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Post by kiwi on Sept 5, 2022 23:51:57 GMT
Orioles lose in their own nest. Pretty interesting game, though.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 6, 2022 0:17:01 GMT
Jays are in the zone now. 8 straight road wins, 1 off the franchise record. Bo Bichette is stirring everything up - he's 4 HR & 12 RBI so far in Sept, the 5th. Guy had 3 HR & 11 RBI all of August. I'm not sure what glaring weaknesses this team has, they won't need a 5 man rotation in the post-season.
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 6, 2022 1:56:44 GMT
Astros move to 4,812-4,812 all-time.
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Post by kiwi on Sept 6, 2022 1:57:02 GMT
Jays are in the zone now. 8 straight road wins, 1 off the franchise record. Bo Bichette is stirring everything up - he's 4 HR & 12 RBI so far in Sept, the 5th. Guy had 3 HR & 11 RBI all of August. I'm not sure what glaring weaknesses this team has, they won't need a 5 man rotation in the post-season.
Today's 3rd homer, wow. He was on fire.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Sept 6, 2022 2:49:43 GMT
Orioles lose in their own nest. Pretty interesting game, though. Who is that guy?
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 6, 2022 21:00:34 GMT
I'm surprised. It's never this much of a tell. The only team with a negative run differential still in the playoff hunt is the White Sox at -26. The only team with a positive run differential not in the playoff hunt is the Giants at +8. MLB Run Differential
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 7, 2022 21:00:30 GMT
Oops! Sorry I didn't see this thread and I started a duplicate one. I'll change the heading
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 7, 2022 21:02:21 GMT
Judge 55th HR this afternoon.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 7, 2022 23:12:23 GMT
Why is Camden Yards devoid of fans?? 8400 fans last night??
I thought this was a playoff push... or are they moving to Oakland.
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Post by flyerzzrul on Sept 8, 2022 3:12:25 GMT
Pujols just a couple feet short of #695. If only he had never left and they were all hit as a Cardinal. Don’t you think that if he never let he’d have even more and possibly chasing the record?
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Post by SportsFan19 on Sept 8, 2022 5:45:40 GMT
Pujols just a couple feet short of #695. If only he had never left and they were all hit as a Cardinal. Don’t you think that if he never let he’d have even more and possibly chasing the record? No, Bush is not a great hitters park, and we wouldn't have Goldy, but he'd be the all time leader in practically every category.
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Sept 8, 2022 6:34:14 GMT
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Post by tristramshandy on Sept 9, 2022 5:05:50 GMT
This is pretty amazing to me:
Most starts in MLB history as battery mates:
T1: Mickey Lolich and Bill Freehan - 324 T1: Adam Wainwright and Yadir Molina - 324
IMO, that's not some insignificant stat.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 9, 2022 13:40:36 GMT
This is pretty amazing to me: Most starts in MLB history as battery mates: T1: Mickey Lolich and Bill Freehan - 324 T1: Adam Wainwright and Yadir Molina - 324 IMO, that's not some insignificant stat. I knew Wainwright and Molina had tied the record but I never thought Lolich and Freehan had the record. I would have thought some pre WWI battery where the pitcher made 50-60 starts a season.
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 9, 2022 14:03:52 GMT
This is pretty amazing to me: Most starts in MLB history as battery mates: T1: Mickey Lolich and Bill Freehan - 324 T1: Adam Wainwright and Yadir Molina - 324 IMO, that's not some insignificant stat. I knew Wainwright and Molina had tied the record but I never thought Lolich and Freehan had the record. I would have thought some pre WWI battery where the pitcher made 50-60 starts a season.
