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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 20:40:35 GMT
Figured we’d need one of these.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 8, 2022 20:42:16 GMT
Not going to lie, I completely forgot that this movie comes out Friday.
For whatever reason i thought it was either next Friday or the Friday after Thanksgiving.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 20:43:17 GMT
I haven’t read spoilers for anything but the post credit scene. Apparently… (And I’ll put this in spoiler tags since the movie isn’t out yet) TChalla had a son with Nakia. Supposedly this was part of the original script. But I wonder if they’re gonna use the son as the protagonist in movie 3. His name is apparently even TChalla! This could be kind of a sly way of recasting after all.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 9, 2022 4:12:43 GMT
I heard that they don’t mention Atlantis. Is that true? Is it because Namor is Mexican now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 19:13:05 GMT
I heard that they don’t mention Atlantis. Is that true? Is it because Namor is Mexican now? Yes. It has a different name. I think that’s a smart move though. Atlantis is synonymous with Aquaman.
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Post by merh on Nov 10, 2022 0:04:05 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 10, 2022 0:05:39 GMT
Wakanda thread is this?
Shuri, you dont think this is Okye.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 1:05:50 GMT
Wakanda thread is this? Shuri, you dont think this is Okye. I just don’t care naymore!
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Post by merh on Nov 12, 2022 1:20:22 GMT
Damn Shiri
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Nov 12, 2022 5:08:51 GMT
Pretty epic, and to be honest I came away liking it more than I liked the original upon first viewing.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 12, 2022 5:28:22 GMT
I wasn't sure what to expect going in, but I really enjoyed this. It's a little strange that the villain's plan and motivation are basically identical to Killmonger's, but without the personal connection. It gives Namor a relatable plight, but it seems a tad repetitive.
It's much more of a superhero drama than an action movie, and very female-oriented. Other than Namor, all of the central characters are women. It takes a long time to even notice it, and when you do you don't roll your eyes, because it doesn't hit you over the head with cringey 'girl power' moments. They just let the characters tell the story and it works wonderfully.
Coogler doesn't seem a like a particularly gifted action director. A lot of the shots setting up the action were incredible, though. The music was great, the characters were engaging, and I thought they dealt with the loss of Boseman in both a classy and clever way. It reminded me of that old comic story featuring the death of Captain Mar-Vell from cancer. They only address it essentially after the fact in the film, but it's such a poignant theme. Everyone has lost someone to a terminal condition, and it's something you can't punch, laser blast or outthink. Sometimes loved ones die, and there's nothing you can do about it.
I haven't read anything with Riri Williams, so I didn't have a strong connection to the character. Personalitywise I thought she was fun, but she's just Iron Man Jr, and Shuri Jr, for that matter. Did the story need her? Could've saved her for a Young Avengers type story. Nice to see Val again, looking forward to that character having a larger presence.
Loved the Killmonger cameo, great way to bring back a fantastic character. It added an element of tension as the movie played out and you weren't sure which way Shuri was leaning. I did think the final appearance of Ramonda's spirit was unnecessary and took away from Shuri's arc. To me it works better if Shuri just has a few flashbacks and sees the light so to speak. To have Ramonda looking over her shoulder basically telling her to behave takes away Shuri's agency. It makes it look like she was just listening to her mother as opposed to making the honorable decision on her own.
Ultimately, Namor accomplished what he set out to do from the beginning, forge an uneasy alliance with Wakanda in what he believes is an inevitable war with the surface world. I didn't think he was as charismatic or full of bravado as the character in the comics; more of a ruthless politician than anything else. It wasn't his movie, and he was the villain after all, but I hope they expand on his character going forward and make him a little more likable, hero or not.
I'm still not sure why it was necessary to pivot away from Atlantis and rename the undersea culture. What I don't love about the spin they put on (whatever the culture was called), is that this is essentially the storyline of the Inhumans. An advanced civilization, hidden from the general population of the world. I don't know if we'll ever see the Inhumans now. What would their backstory be, and what separates them from Wakanda or (not)Atlantis?
