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Post by DC-Fan on May 28, 2017 6:13:25 GMT
zoilus aka schlacko is still trying to make lame excuses for Brady's cheating by claiming that since the NFL paid for Wells' investigation, Wells was obligated to give the NFL the verdict that the NFL wanted. That's a lame excuse which I completely debunked and destroyed.
Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez was arrested and charged with the murder of Odin Lloyd. Under the Constitution, Hernandez had the constitutional right to a trial by jury. But Hernandez didn't pay for his trial. The state paid for Hernandez' trial. The state paid for the salaries of the judge, the clerk, the bailiff. The state paid for the tables and chairs in the courtroom and paid for the cost of electricity so the lights could be turned on in the courtroom. The state even pays a stipend to the jurors. So according to zoilus aka schlacko's lame argument, since the state paid for Hernandez' trial, the jurors were obligated to give the state the verdict that the state wanted. That's how lame and dumb zoilus aka schlacko's argument is.
Under the Constitution, Hernandez had the constitutional right to a trial by jury. But trials aren't free. Somebody has to foot the bill for the trial. The state has accepted the responsibility to pay for the trials in order to ensure that defendants get their constitutional right to a trial by jury. But that in no way obligates jurors to give the state the verdict that the state wants. Even though the state pays a stipend to the jurors, the jurors are still independent and free to come back with a verdict that's opposite of what the state wants.
Similarly for DeflateGate, nobody was going to spend hundreds of hours conducting an independent investigation for free. Somebody has to foot the bill for the independent investigation. The NFL accepted the responsibility to pay for an independent and unbiased investigation in order to ensure that Brady and Belichick got a fair and unbiased opportunity to clear themselves of wrongdoing. But that in no way obligates Ted Wells or anyone working for Wells to give the NFL or Goodell the verdict that they wanted. Even though the NFL paid for the independent and unbiased investigation (since somebody has to foot the bill for it), Wells and his team were still independent and free to come back with a verdict that's opposite of what the NFL or Goodell wanted.
And Brady fanboys keep forgetting the fact that Wells and his team did in fact come back with a verdict that's opposite of what the NFL or Goodell wanted. Wells and his team cleared Belichick of any wrongdoing in DeflateGate, which is a verdict that opposite of what the NFL or Goodell wanted. So Wells and his team didn't give the NFL or Goodell the verdict that they wanted, which proves conclusively that Wells and his team conducted an independent, thorough, objective, and unbiased investigation into DeflateGate and came back with the correct and just verdict. A correct and just verdict that was affirmed by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals.
Also, when Wells was hired to conduct the independent investigation, Robert Kraft himself praised Wells for his independence and integrity. Then after the Wells Report, Kraft complained about the guilty verdict for Brady but had no complaints about the not guilty verdict for Belichick, even though the same independent investigation team came back with both verdicts! So the Patriots and their dumb, biased fans only complain about verdicts that go against them but have no complaints about verdicts that go their way.
So zoilus aka schlacko's lame excuses have been debunked and destroyed. Bottom line: Brady cheated and got caught cheating and will forever be known as the biggest cheater and fraud in NFL history.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 28, 2017 6:20:15 GMT
zoilus is schlacko?
does he love Trump as much as Kraft Belichick and Brady do?
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Post by damngumby on May 28, 2017 9:35:52 GMT
You said it yourself. The state's primary goal is to uphold the constitution. They are not going to undermine the legal system by paying jurors to return a guilty verdict, even if that is what the prosecution wants. The state pays the bills to ensure that there is a viable legal system in place, not to make the prosecution happy.
Unscrupulous elements within the NFL had no such compunction in Deflate-gate. You just admitted that their primary goal was to find the Patriots guilty of some sort of wrong doing ... and they were willing to spend millions of dollars to achieve that goal. There are no inherent checks and balances within the NFL that would ensure an independent, unbiased investigation. Wells did the best he could with what he had to work with. The much maligned and ridiculed Wells Report was the result.
... Looks like the only person you've "debunked and destroyed" is yourself, cupcake.
If FAIL was art, you'd be a Rembrandt.
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Post by zoilus on May 28, 2017 14:48:55 GMT
Aw my very own call-out thread + you think I'm someone else! I must really be getting under your skin
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 28, 2017 14:51:20 GMT
You really are the biggest fucking loser on the planet.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 28, 2017 18:50:39 GMT
Yes, zoilus is schlacko from IMDb. Moreover, zoilus claims to know more about physics than Professor Marlow, who is a Physics Professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University. LOL!!!