From a 2018 Tigers site, where apparently Waino/Molina do not exist. 1. 324 games – Mickey Lolich & Bill Freehan, 1963-75 Tigers Mickey and Bill’s most famous start was Game Seven of the 1968 World Series when Lolich pitched, completed, and won his third game of the Fall Classic. These two came up together in the Detroit farm system and became regulars in 1963, beginning a partnership that lasted 13 seasons in the Motor City. This is the only one of the top ten batteries that does not include at least one Hall of Fame player. 2. 316 games – Warren Spahn & Del Crandall, 1949-63 Braves This pair teamed up in Boston and (after the Braves relocated) in Milwaukee too, where they helped the club to a pair of pennants and one title. Spahn’s professional baseball career began in 1940, he missed three full years while he was a soldier in World War II, he fought through Europe as part of a munitions team that blew up bridges. He saw heavy combat. When he was 25 he returned to the Braves and won eight games. The Hall of Famer won twenty games 13 times, ten times after his 30th birthday. He was the best “old” pitcher in baseball history and retired with more wins than any lefty in history. He still holds the record. Crandall debuted when he was only a few months past his 19th birthday, becoming the youngest starting catcher in history. He was a bit like Ivan Rodriguez behind the plate: he liked to bounce around, stay nimble, throw behind runners and try to pick them off base. That was unusual for his era. 3. 306 games – Red Faber & Ray Schalk, 1914-26 White Sox Like Lolich and Freehan, this pair came up at basically the same time, in the dusty years of the deadball era. Schalk ended up in the Hall of Fame, he was a peppery player who took control of the defense from behind the dish. Faber is also in the Hall, a spitball specialist who won 254 games. Both Faber and Schalk were honest players on the infamous 1919 “Black Sox” team. 4. 283 games – Don Drysdale & John Roseboro, 1957-67 Dodgers Roseboro started with Sandy Koufax 208 games, making him one of only four catchers to team with two or more pitchers in at least 200 games. The other four are Del Crandall, Bill Dickey, and Jim Hegan. This pair appeared in four World Series together, the most by a National League battery. 5. 282 games – Red Ruffing & Bill Dickey, 1930-46 Yankees Both Ruffing and Dickey are in the Hall of Fame, they appeared in seven World Series as a battery. Ruffing was shuffling along with the Red Sox, unremarkable on the mound until the Yankees traded for him. He changed his delivery and also benefited from better teammates, winning twenty games in four consecutive seasons and tacking on seven more wins in the Fall Classic. 6. 270 games – Steve Rogers & Gary Carter, 1975-84 Expos Carter was drafted as a shortstop by the Expos and learned how to catch in the minor leagues. Carter was a fantastic athlete (he was offered a scholarship to play quarterback at USC) and worked hard to become a Gold Glove catcher. Rogers had a very nice career but he usually pitched for mediocre teams, which is why his career record is a non-secy 158-152 for 13 seasons, all in Montreal. The highlight of Rogers’ career came in Game Five of the 1981 Playoffs against the Phillies when he fired a six-hut shutout to advance the Expos to the LCS. 7. 264 games – Bob Lemon & Jim Hegan, 1946-57 Indians The next two batteries are from the Indians teams that featured a great pitching staff. The Tribe had Lemon, Wynn, Bob Feller, and Mike Garcia together for several years. The Feller/Hegan combo ranks 11th with 240 games together. Hegan is the only catcher who caught at least 200 games for three different pitchers. All three of those pitchers (Lemon, Wynn, and Feller) are in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Hegan was a fine defensive catcher but he couldn’t hit a lick. He never once hit as high as .250 in a season, his career mark was a lowly .228, and it wasn’t just that: he walked infrequently and he didn’t have much power. He made the All-Star team five times solely for his glove and with him behind the plate the Indians won flags in ’48 and ’54. In the 1948 World Series he surprised everyone by hitting a home run. 8. 250 games – Early Wynn & Jim Hegan, 1949-57 Indians If you wanted to find the most ornery pitcher in the history of baseball, Wynn would make the short list. He was known for pitching inside and for his nastiness on the days he pitched. “I’d knock down my own grandmother if she dug in on me,” Wynn once said. 9. 248 games – Tom Glavine & Javy Lopez, 1994-2002 Braves In all the years the southpaw Glavine was teaming with Lopez, the Braves also had Greg Maddux, but Lopez didn’t catch Maddux because the ace had his own personal catcher. Usually it was Eddie Perez or Paul Bako, anyone but Lopez. Maddux didn’t like the way he and Javy worked together and demanded he pitch to anyone else. Manager Bobby Cox had no problem listening to his four-time Cy Young Award winning pitcher. 10. 247 games – Lefty Gomez & Bill Dickey, 1931-42 Yankees Gomez was the left-side complement to Ruffing, starting seven times in the World Series, going a perfect 6-0. He was a silly guy, a cut-up, a clown. On the Yankees in the 1930s that was unusual, the other stars on the team were boring. Lou Gehrig was very shy and quiet, Bill Dickey liked to recede into the background, and Joe DiMaggio had a stick up his ass. But Gomez played pranks and laughed a lot. As a result he earned the nickname “Goofy”. Dickey had the fortune of playing in Yankee Stadium where the short right field fence helped him immensely. He has one of the biggest home run differentials in history, having hit 67 percent of his career home runs at home, many of them down the short right field line at Yankee Stadium. But Dickey was a fine hitter on the road too, posting a .308 batting average and .468 slugging percentage away from The Bronx. Lefty Gomez, the great Yankee pitcher and purveyor of nicknames, called Dickey “The Man Nobody Knew” after a group of fans neglected to recognize the All-Star catcher during a night out in New York City with teammates. The name never stuck, but Dickey didn’t mind, he liked being anonymous in the shadows of his more famous Yankee teammates. Other Tigers batteries over 200 games: Jack Morris and Lance Parrish worked together 207 times from 1978 to 1986.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 9, 2022 14:23:33 GMT
I knew Wainwright and Molina had tied the record but I never thought Lolich and Freehan had the record. I would have thought some pre WWI battery where the pitcher made 50-60 starts a season.