A minor nitpick, I didn't like Okoye getting a power suit. She doesn't need one. Yeah I get that she needed a boost because the Atlanteans are superhuman and she isn't, but the other characters didn't all get powersuits and they held their own. It begs the question that cynics always asked about the Avengers-- why doesn't Tony just make IM suits for everyone? The answer is because it would be boring. Each character should have their own powerset, aesthetic, fighting style etc, because it's more fun that way. Okoye is a great h2h fighter, it was kind of lame seeing her fly around in a two bit mech.
Another thought I had tonight. While this movie certainly felt connected to the MCU, it still felt very self-contained. They've done a good job focusing on the characters' individual journeys here in phase four, like they did in the early days of the MCU. The big crossover events will come, and when they do, they'll be awesome. But let's invest in these characters on the ground floor and build our way up to the big stuff. Saw the Quantumania trailer on the big screen tonight, and the main event is definitely on its way.
All in all, Wakanda Forever is an excellent MCU film, easily the class of Phase Four. (This is still phase four, right?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 18:23:23 GMT
I wasn't sure what to expect going in, but I really enjoyed this. It's a little strange that the villain's plan and motivation are basically identical to Killmonger's, but without the personal connection. It gives Namor a relatable plight, but it seems a tad repetitive. It's much more of a superhero drama than an action movie, and very female-oriented. Other than Namor, all of the central characters are women. It takes a long time to even notice it, and when you do you don't roll your eyes, because it doesn't hit you over the head with cringey 'girl power' moments. They just let the characters tell the story and it works wonderfully. Coogler doesn't seem a like a particularly gifted action director. A lot of the shots setting up the action were incredible, though. The music was great, the characters were engaging, and I thought they dealt with the loss of Boseman in both a classy and clever way. It reminded me of that old comic story featuring the death of Captain Mar-Vell from cancer. They only address it essentially after the fact in the film, but it's such a poignant theme. Everyone has lost someone to a terminal condition, and it's something you can't punch, laser blast or outthink. Sometimes loved ones die, and there's nothing you can do about it. I haven't read anything with Riri Williams, so I didn't have a strong connection to the character. Personalitywise I thought she was fun, but she's just Iron Man Jr, and Shuri Jr, for that matter. Did the story need her? Could've saved her for a Young Avengers type story. Nice to see Val again, looking forward to that character having a larger presence. Loved the Killmonger cameo, great way to bring back a fantastic character. It added an element of tension as the movie played out and you weren't sure which way Shuri was leaning. I did think the final appearance of Ramonda's spirit was unnecessary and took away from Shuri's arc. To me it works better if Shuri just has a few flashbacks and sees the light so to speak. To have Ramonda looking over her shoulder basically telling her to behave takes away Shuri's agency. It makes it look like she was just listening to her mother as opposed to making the honorable decision on her own. Ultimately, Namor accomplished what he set out to do from the beginning, forge an uneasy alliance with Wakanda in what he believes is an inevitable war with the surface world. I didn't think he was as charismatic or full of bravado as the character in the comics; more of a ruthless politician than anything else. It wasn't his movie, and he was the villain after all, but I hope they expand on his character going forward and make him a little more likable, hero or not. I'm still not sure why it was necessary to pivot away from Atlantis and rename the undersea culture. What I don't love about the spin they put on (whatever the culture was called), is that this is essentially the storyline of the Inhumans. An advanced civilization, hidden from the general population of the world. I don't know if we'll ever see the Inhumans now. What would their backstory be, and what separates them from Wakanda or (not)Atlantis? A minor nitpick, I didn't like Okoye getting a power suit. She doesn't need one. Yeah I get that she needed a boost because the Atlanteans are superhuman and she isn't, but the other characters didn't all get powersuits and they held their own. It begs the question that cynics always asked about the Avengers-- why doesn't Tony just make IM suits for everyone? The answer is because it would be boring. Each character should have their own powerset, aesthetic, fighting style etc, because it's more fun that way. Okoye is a great h2h fighter, it was kind of lame seeing her fly around in a two bit mech. Another thought I had tonight. While this movie certainly felt connected to the MCU, it still felt very self-contained. They've done a good job focusing on the characters' individual journeys here in phase four, like they did in the early days of the MCU. The big crossover events will come, and when they do, they'll be awesome. But let's invest in these characters on the ground floor and build our way up to the big stuff. Saw the Quantumania trailer on the big screen tonight, and the main event is definitely on its way. All in all, Wakanda Forever is an excellent MCU film, easily the class of Phase Four. (This is still phase four, right?) Excellent review! Do we see a lot of Not-Atlantis? Or is it just shown in the flashbacks?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 12, 2022 19:45:39 GMT
