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Post by Skaathar on Oct 14, 2022 2:48:13 GMT
When Marvel announced they were doing tv shows on DisneyFlix I had a strong feeling it was the beginning of the end for the MCU. But this sounds like a new low I could have never anticipated. To be honest, had they put this episode somewhere in the middle of the season I think I actually might have liked it. It's dumb but it's fun and creative... which is more than I can say for the other episodes. But the fact that they used it to wrap up the season... it just feels so underhanded somehow. Like they specifically did it to sh*t on the fans.
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Post by Marv on Oct 14, 2022 3:10:13 GMT
When Marvel announced they were doing tv shows on DisneyFlix I had a strong feeling it was the beginning of the end for the MCU. But this sounds like a new low I could have never anticipated. To be honest, had they put this episode somewhere in the middle of the season I think I actually might have liked it. It's dumb but it's fun and creative... which is more than I can say for the other episodes. But the fact that they used it to wrap up the season... it just feels so underhanded somehow. Like they specifically did it to sh*t on the fans. I had these thoughts earlier. Even Jen losing it last episode felt like it would’ve worked better as a mid season point rather than season finale. There’s just not enough time to conclude things properly. For the record I’ve never read a She Hulk comic so for all I know ending her story with a universe bending 4th wall break, magic writer erases all conflict, story beat is right on brand. But if that’s the case I’d probably dislike She Hulk comics as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 3:12:01 GMT
When Marvel announced they were doing tv shows on DisneyFlix I had a strong feeling it was the beginning of the end for the MCU. But this sounds like a new low I could have never anticipated. To be honest, had they put this episode somewhere in the middle of the season I think I actually might have liked it. It's dumb but it's fun and creative... which is more than I can say for the other episodes. But the fact that they used it to wrap up the season... it just feels so underhanded somehow. Like they specifically did it to sh*t on the fans. I saw an article earlier about how the writers, by their own admission, couldn’t figure out how to write courtroom scenes so the main plot of Blonsky going to trial was completely dropped. And this is a show called She Hulk Attorney at Law! This show sounds like it was a big mess from the beginning. Someone probably stopped caring before the finale was written.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 3:13:22 GMT
To be honest, had they put this episode somewhere in the middle of the season I think I actually might have liked it. It's dumb but it's fun and creative... which is more than I can say for the other episodes. But the fact that they used it to wrap up the season... it just feels so underhanded somehow. Like they specifically did it to sh*t on the fans. I had these thoughts earlier. Even Jen losing it last episode felt like it would’ve worked better as a mid season point rather than season finale. There’s just not enough time to conclude things properly. For the record I’ve never read a She Hulk comic so for all I know ending her story with a universe bending 4th wall break, magic writer erases all conflict, story beat is right on brand. But if that’s the case I’d probably dislike She Hulk comics as well. I don’t think this level of fourth wall breaking ever works. It reminds me of when The Simpsons began to do endings like this in season 11 when they were starting to jump the shark.
