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Post by Power Ranger on Aug 25, 2022 15:32:27 GMT
Planet Hulk seems to be confirmed. Why did they borrow elements of it already in Thor: Ragnorok? Sounds messy. Not to mention the story is basically humorless. They will have to do a real character correction with Hulk. Sure they will but it will be for the better.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 25, 2022 16:03:28 GMT
Jesus Christ what a short episode. It's cool seeing Tim Roth back as Blonsky and we got a little tease of Bruce in space, i wonder if we'll see his ventures on Sakaar or if that's going to be saved for a future MCU project.
The only "negative" thing i can say about this episode was that it was a short and rushed episode. I know that this series is going to be 9 episodes long, but i hope they're not going to be this short and rushed out going forward.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 25, 2022 16:17:53 GMT
By the way the response to episode 1 is really just proving the entire point the show made about how women are treated.
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Post by Marv on Aug 25, 2022 16:40:00 GMT
Jesus Christ what a short episode. It's cool seeing Tim Roth back as Blonsky and we got a little tease of Bruce in space, i wonder if we'll see his ventures on Sakaar or if that's going to be saved for a future MCU project. The only "negative" thing i can say about this episode was that it was a short and rushed episode. I know that this series is going to be 9 episodes long, but i hope they're not going to be this short and rushed out going forward. Yea it kind of felt like a jump cut to credits and that made me feel like i missed something, then I looked at the runtime and I was at like 23 minutes, including the opening marvel credits...and there were still 9 minutes left or so, but 90 percent of those were just credits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 16:49:00 GMT
I was pretty surprised these numbers are so low. I’m assuming that Loki premiere is their absolute highest figure. Only cracking 2 mil once is pretty pathetic. I would be worried if I were Feige. If Ms Marvel is required viewing for The Marvels then less than a million people are going to fully understand what’s going on in that movie! I’m certain that all of these shows are as irrelevant as Agents of SHIELD. Maybe what you need to know about them is summed up in a single line of dialogue. I had assumed so. But the dialogue in Dr Strange that referenced Wanda Vision was awkward AF. Thankfully it was just limited to one scene, and pretty much irrelevant to the plot
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 25, 2022 16:53:43 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 25, 2022 16:58:04 GMT
Ok, watched the 2nd episode. And I have to say I think the CGI is starting to grow on me. She looked way better in this episode, although it might also be because there was zero action scenes in this episode. That said, her ability to shift from 5'4" Jen Walters to 7' She-Hulk and back again while completely retaining the same clothing is starting to bother me.
The 22 min runtime bothered me more. It's just too short for us to truly get absorbed into the story.
But I think a bigger issue that would be a deal-breaker for me if they don't fix it in the next few episodes is this: Almost everyone in this show is written like caricatures. Nobody feels like a real person because everyone is some kind of exaggerated stereotype. From the overly energetic assistant, to the absolute douchebag lawyer, to the overbearing mother, to the clueless dad, etc. Even Jen Walters is written like your stereotypical clumsy, unsure comical female lead. Hopefully they fix this in succeeding episodes otherwise no character ever truly gets any depth here, and I fear to see what they do with Daredevil.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 25, 2022 17:19:56 GMT
By the way the response to episode 1 is really just proving the entire point the show made about how women are treated. I have to disagree with this. Last night I was watching the latest season of Westworld and that show is extremely gynocentric, with far heavier feminist themes than She-Hulk, but it gets nowhere near the amount of backlash that She-Hulk has. And I believe the difference is because 1. The writing in Westworld is way better and 2. The feminist-angle is delivered in subtler fashion without sounding or feeling preachy. And in the end, I think that's what's causing the backlash against She-Hulk. It's not due to it being female-led or even the feminist message it carries, it's more due to the preachy and condescending way it delivers that message combined with the weak writing. The backlash to this show doesn't prove how women are treated, it proves how people react to condescension. P.S. - I love Westworld.
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Post by Marv on Aug 25, 2022 17:50:24 GMT
Ok, watched the 2nd episode. And I have to say I think the CGI is starting to grow on me. She looked way better in this episode, although it might also be because there was zero action scenes in this episode. That said, her ability to shift from 5'4" Jen Walters to 7' She-Hulk and back again while completely retaining the same clothing is starting to bother me. The 22 min runtime bothered me more. It's just too short for us to truly get absorbed into the story. But I think a bigger issue that would be a deal-breaker for me if they don't fix it in the next few episodes is this: Almost everyone in this show is written like caricatures. Nobody feels like a real person because everyone is some kind of exaggerated stereotype. From the overly energetic assistant, to the absolute douchebag lawyer, to the overbearing mother, to the clueless dad, etc. Even Jen Walters is written like your stereotypical clumsy, unsure comical female lead. Hopefully they fix this in succeeding episodes otherwise no character ever truly gets any depth here, and I fear to see what they do with Daredevil. It seemed like they’re fixing the wardrobe thing based on the dialog in episode 2. Now that she knows she’ll have to be She Hulk full time she’ll buy clothes appropriate to that size. But also…I mean this is a Hulk thing too. Somehow his pants always fit.