From a 2018 Tigers site, where apparently Waino/Molina do not exist. 1. 324 games – Mickey Lolich & Bill Freehan, 1963-75 Tigers Mickey and Bill’s most famous start was Game Seven of the 1968 World Series when Lolich pitched, completed, and won his third game of the Fall Classic. These two came up together in the Detroit farm system and became regulars in 1963, beginning a partnership that lasted 13 seasons in the Motor City. This is the only one of the top ten batteries that does not include at least one Hall of Fame player. 2. 316 games – Warren Spahn & Del Crandall, 1949-63 Braves This pair teamed up in Boston and (after the Braves relocated) in Milwaukee too, where they helped the club to a pair of pennants and one title. Spahn’s professional baseball career began in 1940, he missed three full years while he was a soldier in World War II, he fought through Europe as part of a munitions team that blew up bridges. He saw heavy combat. When he was 25 he returned to the Braves and won eight games. The Hall of Famer won twenty games 13 times, ten times after his 30th birthday. He was the best “old” pitcher in baseball history and retired with more wins than any lefty in history. He still holds the record. Crandall debuted when he was only a few months past his 19th birthday, becoming the youngest starting catcher in history. He was a bit like Ivan Rodriguez behind the plate: he liked to bounce around, stay nimble, throw behind runners and try to pick them off base. That was unusual for his era. 3. 306 games – Red Faber & Ray Schalk, 1914-26 White Sox Like Lolich and Freehan, this pair came up at basically the same time, in the dusty years of the deadball era. Schalk ended up in the Hall of Fame, he was a peppery player who took control of the defense from behind the dish. Faber is also in the Hall, a spitball specialist who won 254 games. Both Faber and Schalk were honest players on the infamous 1919 “Black Sox” team. 4. 283 games – Don Drysdale & John Roseboro, 1957-67 Dodgers Roseboro started with Sandy Koufax 208 games, making him one of only four catchers to team with two or more pitchers in at least 200 games. The other four are Del Crandall, Bill Dickey, and Jim Hegan. This pair appeared in four World Series together, the most by a National League battery. 5. 282 games – Red Ruffing & Bill Dickey, 1930-46 Yankees Both Ruffing and Dickey are in the Hall of Fame, they appeared in seven World Series as a battery. Ruffing was shuffling along with the Red Sox, unremarkable on the mound until the Yankees traded for him. He changed his delivery and also benefited from better teammates, winning twenty games in four consecutive seasons and tacking on seven more wins in the Fall Classic. 6. 270 games – Steve Rogers & Gary Carter, 1975-84 Expos Carter was drafted as a shortstop by the Expos and learned how to catch in the minor leagues. Carter was a fantastic athlete (he was offered a scholarship to play quarterback at USC) and worked hard to become a Gold Glove catcher. Rogers had a very nice career but he usually pitched for mediocre teams, which is why his career record is a non-secy 158-152 for 13 seasons, all in Montreal. The highlight of Rogers’ career came in Game Five of the 1981 Playoffs against the Phillies when he fired a six-hut shutout to advance the Expos to the LCS. 7. 264 games – Bob Lemon & Jim Hegan, 1946-57 Indians The next two batteries are from the Indians teams that featured a great pitching staff. The Tribe had Lemon, Wynn, Bob Feller, and Mike Garcia together for several years. The Feller/Hegan combo ranks 11th with 240 games together. Hegan is the only catcher who caught at least 200 games for three different pitchers. All three of those pitchers (Lemon, Wynn, and Feller) are in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Hegan was a fine defensive catcher but he couldn’t hit a lick. He never once hit as high as .250 in a season, his career mark was a lowly .228, and it wasn’t just that: he walked infrequently and he didn’t have much power. He made the All-Star team five times solely for his glove and with him behind the plate the Indians won flags in ’48 and ’54. In the 1948 World Series he surprised everyone by hitting a home run. 8. 