I wasn't sure what to expect going in, but I really enjoyed this. It's a little strange that the villain's plan and motivation are basically identical to Killmonger's, but without the personal connection. It gives Namor a relatable plight, but it seems a tad repetitive. It's much more of a superhero drama than an action movie, and very female-oriented. Other than Namor, all of the central characters are women. It takes a long time to even notice it, and when you do you don't roll your eyes, because it doesn't hit you over the head with cringey 'girl power' moments. They just let the characters tell the story and it works wonderfully. Coogler doesn't seem a like a particularly gifted action director. A lot of the shots setting up the action were incredible, though. The music was great, the characters were engaging, and I thought they dealt with the loss of Boseman in both a classy and clever way. It reminded me of that old comic story featuring the death of Captain Mar-Vell from cancer. They only address it essentially after the fact in the film, but it's such a poignant theme. Everyone has lost someone to a terminal condition, and it's something you can't punch, laser blast or outthink. Sometimes loved ones die, and there's nothing you can do about it. I haven't read anything with Riri Williams, so I didn't have a strong connection to the character. Personalitywise I thought she was fun, but she's just Iron Man Jr, and Shuri Jr, for that matter. Did the story need her? Could've saved her for a Young Avengers type story. Nice to see Val again, looking forward to that character having a larger presence. Loved the Killmonger cameo, great way to bring back a fantastic character. It added an element of tension as the movie played out and you weren't sure which way Shuri was leaning. I did think the final appearance of Ramonda's spirit was unnecessary and took away from Shuri's arc. To me it works better if Shuri just has a few flashbacks and sees the light so to speak. To have Ramonda looking over her shoulder basically telling her to behave takes away Shuri's agency. It makes it look like she was just listening to her mother as opposed to making the honorable decision on her own. Ultimately, Namor accomplished what he set out to do from the beginning, forge an uneasy alliance with Wakanda in what he believes is an inevitable war with the surface world. I didn't think he was as charismatic or full of bravado as the character in the comics; more of a ruthless politician than anything else. It wasn't his movie, and he was the villain after all, but I hope they expand on his character going forward and make him a little more likable, hero or not. I'm still not sure why it was necessary to pivot away from Atlantis and rename the undersea culture. What I don't love about the spin they put on (whatever the culture was called), is that this is essentially the storyline of the Inhumans. An advanced civilization, hidden from the general population of the world. I don't know if we'll ever see the Inhumans now. What would their backstory be, and what separates them from Wakanda or (not)Atlantis? A minor nitpick, I didn't like Okoye getting a power suit. She doesn't need one. Yeah I get that she needed a boost because the Atlanteans are superhuman and she isn't, but the other characters didn't all get powersuits and they held their own. It begs the question that cynics always asked about the Avengers-- why doesn't Tony just make IM suits for everyone? The answer is because it would be boring. Each character should have their own powerset, aesthetic, fighting style etc, because it's more fun that way. Okoye is a great h2h fighter, it was kind of lame seeing her fly around in a two bit mech. Another thought I had tonight. While this movie certainly felt connected to the MCU, it still felt very self-contained. They've done a good job focusing on the characters' individual journeys here in phase four, like they did in the early days of the MCU. The big crossover events will come, and when they do, they'll be awesome. But let's invest in these characters on the ground floor and build our way up to the big stuff. Saw the Quantumania trailer on the big screen tonight, and the main event is definitely on its way. All in all, Wakanda Forever is an excellent MCU film, easily the class of Phase Four. (This is still phase four, right?) This is the final theatrical release film of phase 4.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 12, 2022 23:23:27 GMT
Excellent review! Do we see a lot of Not-Atlantis? Or is it just shown in the flashbacks? Thanks, I didn't realize how much I rambled on until I was done. There's one sequence where Shuri takes a tour of non-Atlantis. It's pretty cool, but I think deliberately low-key as opposed to the lavishness of Aquaman Atlantis. It's neat, but it doesn't blow you away or anything. By comparison, Wakanda seems much more fun. But you only see it for a short time, so I'm sure they can expand on it going forward.