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Post by Marv on Aug 25, 2022 17:55:40 GMT
By the way the response to episode 1 is really just proving the entire point the show made about how women are treated. I have to disagree with this. Last night I was watching the latest season of Westworld and that show is extremely gynocentric, with far heavier feminist themes than She-Hulk, but it gets nowhere near the amount of backlash that She-Hulk has. And I believe the difference is because 1. The writing in Westworld is way better and 2. The feminist-angle is delivered in subtler fashion without sounding or feeling preachy. And in the end, I think that's what's causing the backlash against She-Hulk. It's not due to it being female-led or even the feminist message it carries, it's more due to the preachy and condescending way it delivers that message combined with the weak writing. This show doesn't prove how women are treated, it proves how people react to condescension. P.S. - I love Westworld. I agree. That’s not to say all criticism is the same. There’s a big difference between pointing out some flaws in the show versus being an MRA woman hating 0 stars “My God How Woke!” borderline troll of the show. That’s always the thing with critics. Weeding out what’s relevant versus what isn’t.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 25, 2022 17:56:39 GMT
Ok, watched the 2nd episode. And I have to say I think the CGI is starting to grow on me. She looked way better in this episode, although it might also be because there was zero action scenes in this episode. That said, her ability to shift from 5'4" Jen Walters to 7' She-Hulk and back again while completely retaining the same clothing is starting to bother me. The 22 min runtime bothered me more. It's just too short for us to truly get absorbed into the story. But I think a bigger issue that would be a deal-breaker for me if they don't fix it in the next few episodes is this: Almost everyone in this show is written like caricatures. Nobody feels like a real person because everyone is some kind of exaggerated stereotype. From the overly energetic assistant, to the absolute douchebag lawyer, to the overbearing mother, to the clueless dad, etc. Even Jen Walters is written like your stereotypical clumsy, unsure comical female lead. Hopefully they fix this in succeeding episodes otherwise no character ever truly gets any depth here, and I fear to see what they do with Daredevil. It seemed like they’re fixing the wardrobe thing based on the dialog in episode 2. Now that she knows she’ll have to be She Hulk full time she’ll buy clothes appropriate to that size. But also…I mean this is a Hulk thing too. Somehow his pants always fit. Well, Bruce does wear fairly baggy pants and when he Hulks out it rips and tears, then when he goes back to being Bruce they're no longer wearable without him having to hold them up. All his other clothing is completely destroyed. Yes, it's still unrealistic for him to retain his pants/shorts considering his size difference but I'm willing to make the concession so we don't end up having a naked Hulk running around. She-Hulk is not as big as Hulk but she's still massive compared to Jen Walters. And while I don't expect her to completely rip apart her blouse (I'd love that but I'm sure it wouldn't go over too well), I'm expecting at least quite a number of rips and tears, especially when she's in a business suit. But the idea that she can go from Jen to She-Hulk and back again while retaining a pristine suit (even the shoes!) is straining my suspension of disbelief.