250 games – Early Wynn & Jim Hegan, 1949-57 Indians If you wanted to find the most ornery pitcher in the history of baseball, Wynn would make the short list. He was known for pitching inside and for his nastiness on the days he pitched. “I’d knock down my own grandmother if she dug in on me,” Wynn once said. 9. 248 games – Tom Glavine & Javy Lopez, 1994-2002 Braves In all the years the southpaw Glavine was teaming with Lopez, the Braves also had Greg Maddux, but Lopez didn’t catch Maddux because the ace had his own personal catcher. Usually it was Eddie Perez or Paul Bako, anyone but Lopez. Maddux didn’t like the way he and Javy worked together and demanded he pitch to anyone else. Manager Bobby Cox had no problem listening to his four-time Cy Young Award winning pitcher. 10. 247 games – Lefty Gomez & Bill Dickey, 1931-42 Yankees Gomez was the left-side complement to Ruffing, starting seven times in the World Series, going a perfect 6-0. He was a silly guy, a cut-up, a clown. On the Yankees in the 1930s that was unusual, the other stars on the team were boring. Lou Gehrig was very shy and quiet, Bill Dickey liked to recede into the background, and Joe DiMaggio had a stick up his ass. But Gomez played pranks and laughed a lot. As a result he earned the nickname “Goofy”. Dickey had the fortune of playing in Yankee Stadium where the short right field fence helped him immensely. He has one of the biggest home run differentials in history, having hit 67 percent of his career home runs at home, many of them down the short right field line at Yankee Stadium. But Dickey was a fine hitter on the road too, posting a .308 batting average and .468 slugging percentage away from The Bronx. Lefty Gomez, the great Yankee pitcher and purveyor of nicknames, called Dickey “The Man Nobody Knew” after a group of fans neglected to recognize the All-Star catcher during a night out in New York City with teammates. The name never stuck, but Dickey didn’t mind, he liked being anonymous in the shadows of his more famous Yankee teammates. Other Tigers batteries over 200 games: Jack Morris and Lance Parrish worked together 207 times from 1978 to 1986. Cool list. No 19th Century pitchers. I'm wondering if it's a case of no 19th Century pitchers just didn't make the list of if it's baseball taking those pitching records with a grain of salt. Ask any baseball fan who holds the single season strikeout record and the majority will say Nolan Ryan. But Ryan's 383 k's is 130 shy of the real record. As it should be, pitching was a completely different beast in 1886 than it was in 1973, let alone 2022.
Bill Dickey makes the list twice. Vernon Gomez was right, he was "The Man Nobody Knew". A great catcher, somewhat forgotten by history. Gomez wasn't the idiot history makes him out to be. "I'd rather be lucky than good" is a very wise statement.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 9, 2022 14:38:36 GMT
MLB is voting today on a plethora of rule changes. The pitch clock, 15 seconds if bases are empty, 20 in not. Ending the defensive shifts. Keeping batters inside the box and pitchers on the mound. I hope they vote all of them in. Even myself, a huge fan, is sick of the practice of 10 minutes between pitches. The batter steps out, readjusts his batting gloves (even if he didn't swing), adjusts his athletic supporter, scopes out the girls in the stands and moseys back in. While the pitcher takes four laps around the mound, studies the fielder like a general before battle, checks out the girls in the stands and moseys back on the hill. Watch a game from the 60's or 70's on YouTube and see how much more engaging the game was when this nonsense didn't happen. I guess I'm in favor of doing away with the shift. For the life of me, I can't see how a major league hitter can't adjust his stance and hit away from the shift. Hell, I could do it.