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Post by Archelaus on Nov 13, 2022 2:08:50 GMT
Awful movie. Too many black women. Action was s---. Namor sucks and nowhere as evil as Killmonger. Angela Bassett (God bless her) couldn't save this turkey of a script. I'm done with Marvel. 1/10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 3:54:36 GMT
Awful movie. Too many black women. Action was s---. Namor sucks and nowhere as evil as Killmonger. Angela Bassett (God bless her) couldn't save this turkey of a script. I'm done with Marvel. 1/10 You got a set limit for how many are acceptable?
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Nov 13, 2022 4:19:39 GMT
Awful movie. Too many black women. Action was s---. Namor sucks and nowhere as evil as Killmonger. Angela Bassett (God bless her) couldn't save this turkey of a script. I'm done with Marvel. 1/10 I have no words.
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 13, 2022 5:02:02 GMT
Just got back from seeing it Had to fuck around for an hour because all the earlier shows were sold out.
I don't know what is particularly "woke" about the movie (I've seen/heard some people calling it woke). All and all it was a well balanced movie. It being a longer movie than normal, but it didn't feel overly long.
Like the first movie it presented women with power/powerful women pretty well. They just exist in the culture, no spot light is needed. There weren't any "girl power" moments in the movie I can remember. Just strong female leads.
It did well with dealing with portraying the grief both in life and in story of Chadwick/BP dying. The Cameo of Killmonger was a good choice to illustrate the pain and need for vengeance.
Overall I'd give it a solid 8 out 10.
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Post by merh on Nov 13, 2022 20:17:51 GMT
Just got back from seeing it Had to fuck around for an hour because all the earlier shows were sold out. I don't know what is particularly "woke" about the movie (I've seen/heard some people calling it woke). All and all it was a well balanced movie. It being a longer movie than normal, but it didn't feel overly long. Like the first movie it presented women with power/powerful women pretty well. They just exist in the culture, no spot light is needed. There weren't any "girl power" moments in the movie I can remember. Just strong female leads. It did well with dealing with portraying the grief both in life and in story of Chadwick/BP dying. The Cameo of Killmonger was a good choice to illustrate the pain and need for vengeance. Overall I'd give it a solid 8 out 10. It kinda felt rinse/repeat. I didn't see Shuri as so vengeance crazy in prior appearances. She is a scientist so why does Marvel have to go vengeance-crazy women all the time? So we need to repeat the anger seen in Civil War? When she seemed pretty close to T'Challa? Particularly when Namor was simply wanting what Wakanda had for centuries to stay hidden from the rest of the world. That first encounter of Namor with Ramonda was pretty hostile. She also betrayed him, using calling him as a trap for his people. It would have been nice if they could have remembered that Wakanda had the whole remain hidden ruse Talokan wants to continue. It's not like things went well when they returned to the surface to bury Namor's mother so he doesn't have a particularly good opinion of surface dwellers. There were several moments where he turned on the charm. I believe they are trying to play that side up of the character. I was surprised M'Baku displayed more intelligence in not wanting to fight Namor, understanding that his people seeing him as a God would not go well if the Wakandans killed him.
