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Post by clusium on Dec 21, 2022 12:57:39 GMT
There are several reasons why they were not crazy. I can assure you that the Catholic Church treats such claims regarding visionaries with a kind of skepticism that would put St. Thomas to shame. It usually takes decades (if not centuries) to determine who was authentic & who wasn't. The Catholic Church has a religious institution to maintain. The Bible does say that after Jesus, all revelation from God is closed. This is why Protestants reject all visionaries. The Bible also teaches that the Holy Spirit Gives Revelation to people. Messages From God post the Holy Bible is known as Private Revelation.
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 21, 2022 21:17:57 GMT
The Catholic Church has a religious institution to maintain. The Bible does say that after Jesus, all revelation from God is closed. This is why Protestants reject all visionaries. The Bible also teaches that the Holy Spirit Gives Revelation to people. Messages From God post the Holy Bible is known as Private Revelation. That’s not revelation.
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 22, 2022 20:31:41 GMT
Nope. He is NOT. The Holy Bible is LYING! Wrong. Nope. I'm right!
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Post by clusium on Dec 23, 2022 5:57:09 GMT
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 23, 2022 14:17:24 GMT
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Post by clusium on Dec 23, 2022 14:38:39 GMT
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Post by general313 on Dec 25, 2022 1:09:24 GMT
Why don't you settle it by flipping a coin?
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Post by clusium on Dec 25, 2022 3:44:34 GMT
Why don't you settle it by flipping a coin? Good idea: Heads, I win. Tails, captainbryce loses....?
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 25, 2022 20:03:36 GMT
Why don't you settle it by flipping a coin? But it was already settled. One of us has a rational argument and the other has fallacies, a bible, and her head in the sand. 🤷🏽♂️ It’s just shits and giggles right now!
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 25, 2022 21:01:25 GMT
I chose “Atheist” but could have picked “Other” as well. My upbringing was as a church-goer, in my University days I thought about religious ministry. Marrying and raising children for many, many years we all attended and participated in a church. I sincerely recited the Apostle’s Creed. But deep down, in my academic mind (I had done a lot of reading and a little grad school training in theology), my knowledge of how the gospels came to be written and who the real, earthly Jesus might have been, I knew that Christianity had been made up. Still, I sometimes describe myself as a Christian but without the supernatural. No God in Heaven with Jesus at his right hand taking a personal interest in me. Yet, it is more than “Jesus was a great teacher of ethics.” To me, although mythical, he is almost like a fictional character who is so well conceived that he seems almost real. That is the Jesus I look up to but not the “personal savior” nor the 21st century extreme right-wing fascist bigot who always voted for the ex-president. I hope I have managed to offend and alienate all other sides to this issue.
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Post by clusium on Dec 26, 2022 2:17:58 GMT
Why don't you settle it by flipping a coin? But it was already settled. One of us has a rational argument and the other has fallacies, a bible, and her head in the sand. 🤷🏽♂️ It’s just shits and giggles right now! The one that had the rational argument was moi.
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 26, 2022 6:02:52 GMT
But it was already settled. One of us has a rational argument and the other has fallacies, a bible, and her head in the sand. 🤷🏽♂️ It’s just shits and giggles right now! The one that had the rational argument was moi. All you have is an English translation of an ancient book.
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 26, 2022 6:04:19 GMT
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Post by clusium on Dec 26, 2022 12:19:12 GMT
The one that had the rational argument was moi. All you have is an English translation of an ancient book. We also have the Church Fathers, Doctors, & philosophers of our faith.
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Post by Catman on Dec 26, 2022 12:21:25 GMT
It's all a conspiracy by lagomorphs for some reason.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 26, 2022 12:34:38 GMT
All you have is an English translation of an ancient book. We also have the Church Fathers, Doctors, & philosophers of our faith. All of whom form a circle-jerk of shared delusion, which no one outside of that circle finds convincing. This is in contrast to every other discipline which focuses on verifiable, objective reality--what they reveal is convincing to outsiders, who can at any time look for themselves to verify that what is being discussed is real, and that the conclusions do indeed follow from the evidence.
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 26, 2022 14:41:56 GMT
All you have is an English translation of an ancient book. We also have the Church Fathers, Doctors, & philosophers of our faith. Who pretty much wrote the New Testament from scratch by redacting the bits and pieces of the Old Testament to make Jesus fit the new religious cult.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 26, 2022 15:23:32 GMT
We also have the Church Fathers, Doctors, & philosophers of our faith. All of whom form a circle-jerk of shared delusion, which no one outside of that circle finds convincing. This is in contrast to every other discipline which focuses on verifiable, objective reality--what they reveal is convincing to outsiders, who can at any time look for themselves to verify that what is being discussed is real, and that the conclusions do indeed follow from the evidence. You could write the same thing about "global warming," and it would still apply.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 26, 2022 16:58:27 GMT
All of whom form a circle-jerk of shared delusion, which no one outside of that circle finds convincing. This is in contrast to every other discipline which focuses on verifiable, objective reality--what they reveal is convincing to outsiders, who can at any time look for themselves to verify that what is being discussed is real, and that the conclusions do indeed follow from the evidence. You could write the same thing about "global warming," and it would still apply. No it wouldn't, because the data and analysis showing we are heating the planet up is public and can be fully verified by anyone willing to take the time, at any level of depth you have the interest to pursue.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 26, 2022 17:02:56 GMT
You could write the same thing about "global warming," and it would still apply. No it wouldn't, because the data and analysis showing we are heating the planet up is public and can be fully verified by anyone willing to take the time, at any level of depth you have the interest to pursue. Baloney. The data is falsified as needed. The ice at the North Pole never melted by 2014. It has receded, but it's still there. And at the South Pole there was more ice than ever. It's a cult. Data and analysis.....who outside the cult do you think you're fooling with that?
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