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Post by Marv on Oct 14, 2022 3:29:34 GMT
I had these thoughts earlier. Even Jen losing it last episode felt like it would’ve worked better as a mid season point rather than season finale. There’s just not enough time to conclude things properly. For the record I’ve never read a She Hulk comic so for all I know ending her story with a universe bending 4th wall break, magic writer erases all conflict, story beat is right on brand. But if that’s the case I’d probably dislike She Hulk comics as well. I don’t think this level of fourth wall breaking ever works. It reminds me of when The Simpsons began to do endings like this in season 11 when they were starting to jump the shark. I mean I could see it being entertaining if 4 episodes in Jen did something like this to fix her story and there were still several episodes left to have a satisfying conclusion to her fixed story. I could see how that could work. But here it just feels like a last minute curveball that makes a lot of the previous episodes kind of pointless. This show just had a lot wrong with it along the way and it really needed a good finish but instead, at least for me, they dropped the ball completely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 3:43:21 GMT
I don’t think this level of fourth wall breaking ever works. It reminds me of when The Simpsons began to do endings like this in season 11 when they were starting to jump the shark. I mean I could see it being entertaining if 4 episodes in Jen did something like this to fix her story and there were still several episodes left to have a satisfying conclusion to her fixed story. I could see how that could work. But here it just feels like a last minute curveball that makes a lot of the previous episodes kind of pointless. This show just had a lot wrong with it along the way and it really needed a good finish but instead, at least for me, they dropped the ball completely. Yeah it sounds flat out awful. Even in comedies you have to have some semblance of canon. Returning to my Simpsons example- it was obnoxious when they did those kinds of non-endings. Even if the plot is silly you have to resolve it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 14, 2022 12:33:06 GMT
That finale, man... holy sh!t. I mean, I had my issues with this show before but they basically turned it into Loony Toons at this point. How Feige ever approved this show is beyond me. I have defended MCU's humor for the longest time but completely turning your show into a joke is something else entirely. If this show were a mechanical bull, this finale finally bucked me off because I take almost nothing away from this show after that debacle. To write a crap show and then in the finale tell the audience that it’s a crap show, and magically replace all the plot lines with ones you like better just because. I mean it just feels like it’s making me (the viewer) out to be the schmuck in this situation for giving a crap about any of this. This is Andy Kaufman levels of trolling your own audience which is something I don’t think I’ll ever appreciate. I liked Tatiana Maslany, hope she remains and gets better writers and runners around her. Everything else feels like a waste of my time. On the surface, the stuff in this episode is still pretty funny... if this show had been advertised as a kind of What If thing where none of it was even remotely to be taken seriously or put into the context of the proper MCU narrative, it would've been a blast of a self-parody. But to take us on this journey using established MCU characters like Hulk and Blonsky, introduce a fan favorite like Daredevil and make a huge MCU plot point (the Sokovia Accords) disappear, only to kick fans in the nuts in the finale by essentially erasing all of it, holy shit. They didn't just break the fourth wall, they disintegrated it. One of the writers jokes about making season 2 into one long dream sequence. Isn't that what they did this year? None of this makes any sense. Is Wong an international criminal now? Why is he breaking Blonsky out? Is Blonsky reformed or not, because it's really unclear how much of this episode, or any episode, actually happened. Has Daredevil officially been introduced, or is this some farcical shadow of him, like Mr. Immortal or the Wrecking Crew? The same could be asked of Skaar. It's all such a mess. I didn't defend this show so much as enjoy it for what it was as the season went along, but they really screwed the pooch with this finale. In a narrative as interconnected as the MCU, you can't leave fans guessing what the hell just happened. If they ever bring She-Hulk into the movies, I sincerely hope they write off this entire season as a multiversal nightmare or something. Again, it's a brilliant self-parody of the MCU (I loved it when she was told to transform off camera to save money because the f/x crew had moved on to other projects, and the Black Panther music kicks in for a second), but how are we supposed to interpret it? If it was advertised as a non-canon send-up of a super hero story, I would've loved this show. But taken as is, I can't understand the creative decisions that were made here.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Oct 14, 2022 16:38:31 GMT
Wow. As someone who enjoyed the season, that finale was shit-for-the-birds bullshit!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 17:36:10 GMT
If they do bring this character into the movies I hope they do so with a new introduction, if not an entirely new origin. Requiring general audiences to watch a bad canon breaking sitcom to be fully caught up before Captain America 4 or whatever Hulk movie they’re planning would be incredibly arrogant and misguided.