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Post by DC-Fan on May 28, 2017 18:56:44 GMT
their primary goal was to find the Patriots guilty of some sort of wrong doing No, their only goal was to ensure that Brady and Belichick got an independent and unbiased opportunity to clear themselves of wrongdoing. That's why they hired an independent investigator whom Robert Kraft himself praised for his independence and integrity when he was hired to conduct the independent investigation. There are no inherent checks and balances within the NFL that would ensure an independent, unbiased investigation. Yes, there is. The CBA allows players to appeal and get an Arbitration hearing. Brady got an Arbitration hearing and the Arbitrator confirmed that Brady cheated. The much maligned and ridiculed Wells Report was the result. Like I said in my OP, when Wells was hired to conduct the independent investigation, Robert Kraft himself praised Wells for his independence and integrity. Then after the Wells Report, Kraft complained about the guilty verdict for Brady but had no complaints about the not guilty verdict for Belichick, even though the same independent investigation team came back with both verdicts! So the Patriots and their dumb, biased fans only complain about verdicts that go against them but have no complaints about verdicts that go their way.
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Post by marsexplorer on May 28, 2017 19:00:07 GMT
zoilus is schlacko? does he love Trump as much as Kraft Belichick and Brady do? Schlacko is a big Hillary supporter. Remember that he disappeared from IMDb after the election. I thought he had committed suicide.
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Post by zoilus on May 28, 2017 19:09:58 GMT
Yes, zoilus is schlacko from IMDb. Moreover, zoilus claims to know more about physics than Professor Marlow, who is a Physics Professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University. LOL!!! zoilus is not schlacko, and zoilus has said at least twice he doesn't claim to know more about physics than Marlow, but he knows enough to know that Marlow was being dishonest in saying Exponent did everything right. you don't know shit about science so it's no wonder you have to take him at his word.
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Post by zoilus on May 28, 2017 19:28:54 GMT
Yes, zoilus is schlacko from IMDb. Moreover, zoilus claims to know more about physics than Professor Marlow, who is a Physics Professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University. LOL!!! Know what, you like ridiculous analogies, try this Say an astronaut/physicist tells you the earth is flat. Hell he knows physics, he's been in space, he's more of an expert on whether or not the earth is flat than most. Would you accept his claim? No, you say, "Sir I don't know much about physics, but I know enough to know the earth is round and you are therefore a liar!" I don't need to have a doctorate in physics/thermodynamics to know that wet footballs and dry footballs do not warm at the same rate, and I don't need a doctorate to know that more data is needed to conclude Walt Anderson was wrong about which gauge he used.
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Post by damngumby on May 28, 2017 22:38:12 GMT
Sorry, pea brain. You've already argued that the NFL and Goodel wanted Wells to implicate Belichick in Deflate-gate even when there was no evidence to support such a charge. You submarined your own argument in the OP. You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with yourself. The arbitrator was the same guy that you said wanted Wells to implicate Belichick in Deflate-gate. The complete opposite of independent and unbiased. Do you even read what you write, champ? Why on earth would anyone complain about a verdict that went thier way? Wells manipulated, massaged and cherry picked the evidence just enough to get the results that you have admitted his client wanted. And he might have gotten away with if it wasn't for all those pesky scientists who exposed the shoddy science to the world. You lose. Though I can't take much credit for it. You did it to yourself.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 29, 2017 1:53:13 GMT
I don't need to have a doctorate in physics/thermodynamics to know that wet footballs and dry footballs do not warm at the same rate. Professor Marlow never said that wet and dry footballs warm at the same rate and never said that temperature doesn't affect PSIs. What Professor Marlow confirmed was that the amount of deflation in the Patriots footballs couldn't have been caused by temperature alone and had to be caused by a combination of temperature AND human tampering. And so far, NO ONE has been able to disprove or debunk what Professor Marlow said. All that the other scientists have said was that temperature affects PSIs, which Professor Marlow already confirmed. But Professor Marlow also confirmed that the amount of deflation in the Patriots footballs couldn't have been caused by temperature alone and had to be caused by a combination of temperature AND human tampering. And that has NEVER been disproven nor debunked by any other scientists.
So bottom line: Brady cheated and got caught cheating and will forever be known as the biggest cheater and fraud in NFL history.
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Post by zoilus on May 29, 2017 1:58:46 GMT
Professor Marlow never said that wet and dry footballs warm at the same rate By endorsing Exponent's report, yes he did. Professor Marlow also confirmed that the amount of deflation in the Patriots footballs couldn't have been caused by temperature alone and had to be caused by a combination of temperature AND human tampering. And that has NEVER been disproven nor debunked by any other scientists. Yes it has.