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Post by Marv on Aug 25, 2022 17:58:57 GMT
It seemed like they’re fixing the wardrobe thing based on the dialog in episode 2. Now that she knows she’ll have to be She Hulk full time she’ll buy clothes appropriate to that size. But also…I mean this is a Hulk thing too. Somehow his pants always fit. Well, Bruce does wear fairly baggy pants and when he Hulks out it rips and tears, then when he goes back to being Bruce they're no longer wearable without him having to hold them up. All his other clothing is completely destroyed. Yes, it's still unrealistic for him to retain his pants/shorts considering his size difference but I'm willing to make the concession so we don't end up having a naked Hulk running around. She-Hulk is not as big as Hulk but she's still massive compared to Jen Walters. And while I don't expect her to completely rip apart her blouse (I'd love that but I'm sure it wouldn't go over too well), I'm expecting at least quite a number of rips and tears, especially when she's in a business suit. But the idea that she can go from Jen to She-Hulk and back again while retaining a pristine suit (even the shoes!) is straining my suspension of disbelief. Lol we all have our lines in the sand I guess.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 25, 2022 18:01:31 GMT
I have to disagree with this. Last night I was watching the latest season of Westworld and that show is extremely gynocentric, with far heavier feminist themes than She-Hulk, but it gets nowhere near the amount of backlash that She-Hulk has. And I believe the difference is because 1. The writing in Westworld is way better and 2. The feminist-angle is delivered in subtler fashion without sounding or feeling preachy. And in the end, I think that's what's causing the backlash against She-Hulk. It's not due to it being female-led or even the feminist message it carries, it's more due to the preachy and condescending way it delivers that message combined with the weak writing. This show doesn't prove how women are treated, it proves how people react to condescension. P.S. - I love Westworld. I agree. That’s not to say all criticism is the same. There’s a big difference between pointing out some flaws in the show versus being an MRA woman hating 0 stars “My God How Woke!” borderline troll of the show. That’s always the thing with critics. Weeding out what’s relevant versus what isn’t. Oh yeah, for sure there's quite a number of people hating on this show for simply showcasing a strong female lead, but I don't believe they make up for majority of the criticisms. When we look at the imdb ratings of other female-led superhero shows like Black Widow, Wonder Woman, Jessica Jones, even Captain Marvel, they get their own amount of 1/10 stars but nowhere near the amount that She-Hulk got. So there's definitely more going on with She-Hulk's backlash than simply hating on women.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 25, 2022 18:30:54 GMT
Also, just wanted to say that I loved the perspective Blonsky has in this episode. That he went to hunt the Hulk thinking he was the hero because he was taking out a national threat, and for that he ended up being a criminal whereas the national threat became a celebrated hero.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 25, 2022 19:05:13 GMT
I kept thinking, "But, if he's in jail, how was he at that fight we saw in Shang Chi?"
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Post by Marv on Aug 25, 2022 19:41:01 GMT
Also, just wanted to say that I loved the perspective Blonsky has in this episode. That he went to hunt the Hulk thinking he was the hero because he was taking out a national threat, and for that he ended up being a criminal whereas the national threat became a celebrated hero. Agreed. I admit I never thought of that perspective...and Im sure there are holes in his story...but I can see how there's a legal angle there. Especially given how forgiving the government has been of Hulk, who has caused arguably far more destruction than Abomination ever has. Its also just really refreshing to not have the MCU treat that Hulk movie like a black sheep.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 25, 2022 20:05:00 GMT
By the way the response to episode 1 is really just proving the entire point the show made about how women are treated. I have to disagree with this. Last night I was watching the latest season of Westworld and that show is extremely gynocentric, with far heavier feminist themes than She-Hulk, but it gets nowhere near the amount of backlash that She-Hulk has. And I believe the difference is because 1. The writing in Westworld is way better and 2. The feminist-angle is delivered in subtler fashion without sounding or feeling preachy. And in the end, I think that's what's causing the backlash against She-Hulk. It's not due to it being female-led or even the feminist message it carries, it's more due to the preachy and condescending way it delivers that message combined with the weak writing. The backlash to this show doesn't prove how women are treated, it proves how people react to condescension. P.S. - I love Westworld. I don't see what was wrong about what she said in that episode. In the prologue when she was practising her statement, her male colleague kept downplaying her and reminding her she needed to 'smile more'. Later on after she hulked out the first time when she ended up at the bar, she was hit on by dudes and they kept pestering her on til she hulked out again. She just said that she's been able to control her anger throughout her life because of what she goes through as a woman as demonstrated earlier in the episode. Even then, she only said that to Bruce was because she was frustrated when he suggested she give up part of her life and isolate herself to control her anger and hulk form despite showing him how she demonstrated she could. And shit like this does happen to women in the real world. I've seen it happen myself. I think the issue is that some men hate it when they're put on blast for their actions. I feel like the ones offended by her statement are probably the one who have put down women or treated them different. Let's not pretend that Male entitlement isn't a thing, especially when women are involved. Hell there's men out there who feel entitled to what women do with their bodies, as seen with the recent Roe v Wade issue.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 25, 2022 20:49:54 GMT