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Post by Marv on Oct 14, 2022 17:56:26 GMT
If they do bring this character into the movies I hope they do so with a new introduction, if not an entirely new origin. Requiring general audiences to watch a bad canon breaking sitcom to be fully caught up before Captain America 4 or whatever Hulk movie they’re planning would be incredibly arrogant and misguided. I actually don’t even think that’s necessary. Her powers are easily recognizable to the movie watching layman and her personality is strong enough that it will shine through eventually. I don’t think a lot of preamble is necessary. But I generally feel that way about most superhero’s.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 18:47:16 GMT
If they do bring this character into the movies I hope they do so with a new introduction, if not an entirely new origin. Requiring general audiences to watch a bad canon breaking sitcom to be fully caught up before Captain America 4 or whatever Hulk movie they’re planning would be incredibly arrogant and misguided. I actually don’t even think that’s necessary. Her powers are easily recognizable to the movie watching layman and her personality is strong enough that it will shine through eventually. I don’t think a lot of preamble is necessary. But I generally feel that way about most superhero’s. Yeah, but anyone who didn’t see the show will wonder why there’s another Hulk. Even having seen the show (4 episodes anyway) I still hope they at least provide a little recap information so that I exclude this show from my head canon and rewatches. At minimum they could just have her or Banner explain to another character how she ended up this way. (They should do the same for Leader too, so no one ever has to rewatch the abysmal TIH!) The smart thing would’ve been to introduce Ms Marvel and She Hulk in supporting roles in movies first, then do the spin off solo tv shows. They really put the cart before the horse on this shit.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 14, 2022 19:54:15 GMT
I actually don’t even think that’s necessary. Her powers are easily recognizable to the movie watching layman and her personality is strong enough that it will shine through eventually. I don’t think a lot of preamble is necessary. But I generally feel that way about most superhero’s. Yeah, but anyone who didn’t see the show will wonder why there’s another Hulk. Even having seen the show (4 episodes anyway) I still hope they at least provide a little recap information so that I exclude this show from my head canon and rewatches. At minimum they could just have her or Banner explain to another character how she ended up this way. (They should do the same for Leader too, so no one ever has to rewatch the abysmal TIH!) The smart thing would’ve been to introduce Ms Marvel and She Hulk in supporting roles in movies first, then do the spin off solo tv shows. They really put the cart before the horse on this shit. The problem is that as an audience, we have to ask ourselves how much of this was real. When DD shows up in a movie, will he have dated Jen? The next time we see Wong or Abomination, do they have the baggage of their escapades on this show? There's no way of knowing. Going forward, we now have to ask ourselves which tv shows and movies are actually taking part in the MCU narrative and which ones are just gags to be ignored. It's a serious problem if you want the audience to invest in the story in a meaningful way. This finale didn't just ruin this show, it called into question the way we view all MCU properties going forward.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 14, 2022 19:56:55 GMT
Yeah, but anyone who didn’t see the show will wonder why there’s another Hulk. Even having seen the show (4 episodes anyway) I still hope they at least provide a little recap information so that I exclude this show from my head canon and rewatches. At minimum they could just have her or Banner explain to another character how she ended up this way. (They should do the same for Leader too, so no one ever has to rewatch the abysmal TIH!) The smart thing would’ve been to introduce Ms Marvel and She Hulk in supporting roles in movies first, then do the spin off solo tv shows. They really put the cart before the horse on this shit. The problem is that as an audience, we have to ask ourselves how much of this was real. When DD shows up in a movie, will he have dated Jen? The next time we see Wong or Abomination, do they have the baggage of their escapades on this show? There's no way of knowing. Going forward, we now have to ask ourselves which tv shows and movies are actually taking part in the MCU narrative and which ones are just gags to be ignored. It's a serious problem if you want the audience to invest in the story in a meaningful way. This finale didn't just ruin this show, it called into question the way we view all MCU properties going forward. I was wondering the same thing. Once the DD series comes up, will it start with him having Jen as his gf? Or will that show completely disregard Jen's wish fulfilment in this episode? Is Wong and Abom now wanted criminals for what they did on the show or should we treat this the same way we treated those shorts with Thor living in with Daryll?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 20:48:32 GMT
Yeah, but anyone who didn’t see the show will wonder why there’s another Hulk. Even having seen the show (4 episodes anyway) I still hope they at least provide a little recap information so that I exclude this show from my head canon and rewatches. At minimum they could just have her or Banner explain to another character how she ended up this way. (They should do the same for Leader too, so no one ever has to rewatch the abysmal TIH!) The smart thing would’ve been to introduce Ms Marvel and She Hulk in supporting roles in movies first, then do the spin off solo tv shows. They really put the cart before the horse on this shit. The problem is that as an audience, we have to ask ourselves how much of this was real. When DD shows up in a movie, will he have dated Jen? The next time we see Wong or Abomination, do they have the baggage of their escapades on this show? There's no way of knowing. Going forward, we now have to ask ourselves which tv shows and movies are actually taking part in the MCU narrative and which ones are just gags to be ignored. It's a serious problem if you want the audience to invest in the story in a meaningful way. This finale didn't just ruin this show, it called into question the way we view all MCU properties going forward. They’ve been trying to have their cake and eat it too for a while now with these tv shows. Everything that happened here will most likely be ignored in future projects. Same reason why Vision didn’t appear in Dr Strange- the white version and the fact that he was (sort of) the father of those kids were deliberately ignored. Honestly it’s better that way. Once the events of the shows become essential enough to consistently impact the movies the MCU will become a big bloated mess (if it isn’t already).