But baseball doesn't have a sterling record of doing what it beneficial to the sport.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Sept 9, 2022 14:45:25 GMT
MLB is voting today on a plethora of rule changes. The pitch clock, 15 seconds if bases are empty, 20 in not. Ending the defensive shifts. Keeping batters inside the box and pitchers on the mound. I hope they vote all of them in. Even myself, a huge fan, is sick of the practice of 10 minutes between pitches. The batter steps out, readjusts his batting gloves (even if he didn't swing), adjusts his athletic supporter, scopes out the girls in the stands and moseys back in. While the pitcher takes four laps around the mound, studies the fielder like a general before battle, checks out the girls in the stands and moseys back on the hill. Watch a game from the 60's or 70's on YouTube and see how much more engaging the game was when this nonsense didn't happen. I guess I'm in favor of doing away with the shift. For the life of me, I can't see how a major league hitter can't adjust his stance and hit away from the shift. Hell, I could do it. But baseball doesn't have a sterling record of doing what it beneficial to the sport. I'm all for the pitch clocks and for keeping the batter in the box. You have to wonder, if rules like that were in place 20 years ago, guys like Nomar Garciaparra and David Wright (each of whom had a tick-fueled routine of adjusting their gloves multiple times, fixing their helmet, wiping their brow and flexing their forearms in between every pitch) might have flamed out in the minors. I'm not in favor of banning shifts though, that's kinda dumb. Jeff McNeil and Brandon Nimmo have no issue poking the ball through the infield holes, just because Ryan Howard's career ended over it means teams can't play defense?
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 9, 2022 14:51:25 GMT
MLB is voting today on a plethora of rule changes. The pitch clock, 15 seconds if bases are empty, 20 in not. Ending the defensive shifts. Keeping batters inside the box and pitchers on the mound. I hope they vote all of them in. Even myself, a huge fan, is sick of the practice of 10 minutes between pitches. The batter steps out, readjusts his batting gloves (even if he didn't swing), adjusts his athletic supporter, scopes out the girls in the stands and moseys back in. While the pitcher takes four laps around the mound, studies the fielder like a general before battle, checks out the girls in the stands and moseys back on the hill. Watch a game from the 60's or 70's on YouTube and see how much more engaging the game was when this nonsense didn't happen. I guess I'm in favor of doing away with the shift. For the life of me, I can't see how a major league hitter can't adjust his stance and hit away from the shift. Hell, I could do it. But baseball doesn't have a sterling record of doing what it beneficial to the sport. I'm all for the pitch clocks and for keeping the batter in the box. You have to wonder, if rules like that were in place 20 years ago, guys like Nomar Garciaparra and David Wright (each of whom had a tick-fueled routine of adjusting their gloves multiple times, fixing their helmet, wiping their brow and flexing their forearms in between every pitch) might have flamed out in the minors. I'm not in favor of banning shifts though, that's kinda dumb. Jeff McNeil and Brandon Nimmo have no issue poking the ball through the infield holes, just because Ryan Howard's career ended over it means teams can't play defense? Yup. I am not for banning the shifts either. These are professional hitters. They should be able to poke the ball against the shift instead of aiming for the wall every time.
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 9, 2022 14:53:53 GMT
MLB is voting today on a plethora of rule changes. The pitch clock, 15 seconds if bases are empty, 20 in not. Ending the defensive shifts. Keeping batters inside the box and pitchers on the mound. I hope they vote all of them in. Even myself, a huge fan, is sick of the practice of 10 minutes between pitches. The batter steps out, readjusts his batting gloves (even if he didn't swing), adjusts his athletic supporter, scopes out the girls in the stands and moseys back in. While the pitcher takes four laps around the mound, studies the fielder like a general before battle, checks out the girls in the stands and moseys back on the hill. Watch a game from the 60's or 70's on YouTube and see how much more engaging the game was when this nonsense didn't happen. I guess I'm in favor of doing away with the shift. For the life of me, I can't see how a major league hitter can't adjust his stance and hit away from the shift. Hell, I could do it. But baseball doesn't have a sterling record of doing what it beneficial to the sport. No mentioning of the stupid extra inning ghost runner? I guess MLB love it.
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