israel/Palestine) and greed (Russia/Ukraine) and global warming that endangers all of the human race and the supporting environment. We will not be interacting further. I am not interested in discussing a 2,000 year old book, I am interested in what conflicts are going on now that affect everyone on this planet. No, I like the Freedom of Religion in my country (Canada; not the USA). I have quite a few friends from other religions (mostly Jewish). Ironic that not only do you reference the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but, also the Russia/Ukraine, as Russia/Ukraine conflict also have somewhat of a religious conflict (Communism vs Religious Freedom). The Ukrainians are predominantly Christian & praying to God to Liberate their countries from Russian conquest. Now, Russians are also predominantly Christian too, however, there is also a lot of pro-communist (which is an atheistic ideology) feeling amongst the older Russians, & Putin is no exception. Putin The Marxist-Leninist
Your decision. Not mine. You are the one that responds to my posts, & then have the gall to accuse me of proselytizing, when I defend my views. Those Ukrainians that hope & pray to be freed from Russian conquest are putting their faith in that 2,000-year-old Book.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jul 16, 2022 18:32:57 GMT
You should be interested in how the line between church and state is being blurred. It's happening right now. But of course, you would just love it if this country became a Christian theocracy, and people were forced to become Christian or face legal consequences. But keep your nose stuck in a book written over 2,000 years ago by ignorant nomads, and let the rest of us deal with the reality of wars over religious differences (Israel/Palestine) and greed (Russia/Ukraine) and global warming that endangers all of the human race and the supporting environment. We will not be interacting further. I am not interested in discussing a 2,000 year old book, I am interested in what conflicts are going on now that affect everyone on this planet. No, I like the Freedom of Religion in my country (Canada; not the USA). I have quite a few friends from other religions (mostly Jewish). Ironic that not only do you reference the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but, also the Russia/Ukraine, as Russia/Ukraine conflict also have somewhat of a religious conflict (Communism vs Religious Freedom). The Ukrainians are predominantly Christian & praying to God to Liberate their countries from Russian conquest. Now, Russians are also predominantly Christian too, however, there is also a lot of pro-communist (which is an atheistic ideology) feeling amongst the older Russians, & Putin is no exception. Putin The Marxist-Leninist
Your decision. Not mine. You are the one that responds to my posts, & then have the gall to accuse me of proselytizing, when I defend my views. Those Ukrainians that hope & pray to be freed from Russian conquest are putting their faith in that 2,000-year-old Book. They would be better served by actively putting bullets in guns and strategically using the guns, rather than passively praying to the god of that 2,000-year-old book. "Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer".
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Post by clusium on Jul 16, 2022 18:41:59 GMT
No, I like the Freedom of Religion in my country (Canada; not the USA). I have quite a few friends from other religions (mostly Jewish). Ironic that not only do you reference the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but, also the Russia/Ukraine, as Russia/Ukraine conflict also have somewhat of a religious conflict (Communism vs Religious Freedom). The Ukrainians are predominantly Christian & praying to God to Liberate their countries from Russian conquest. Now, Russians are also predominantly Christian too, however, there is also a lot of pro-communist (which is an atheistic ideology) feeling amongst the older Russians, & Putin is no exception. Putin The Marxist-Leninist
Your decision. Not mine. You are the one that responds to my posts, & then have the gall to accuse me of proselytizing, when I defend my views. Those Ukrainians that hope & pray to be freed from Russian conquest are putting their faith in that 2,000-year-old Book. They would be better served by actively putting bullets in guns and strategically using the guns, rather than passively praying to the god of that 2,000-year-old book. "Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer". If you watch the news, they are fighting back, & the rest of the world is behind them, rather than Putin. Even Russians oppose what he is doing to Ukraine.
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Post by rizdek on Jul 16, 2022 19:48:46 GMT
Elisha and the Two Bears (2 Kings 2:23-25) I prefer Goldilocks and the three bears. Robert Southey
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Post by Sarge on Jul 16, 2022 20:34:50 GMT
I don't see a reply. You haven't produced any translations to the contrary, but the consensus is you're wrong. I already provided a source for you. Here is another one. Misunderstood Story Of Bear Attacks That's doesn't contradict the other interpretations, the author admits the words could mean children, he just doesn't want it to be true. I checked over a dozen interpretations that generally agree, you found one that wishfully hopes it means 42 grownups, maybe priests, were chasing an old man and calling him baldy. Yeah, that's what priests do, travel in gangs and make fun of old men. Heck, he admits it could even mean babies, maybe 42 babies were chasing Elisha. But no, the consensus among scholars, for centuries, has been that it means kids. Really it never happened and is just a bogeyman story for children, so they don't go teasing old people with no sense of humor.