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Post by James on Oct 15, 2022 1:42:19 GMT
That finale was bonkers. Hard to process, to be honest.
I'll say that while it wasn't completely awful, it may be my least favourite of the shows.
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Post by novastar6 on Oct 15, 2022 6:00:10 GMT
If this show were a mechanical bull, this finale finally bucked me off because I take almost nothing away from this show after that debacle. To write a crap show and then in the finale tell the audience that it’s a crap show, and magically replace all the plot lines with ones you like better just because. I mean it just feels like it’s making me (the viewer) out to be the schmuck in this situation for giving a crap about any of this. This is Andy Kaufman levels of trolling your own audience which is something I don’t think I’ll ever appreciate. I liked Tatiana Maslany, hope she remains and gets better writers and runners around her. Everything else feels like a waste of my time. On the surface, the stuff in this episode is still pretty funny... if this show had been advertised as a kind of What If thing where none of it was even remotely to be taken seriously or put into the context of the proper MCU narrative, it would've been a blast of a self-parody. But to take us on this journey using established MCU characters like Hulk and Blonsky, introduce a fan favorite like Daredevil and make a huge MCU plot point (the Sokovia Accords) disappear, only to kick fans in the nuts in the finale by essentially erasing all of it, holy shit. They didn't just break the fourth wall, they disintegrated it. One of the writers jokes about making season 2 into one long dream sequence. Isn't that what they did this year? None of this makes any sense. Is Wong an international criminal now? Why is he breaking Blonsky out? Is Blonsky reformed or not, because it's really unclear how much of this episode, or any episode, actually happened. Has Daredevil officially been introduced, or is this some farcical shadow of him, like Mr. Immortal or the Wrecking Crew? The same could be asked of Skaar. It's all such a mess. I didn't defend this show so much as enjoy it for what it was as the season went along, but they really screwed the pooch with this finale. In a narrative as interconnected as the MCU, you can't leave fans guessing what the hell just happened. If they ever bring She-Hulk into the movies, I sincerely hope they write off this entire season as a multiversal nightmare or something. Again, it's a brilliant self-parody of the MCU (I loved it when she was told to transform off camera to save money because the f/x crew had moved on to other projects, and the Black Panther music kicks in for a second), but how are we supposed to interpret it? If it was advertised as a non-canon send-up of a super hero story, I would've loved this show. But taken as is, I can't understand the creative decisions that were made here.
It's simple, there wasn't any. They got an unqualified woman who knows NOTHING about lawyers, trials, court, etc., to write a show about an ATTORNEY AT LAW, who by the way is the dumbest lawyer who ever lived, least qualified, so why is her career so important to her when she sucks so badly at the only thing she cares about?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 16, 2022 17:35:07 GMT
Yeah I wasn't too crazy about the finale. If you're going to go that far with the 4th wall break, you should have fully committed by having Kevin Feige actually be part of it.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 16, 2022 17:56:40 GMT
Never seen it.
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