I have to disagree with this. Last night I was watching the latest season of Westworld and that show is extremely gynocentric, with far heavier feminist themes than She-Hulk, but it gets nowhere near the amount of backlash that She-Hulk has. And I believe the difference is because 1. The writing in Westworld is way better and 2. The feminist-angle is delivered in subtler fashion without sounding or feeling preachy. And in the end, I think that's what's causing the backlash against She-Hulk. It's not due to it being female-led or even the feminist message it carries, it's more due to the preachy and condescending way it delivers that message combined with the weak writing. The backlash to this show doesn't prove how women are treated, it proves how people react to condescension. P.S. - I love Westworld. I don't see what was wrong about what she said in that episode. In the prologue when she was practising her statement, her male colleague kept downplaying her and reminding her she needed to 'smile more'. Later on after she hulked out the first time when she ended up at the bar, she was hit on by dudes and they kept pestering her on til she hulked out again. She just said that she's been able to control her anger throughout her life because of what she goes through as a woman as demonstrated earlier in the episode. Even then, she only said that to Bruce was because she was frustrated when he suggested she give up part of her life and isolate herself to control her anger and hulk form despite showing him how she demonstrated she could. And shit like this does happen to women in the real world. I've seen it happen myself. I think the issue is that some men hate it when they're put on blast for their actions. I feel like the ones offended by her statement are probably the one who have put down women or treated them different. Let's not pretend that Male entitlement isn't a thing, especially when women are involved. Hell there's men out there who feel entitled to what women do with their bodies, as seen with the recent Roe v Wade issue. Ok, let me see if I can convince you. Let's take that short clip of her explaining her anger control as an example. In that short clip, she tells Bruce in no uncertain terms that she's "infinitely better at controlling her anger than him" because she regularly gets cat-called and mansplained to. Completely disregarding the fact that Bruce has been hunted down like a dog by the military, has literally fought for his life multiple times, have experienced multiple friends and even a lover killed by violence, and has even been brainwashed and had his body controlled by a different conscience and forced to do things he never would have wanted to. He's also undergone very rigid meditation techniques and anger control training since the first Hulk movie, has had mental conditioning training with Black Widow, has needed to constantly battle the Hulk for control of his body, and knows that any time he loses control over his temper he can easily kill dozens if not hundreds of people. I don't think most people would deny that getting cat-called or being mansplained to would test your temper, but to claim that those are worse than everything Bruce has been through? I hope you can see why a LOT of people take issues with this narrative. Then there's the tone she used. She was fairly aggressive and condescending, lecturing Bruce in a way that made it clear she fully felt she was right and he was wrong. She did the exact same thing she complained men did to her. She belittled Bruce's experience, disregarded his input, and lectured him on a topic he was clearly the bigger expert on. Most people don't deny that women have issues but like I said, I don't think that's the problem here. The issue is that if you act like a douchebag, you're going to piss off people. The first episode made its lead character act like a douchebag then doubled-down on it by presenting it as if she was right to do it. That's bound to piss off a lot of people.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 25, 2022 20:57:32 GMT
I don't see what was wrong about what she said in that episode. In the prologue when she was practising her statement, her male colleague kept downplaying her and reminding her she needed to 'smile more'. Later on after she hulked out the first time when she ended up at the bar, she was hit on by dudes and they kept pestering her on til she hulked out again. She just said that she's been able to control her anger throughout her life because of what she goes through as a woman as demonstrated earlier in the episode. Even then, she only said that to Bruce was because she was frustrated when he suggested she give up part of her life and isolate herself to control her anger and hulk form despite showing him how she demonstrated she could. And shit like this does happen to women in the real world. I've seen it happen myself. I think the issue is that some men hate it when they're put on blast for their actions. I feel like the ones offended by her statement are probably the one who have put down women or treated them different. Let's not pretend that Male entitlement isn't a thing, especially when women are involved. Hell there's men out there who feel entitled to what women do with their bodies, as seen with the recent Roe v Wade issue. Ok, let me see if I can convince you. Let's take that short clip of her explaining her anger control as an example. In that short clip, she tells Bruce in no uncertain terms that she's "infinitely better at controlling her anger than him" because she regularly gets cat-called and mansplained to. Completely disregarding the fact that Bruce has been hunted down like a dog by the military, has literally fought for his life multiple times, have experienced multiple friends and even a lover killed by violence, and has even been brainwashed and had his body controlled by a different conscience and forced to do things he never would have wanted to. He's also undergone very rigid meditation techniques since 2008, has had mental conditioning exercises with Black Widow, has needed to constantly battle the Hulk for control of his body, and knows that any time he loses control over his temper he can easily kill dozens if not hundreds of people. I don't think most people would deny that getting cat-called or being mansplained to would test your temper, but to claim that those are worse than everything Bruce has been through? I hope you can see why a LOT of people take issues with this narrative. Then there's the tone she used. She was fairly aggressive and condescending, lecturing Bruce in a way that made it clear she fully felt she was right and he was wrong. She did the exact same thing she complained men did to her. She belittled Bruce's experience, disregarded his input, and lectured him on a topic he was clearly the bigger expert on. Most people don't deny that women have issues but like I said, I don't think that's the problem here. The issue is that if you act like a douchebag, you're going to piss off people. The first episode made its lead character act like a douchebag then doubled-down on it by presenting it as if she was right to do it. That's bound to piss off a lot of people. The line is said when she clearly annoyed with Bruce. It makes sense in context of the scene.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 25, 2022 20:59:38 GMT
Another thing too is that before episode 1 was released, there were people who already decided that they were against the show because of "wokeness"
So I believe her line of dialog was just an excuse by them to hate this series.
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