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Post by damngumby on May 29, 2017 12:24:01 GMT
Denying reality isn't an effective argument, cupcake.
Besides, you've already admitted in the OP that the NFL/Goodel was out to get the Patriots. In one fell swoop, you destroyed endless hours and thousands of your own words defending the NFL and their hired gun.
It really is amazing how you repeatedly shoot yourself in the foot, yet never learn from your mistakes.
Another AH/DC Fan thread goes down in flames. They're really piling up!
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Post by granny on May 29, 2017 16:23:39 GMT
Lol, look at how mad Schmucko gets when he's outted!
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Post by ctown28 on May 29, 2017 16:37:01 GMT
The whole argument is now stupid. It's over and done with. None of it changes the fact that Brady is a 5 time SuperBowl champ and is a guaranteed first ballot hall of famer. Obviously Anne Hathaway fan needs to keep telling himself they're tainted so he can sleep better at night!
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Post by DC-Fan on May 30, 2017 3:36:24 GMT
you've already admitted in the OP that the NFL/Goodel was out to get the Patriots. You're so dumb that you still haven't gotten it. The point of this thread, which is 100% correct, is that what the NFL or Goodell wanted irrelevant because nether the NFL nor Goodell had any say in the verdict. Gil Garcetti, Marcia Clark, Chris Darden, and the entire LA DA's office wanted a guilty verdict for OJ in the double murder trial. But what they wanted was irrelevant because they had no say in the verdict. It was up to the jury to decide the verdict. And even though the state paid for the trial, the jury was independent and didn't give the state or the DA's office the verdict that they wanted. Likewise, what the NFL or Goodell wanted was irrelevant because neither the NFL nor Goodell had any say in the verdict. It was up to the independent investigator to decide. And even though the NFL paid for the independent investigation (because nobody is going to spend hundreds of hours conducting an independent investigation for free so somebody has to foot the bill for the independent investigation), Wells' investigation team was independent of the NFL and unbiased and didn't give the NFL or Goodell the verdict that they wanted (i.e. a guilty verdict against Belichick). So my point is still 100% correct. Wells and his team were independent of the NFL and unbiased and didn't give the NFL the verdict that they wanted (i.e. a guilty verdict against Belichick) but gave the correct and just verdict based on an objective examination of the evidence. Brady cheated and was found guilty of cheating.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 30, 2017 3:43:12 GMT
It's over and done with. None of it changes the fact that Brady is a 5 time SuperBowl champ Yes, it's over and done with. None of it changes the fact that Brady was found guilty of cheating and will forever be known as the biggest cheater and fraud in NFL history and at least 4 of Brady's championships will forever be tainted by cheating and have asterisks. Anne Hathaway fan needs to keep telling himself I'm a fan of Alfred Hitchcock movies (I've seen 26 Alfred Hitchcock movies) and I like this actress: Amy Hathaway. But I don't know who this Anne Hathaway fan that you're referring to is.
Back on IMDb, there were several dumb Patriots fans who couldn't figure out what my username stood for even though I gave some clues. At first, I thought the clues were too difficult. But a few people were able to figure out the clues. So it wasn't that the clues were too difficult. It was just that those Patriots fans were just too dumb to figure out the clues.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 30, 2017 6:16:44 GMT
O god...another one of these threads.
This is done and over, you lost DCFan. All you can do now is scream,"I completely debunked and destroyed" whatever's argument.
You get eaten alive every time. You lost, which is why no one ever even tries to thumb up your comments. Youre a troll, youre schtick is boring.
1. Discuss NE and Brady 2. DC > Marvel 3. I love dem Cowboys
That's it, that's all you got. How about hop off Bradys nuts and hope your Cowgirls can maybe finally win a playoff game.
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Post by damngumby on May 30, 2017 12:51:11 GMT
Oh, your attempted "point" was clear enough, buttercup. The problem you're running into is that your faulty comparison fails to stand up to even the most cursory examination. The fact that the NFL/Goodell appointed their own man to be co-lead "juror" completely destroys your claim that the "jury" was independent. Particularly after you have repeatedly admitted that the NFL/Goodell were out to get the Patriots. ... which also destroys your claim that the arbitrator (Goodell) was independent and unbiased, now doesn't it. But don't stop now. Watching an imbecile mindlessly blast away at his own foot is one of the pleasures of this forum. Keep up the good work!
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