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Post by merh on Nov 13, 2022 20:20:34 GMT
I wasn't sure what to expect going in, but I really enjoyed this. It's a little strange that the villain's plan and motivation are basically identical to Killmonger's, but without the personal connection. It gives Namor a relatable plight, but it seems a tad repetitive. It's much more of a superhero drama than an action movie, and very female-oriented. Other than Namor, all of the central characters are women. It takes a long time to even notice it, and when you do you don't roll your eyes, because it doesn't hit you over the head with cringey 'girl power' moments. They just let the characters tell the story and it works wonderfully. Coogler doesn't seem a like a particularly gifted action director. A lot of the shots setting up the action were incredible, though. The music was great, the characters were engaging, and I thought they dealt with the loss of Boseman in both a classy and clever way. It reminded me of that old comic story featuring the death of Captain Mar-Vell from cancer. They only address it essentially after the fact in the film, but it's such a poignant theme. Everyone has lost someone to a terminal condition, and it's something you can't punch, laser blast or outthink. Sometimes loved ones die, and there's nothing you can do about it. I haven't read anything with Riri Williams, so I didn't have a strong connection to the character. Personalitywise I thought she was fun, but she's just Iron Man Jr, and Shuri Jr, for that matter. Did the story need her? Could've saved her for a Young Avengers type story. Nice to see Val again, looking forward to that character having a larger presence. Loved the Killmonger cameo, great way to bring back a fantastic character. It added an element of tension as the movie played out and you weren't sure which way Shuri was leaning. I did think the final appearance of Ramonda's spirit was unnecessary and took away from Shuri's arc. To me it works better if Shuri just has a few flashbacks and sees the light so to speak. To have Ramonda looking over her shoulder basically telling her to behave takes away Shuri's agency. It makes it look like she was just listening to her mother as opposed to making the honorable decision on her own. Ultimately, Namor accomplished what he set out to do from the beginning, forge an uneasy alliance with Wakanda in what he believes is an inevitable war with the surface world. I didn't think he was as charismatic or full of bravado as the character in the comics; more of a ruthless politician than anything else. It wasn't his movie, and he was the villain after all, but I hope they expand on his character going forward and make him a little more likable, hero or not. I'm still not sure why it was necessary to pivot away from Atlantis and rename the undersea culture. What I don't love about the spin they put on (whatever the culture was called), is that this is essentially the storyline of the Inhumans. An advanced civilization, hidden from the general population of the world. I don't know if we'll ever see the Inhumans now. What would their backstory be, and what separates them from Wakanda or (not)Atlantis? A minor nitpick, I didn't like Okoye getting a power suit. She doesn't need one. Yeah I get that she needed a boost because the Atlanteans are superhuman and she isn't, but the other characters didn't all get powersuits and they held their own. It begs the question that cynics always asked about the Avengers-- why doesn't Tony just make IM suits for everyone? The answer is because it would be boring. Each character should have their own powerset, aesthetic, fighting style etc, because it's more fun that way. Okoye is a great h2h fighter, it was kind of lame seeing her fly around in a two bit mech. Another thought I had tonight. While this movie certainly felt connected to the MCU, it still felt very self-contained. They've done a good job focusing on the characters' individual journeys here in phase four, like they did in the early days of the MCU. The big crossover events will come, and when they do, they'll be awesome. But let's invest in these characters on the ground floor and build our way up to the big stuff. Saw the Quantumania trailer on the big screen tonight, and the main event is definitely on its way. All in all, Wakanda Forever is an excellent MCU film, easily the class of Phase Four. (This is still phase four, right?) Excellent review! Do we see a lot of Not-Atlantis? Or is it just shown in the flashbacks? We don't see as much of Talokan as we should, but there wasn't much reason. I assume the cost was steep for the underwater stuff. We see some. It seems massive, but it leaves room to be explored in another feature.
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