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Post by rizdek on Jul 16, 2022 20:42:43 GMT
I don't see a reply. You haven't produced any translations to the contrary, but the consensus is you're wrong. I already provided a source for you. Here is another one. Misunderstood Story Of Bear Attacks But the misunderstanding they are referring to at that site is the interpretation of the story not the age of the taunting people. Best I can tell, there is nothing in that article that shows unequivocally the word meant young men and not children.
The author wants us to believe it is unlikely to have meant youngsters, but the word isn't necessarily mistranslated.
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Post by Sarge on Jul 18, 2022 5:01:12 GMT
Interesting in so many ways. Later, after mom was out of the picture, his daughters raped1 had consensual sex with Lot in his sleep.
1Legally, an erection is considered consent.
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Post by general313 on Jul 19, 2022 18:35:11 GMT
That's doesn't contradict the other interpretations, the author admits the words could mean children, he just doesn't want it to be true. I checked over a dozen interpretations that generally agree, you found one that wishfully hopes it means 42 grownups, maybe priests, were chasing an old man and calling him baldy. Yeah, that's what priests do, travel in gangs and make fun of old men. Heck, he admits it could even mean babies, maybe 42 babies were chasing Elisha. But no, the consensus among scholars, for centuries, has been that it means kids. Really it never happened and is just a bogeyman story for children, so they don't go teasing old people with no sense of humor. If only Chris Rock had read this verse before making his Oscar joke, he could have avoided being slapped by Will Smith.
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Post by tickingmask on Jul 21, 2022 8:21:40 GMT
"As a rule, atheists tend to know the Bible better than most Christians. Christians are content to have it spoon fed to them in church and they don't actually go crack it. Reading the bible is a great path to atheism and I highly recommend it. What about learning science? Christians don't actually have to learn anything about science because they can just say "God did it." - Don Baker I thought the whole point of "The Atheist Experience" was to encourage Christians to question their faith, not to make yourself sound like like some punchable arrogant and condescending twat.
So perhaps I'll change my favourite bible quote from something out of the Sermon of the Mount, and go with the one from Proverbs: "Pride comes before a fall".
(Edit) I thought I'd better look that one up, and it actually says: "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." (Proverbs 16:18). Close enough, I guess!
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 21, 2022 15:11:26 GMT
Now, Russians are also predominantly Christian too, however, there is also a lot of pro-communist (which is an atheistic ideology) feeling amongst the older Russians, & Putin is no exception. Putin The Marxist-Leninist
Not a very coherent article to be honest. Putin probably has been influenced by Marxist-Leninist thought to some extent but the analysis here is basically "Putin likes war! And here's some quotes about war from Marx and Mao! Therefore Putin's love of war comes from Marx and Mao!" If you look at the context of Marx's quote, he's referring to the fact that the instability caused by war can lead to a revolution which is the last lesson Putin seems to be heeding - by going to war against Ukraine, Marx would say Putin is increasing the risk his regime may be overthrown. As for Mao, he's basically saying that the only way to bring about political change is via violence rather than peaceful means. You could argue that this could fit Putin's situation - he's using war to try and increase Russia's geopolitical power - but Mao is hardly the only person, Marxist or otherwise, to point out that violence is what moves the world. The rest of it seems to be the usual dubious claims of 100 million dead - a claim even some of the authors of the Black Book of Communism say is a load of crap. A more salient point is that Putin has attempted to restore none of the worker's protections etc that Yeltsin scrapped. His praise for the Soviet Union seems to be limited to the geopolitical power it once had as a means to stoke up nationalist feeling.
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 22, 2022 0:41:36 GMT
Elisha and the Two Bears (2 Kings 2:23-25) They were actually young men & not children that were killed by by bears. Language mistranslation. 1) Not to be pedantic but weren’t “actually” anything since it’s a fictional story. 2) If you’re going to harp about translations, the interlinear doesn’t agree with you. Bible hub
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Post by lunda2222 on Jul 24, 2022 12:33:07 GMT
Elisha and the Two Bears (2 Kings 2:23-25) They were actually young men & not children that were killed by by bears. Language mistranslation. Given that the rite of manhood at the time was given when the boy reached twelve years, I don't really see the distinction in modern terms.
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